ZT 0452 lock up

jill jackson said:
I will if ZT tells me it's faulty and they will make it right. Otherwise why bother if they consider the lock within spec.
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And so they will determine if it is faulty without seeing it? Seems like if you are dissatisfied with it, fill out the warranty form and demand it be fixed. Or send it back to the dealer. These are all things I would have done before starting this thread. No information you find out here will help you with your problem.
 
I think the point is that even if ZT was going to offer a response its not going to be here. And I think some are pointing that we are now at a point where we are just running circles around each other. We have all stated our opinions on the subject and it seems to be pretty polarizing. So I dont see any potential for the advancement of the topic continuing like we have been.
 
My first ZT was an 801. Heavy cutting would cause the lock to move all the way over and stick badly. Then I got the 562CF and 620CF and neither of them does this. I haven't tried directly pressing on the lockbar to move it over. Seems like that would cause premature wear.
 
craytab said:
And so they will determine if it is faulty without seeing it? Seems like if you are dissatisfied with it, fill out the warranty form and demand it be fixed. Or send it back to the dealer. These are all things I would have done before starting this thread. No information you find out here will help you with your problem.
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I started this thread to try to get feedback. This is a knife discussion site, that's what we do here. I will decide what to do with the knife, within a few days. Is that okay with you?
 
PURPLEDC said:
I think the point is that even if ZT was going to offer a response its not going to be here. And I think some are pointing that we are now at a point where we are just running circles around each other. We have all stated our opinions on the subject and it seems to be pretty polarizing. So I dont see any potential for the advancement of the topic continuing like we have been.
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Exactly, it is time to do something about this problem rather than continually rehash it. I would not be happy with a knife that did this but I sure as heck would have returned it or sent it in before stirring the pot here.
 
jill jackson said:
I started this thread to try to get feedback. This is a knife discussion site, that's what we do here. I will decide what to do with the knife, within a few days. Is that okay with you?
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And that feedback is not going to solve your problem. The only thing that will is the one thing you haven't done and don't plan to "decide on" for several days. You wanted feedback, so no, it is not okay to me, do what you want (and clearly you have and will) but your problem will not be solved no matter how much the pot gets stirred here.
 
craytab said:
And that feedback is not going to solve your problem. The only thing that will is the one thing you haven't done and don't plan to "decide on" for several days. You wanted feedback, so no, it is not okay to me, do what you want (and clearly you have and will) but your problem will not be solved no matter how much the pot gets stirred here.
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Feedback won't solve Jill's problem but it could save her a month or two waiting for ZT to inspect the knife and if they find no problem, return it with a note that says "No problem". 1-2 months just to get a "No problem". By asking here, she can decide for her self if it seems to be problem worth waiting 1-2 months to really find out. If the consensus is that it's normal, she just saved her self waiting 1-2 months. It's a simple concept that Jill has expressed multiple times in this thread.
 
kniferbro said:
Feedback won't solve Jill's problem but it could save her a month or two waiting for ZT to inspect the knife and if they find no problem, return it with a note that says "No problem". 1-2 months just to get a "No problem". By asking here, she can decide for her self if it seems to be problem worth waiting 1-2 months to really find out. If the consensus is that it's normal, she just saved her self waiting 1-2 months. It's a simple concept that Jill has expressed multiple times in this thread.
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All that sounds fine and dandy but the only people who will decide if it is normal is, you guessed it....ZT! She can get all the feedback she wants here but unless ZT takes a look at it there will be no solution one way or the other. And I think they should fix it but there is a history of stirring the pot with ZT here. No need to continue. Send it in or don't. Let us know the results.
 
craytab said:
All that sounds fine and dandy but the only people who will decide if it is normal is, you guessed it....ZT! She can get all the feedback she wants here but unless ZT takes a look at it there will be no solution one way or the other. And I think they should fix it but there is a history of stirring the pot with ZT here. No need to continue. Send it in or don't. Let us know the results.
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True. The point I'm trying to clarify can be exemplified by a post I read here a few weeks ago. A new knife user had a PM2. Everything was fine and dandy until he noticed when opening the blade slowly it locked up with an extra click before the lock engaged. He was ready to send it into Spyderco to have them take a look. As it turns out, the extra click was just the blade sliding off the detent and contacting the lock bar right before lock up (a concept we seasoned knife nuts are very aware of). Thanks to the knowledge of the membership here on BF, the OP was saved a couple month wait for Spyderco to tell him the same thing BF users did in a matter of hours.
 
craytab said:
And so they will determine if it is faulty without seeing it? Seems like if you are dissatisfied with it, fill out the warranty form and demand it be fixed. Or send it back to the dealer. These are all things I would have done before starting this thread. No information you find out here will help you with your problem.
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You would never post a thread asking a legitimate question concerning whether your knife is fully functional before sending it in for warranty work?
 
The reason I started this thread, is because of hearing about other people having the same issue. I read threads in here all the time about issues with all sorts of brands. Of course some dye hard fanboys just can't stand that their brands are dicussed, in a less than glowing manner.
 
kniferbro said:
True. The point I'm trying to clarify can be exemplified by a post I read here a few weeks ago. A new knife user had a PM2. Everything was fine and dandy until he noticed when opening the blade slowly it locked up with an extra click before the lock engaged. He was ready to send it into Spyderco to have them take a look. As it turns out, the extra click was just the blade sliding off the detent and contacting the lock bar right before lock up (a concept we seasoned knife nuts are very aware of). Thanks to the knowledge of the membership here on BF, the OP was saved a couple month wait for Spyderco to tell him the same thing BF users did in a matter of hours.
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The problem is that was pretty cut and dry. This is a topic that some feel is fine, some feel its not. There is no definitive answer for her and its led to a back and forth tug of war. This solves nothing. At this point the only logical step is if it really bothers people contact the powers that be. I can sit and tell you all that its perfectly normal. And others will tell me im wrong and its defective and it will continue like that till the end of time. I have no problem with someone having a problem with that knife. But we also have to be mindful of when productive conversation has reached the end of its path and its time to do something else. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over looking for a different result each time. At this point the thread is heading that way.
 
kniferbro said:
True. The point I'm trying to clarify can be exemplified by a post I read here a few weeks ago. A new knife user had a PM2. Everything was fine and dandy until he noticed when opening the blade slowly it locked up with an extra click before the lock engaged. He was ready to send it into Spyderco to have them take a look. As it turns out, the extra click was just the blade sliding off the detent and contacting the lock bar right before lock up (a concept we seasoned knife nuts are very aware of). Thanks to the knowledge of the membership here on BF, the OP was saved a couple month wait for Spyderco to tell him the same thing BF users did in a matter of hours.
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And I think you can readily realize that example is completely different than this one. There is a long history of this sort of thing here. Go look it up, I won't get into it here. Jill is not some noob. Jill knows knives very well and she knows this knife is not acting as expected, and I agree. Send it in or send it back to the dealer. Hopefully this gets locked up until we get a result from ZT looking at Jill's knife.

MEJ said:
You would never post a thread asking a legitimate question concerning whether your knife is fully functional before sending it in for warranty work?
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Again, see the above. She knows it is not functioning the way she wants, and I agree. Asking a question and stirring the pot are different things though.
 
jill jackson said:
The reason I started this thread, is because of hearing about other people having the same issue. I read threads in here all the time about issues with all sorts of brands. Of course some dye hard fanboys just can't stand that their brands are dicussed, in a less than glowing manner.
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:rolleyes:
 
Nobody is stirring a pot about this, I wanted to find out how many others had this same issue, or not with this particular model. I found some that do, some that don't. The decision on whether I'll live with the lock up the way it is, give the knife away, send it back, or otherwise will be decided when Ive thought it over.
 
PURPLEDC said:
The problem is that was pretty cut and dry. This is a topic that some feel is fine, some feel its not. There is no definitive answer for her and its led to a back and forth tug of war. This solves nothing. At this point the only logical step is if it really bothers people contact the powers that be. I can sit and tell you all that its perfectly normal. And others will tell me im wrong and its defective and it will continue like that till the end of time. I have no problem with someone having a problem with that knife. But we also have to be mindful of when productive conversation has reached the end of its path and its time to do something else. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over looking for a different result each time. At this point the thread is heading that way.
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By that definition we're all crazy on Bladeforums :D. Repetition's inevitable in most discussions. The fact that we discourage conversation that wanders off on a tangent from the OP topic pretty much guarantees redundancy, the longer the thread goes on.

Yes, this discussion started swallowing its own tail a while back, but it's a ZT thread that's managed to go 150+ posts without getting closed. Hurray for progress.
 
I like ZT and own a number of them. I've gott an 0562cf on the way. I know some don't like to discuss anything negative that comes up with the brand. I don't see it that way myself. It's just a knife, things go wrong sometimes an entire model has major issues. Look at the 0780. It was pretty bad. ZT couldn't even fix mine they sent me a different model instead. There was a thread about the issue and it was solved, in so much as ZT cut the model, made it right and people moved on. Without the discussion threads people that owned that model would not have had the correct information needed.
 
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