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[KELAMA]

I get tired of pretending that the number of people insisting something is not true suddenly makes it true. It doesn't take a special effort to answer a question or objection. This isn't particle physics.

^ It appears that when you've allowed yourself to become passionately engaged into a discussion (some thread's you actually started), you don't seem to read & process what certain other member's are posting, objectively. I don't need to keep arguing my point, or debating with you to the point of ad nauseaum, on things at the end of the day, aren't really going to matter to me.

I tried to have a little fun in your other thread (my Tosh.O X-12 link), & even again today, to try & lighten things up. Both times, I was kidding around, just trying to interject some humor into these otherwise, uncomfortable, hyper sensitive/serious threads...

What I'd seriously like to know is: what the heck happened, to make an otherwise somewhat reserved, tenured 10 year member, with approximately 1,500 posts, to suddenly evolve into what we've seen recently? I mean something must've triggered this intense need to share your vast knowledge?! I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't really understand why now all of a sudden, all of this?

Sorry I can't see what your saying

I'm saying you fly on airplanes, take medications and use computers because what you call "stealing" is how the technology develops in civilization. You are picking an incredibly arbitrary line to say when it is wrong and when it is okay.

I'm saying stop quoting me I have you on my ignore list and tap talk doesn't acknowledge it .

^ Brilliant comedic set-up...& delivery! It's not often I burst out laughing out loud like this! :thumbup:


Edit: As a few member's have already done before me: I'm done here! :hopelessness:

 

[Wilsonhome]

And there is no "honoring" international patents. Patents are either in force, or not. You can apply and get a patent in any country.

That is a huge oversimplification and not entirely correct. You can apply anywhere. Being granted a patent in one country does not ensure granting in another country. Additionally, there are territories that do not actively enforce patents and essentially allow small technicalities to render the patent useless and many businesses choose not to bother patenting there.

I think you are just confusing legally allowed with ethically supportable.

 

[KingMC]

Where do they claim that? I've never seen a real Ganzo website.

ganzo knife . com

is their website, go forth and find no mention of the Axis being anything but a lock style that they use.

 

[RX-79G]

Seriously curious. Why is the axis lock patent only good in the U.S.? Did they fail to file in other territories? I file patents outside the U.S. all the time so not sure why they wouldn't do that as well. Did they just choose not to file in China or was it not granted (or not being enforced). I may have to spend some time looking this up.

Also, just because someone can't get a patent in a certain territory doesn't make an identical product produced there not a counterfeit or clone simply because it has legal standing in one country. It is still theft of innovation.

Dunno. Cost vs. target market? Maybe they filed other places, too.

"Theft of innovation" is how the free market works. You get your patent so you have your chance before anyone else. If you don't or can't, you just have to sell more hamburgers than the other guy by being better at it. CRK doesn't have a patent or any other kind of protection, and doesn't appear to need it because the original is the one people are willing to pay for.

 

[RX-79G]

ganzo knife . com

is their website, go forth and find no mention of the Axis being anything but a lock style that they use.

That's a company in New York with a local phone number. I think someone is "stealing" Ganzo's trademark.

 

[KingMC]

That's a company in New York with a local phone number. I think someone is "stealing" Ganzo's trademark.

There are 2 phone numbers posted, one in NY and one in China.

That entire website is nothing but Ganzo items, and every place you find information about the company it is written in first-person. You are quite delusional.

There's even a spot to 'become a dealer', with a form to fill out.

 

[silenthunterstudios]

Knives are insignificant, next to the power of the Force.

 

[RX-79G]

What I'd seriously like to know is: what the heck happened, to make an otherwise somewhat reserved, tenured 10 year member, with approximately 1,500 posts, to suddenly evolve into what we've seen recently? I mean something must've triggered this intense need to share your vast knowledge?! I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't really understand why all of a sudden, all of this?

I left you a visitor message.

 

[RX-79G]

There are 2 phone numbers posted, one in NY and one in China.

That entire website is nothing but Ganzo items, and every place you find information about the company it is written in first-person. You are quite delusional.

There's even a spot to 'become a dealer', with a form to fill out.

Do you feel it is polite to call me delusional?

It appears to be a US import company, with a US website. Ganzo and Sanrenmu are both known as companies without public websites, and a couple fake ones. I don't think it is "delusional" to ask to see a Chinese website for a Chinese manufacturer.


BTW, those guys in NY are clearly breaking the law.

 

[KingMC]

Do you feel it is polite to call me delusional?

I feel it is accurate, I think the way your acting has caused a lack of politeness.

 

[craytab]

Where do they claim that? I've never seen a real Ganzo website.

It is on their website. You are going to argue endlessly about this but not check out the website?

 

[killgar]

I remember when Benchmade used the round opening hole in their knives without Spyderco's permission. Spyderco had to take Benchmade to court to force them to stop.

Since Benchmade once STOLE the design of Spyderco, does that make Benchmade a dishonest company?

I suppose it could be argued that once a knife company STEALS the design of another knife company, that they should forever be condemned and that no one should ever support a company with a history of stealing someone elses design.

I for one intend to keep my Benchmade knives. Including my original AFCK's with the stolen round opening hole.

It's interesting how yesterdays villain can become today's victim.

I don't own a single Axis lock. But if I were going to buy one, I would only by one from Benchmade. But that's just my personal choice.

My evil dishonest Benchmade knives with the stolen round opening holes (early model AFCK's).

I feel so naughty

 

[Wilsonhome]

Dunno. Cost vs. target market? Maybe they filed other places, too.

"Theft of innovation" is how the free market works. You get your patent so you have your chance before anyone else. If you don't or can't, you just have to sell more hamburgers than the other guy by being better at it. CRK doesn't have a patent or any other kind of protection, and doesn't appear to need it because the original is the one people are willing to pay for.

Theft of innovation is not how the free market works. Allowing or supporting theft of innovation is generally destructive to a free market and, surprisingly enough, lowers truly novel innovation as well as quality of product. That is why governments create protections (or some do).

To your previous example, I am perfectly happy buying generic drugs here in the U.S. but would never buy a currently protected drug produced in a territory outside of patent law just because the territory wouldn't issue or enforce the patent.

I get that certain manufacturers don't have trademark or patent protection, but blatantly copying their designs down to the smallest detail is still counterfeiting, just legal counterfeiting. I don't support it.

 

[RX-79G]

I feel it is accurate, I think the way your acting has caused a lack of politeness.

I think you'll find that your politeness is what you're in charge of, not me.

If you feel that a NY site with a Shanghai phone number is the website for a company in based 1000 miles away from Shanghai, in Yangjiang, that's up to you. The US "branch" is in violation of both trademark and patent law as it is.

 

[craytab]

I remember when Benchmade used the round opening hole in their knives without Spyderco's permission. Spyderco had to take Benchmade to court to force them to stop.

Since Benchmade once STOLE the design of Spyderco, does that make Benchmade a dishonest company?

I suppose it could be argued that once a knife company STEALS the design of another knife company, that they should forever be condemned and that no one should ever support a company with a history of stealing someone elses design.

I for one intend to keep my Benchmade knives. Including my original AFCK's with the stolen round opening hole.

It's interesting how yesterdays villain can become today's victim.

I don't own a single Axis lock. But if I were going to buy one, I would only by one from Benchmade. But that's just my personal choice.

They still use the round hole. Being able to take the other party to court is what this is all about. Benchmade can't do that with ganzo. It is counterfeiting to use the mechanism and call it what the company it is stolen from calls it. Simple. Some people think it is okay. I don't get that part.

 

[KingMC]

It's not just the lock either, Ganzo takes the whole design from many different companies, just look through their catalog and tell us that any of that is ok.

 

[killgar]

They still use the round hole. Being able to take the other party to court is what this is all about. Benchmade can't do that with ganzo. It is counterfeiting to use the mechanism and call it what the company it is stolen from calls it. Simple. Some people think it is okay. I don't get that part.

They use it now with permission. But only because Spyderco forced them to pay for it.

If it's legal in China for China to copy the Axis lock in China, then perhaps those knives should stay in China (unrealistic I know). I think Benchmade has a legitimate gripe when those knives come into the US, where it would be a patent infringement to produce it, or at the very least, unfair competition (just my opinion, not offered as legal fact).

But that's life. There is the way we want/think things should be, and then there is the way things are. I don't lose sleep or get upset about any of this.

By the way, does Benchmade actually OWN the Axis lock, or do they just license it from the true owner? I thought someone else actually OWNS it.

 

[RX-79G]

They still use the round hole. Being able to take the other party to court is what this is all about. Benchmade can't do that with ganzo. It is counterfeiting to use the mechanism and call it what the company it is stolen from calls it. Simple. Some people think it is okay. I don't get that part.

I could understand if we were consistent with one thing or another, but we aren't. GD will have a thread complaining about Emerson enforcing his patent at the same time someone is getting pissed about an SRM knife that isn't even one of the "copies".

Why all the excitement about a $6 knife company while Microtech is cool? How about United Cutlery CS rip offs on One Stop Knife?

I get your outrage, but why are you so fickle about it?

 

[KingMC]

They use it now with permission. But only because Spyderco forced them to pay for it.

If it's legal in China for China to copy the Axis lock in China, then perhaps those knives should stay in China (unrealistic I know). I think Benchmade has a legitimate gripe when those knives come into the US, where it would be a patent infringement to produce it, or at the very least, unfair competition (just my opinion, not offered as legal fact).

But that's life. There is the way we want/think things should be, and then there is the way things are.

By the way, does Benchmade actually OWN the Axis lock, or do they just license it from the true owner? I thought someone else actually OWNS it.

A simple Google search turns up the patent, use it as you will

 

[craytab]

They use it now with permission. But only because Spyderco forced them to pay for it.

If it's legal for China to copy the Axis lock in China, then perhaps those knives should stay in China (unrealistic I know). I think Benchmade has a legitimate gripe when those knives come into the US, where it would be a patent infringement to produce it, or at the very least, unfair competition.

But that's life. There is the way we want/think things should be, and then there is the way things are.

By the way, does Benchmade actually OWN the Axis lock, or do they just license it from the true owner? I thought someone else actually OWNS it.

Mchenry & Williams owns it. I also don't think rx has his ducks in a row about when it expires. I got in a big argument with returning troll Boris about ganzo and the whole patent thing. I think they will have the patent for the foreseeable future, read good patent lawyers.