5160 edge retention

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shinyedges said:
Further more , mileage in a vehicle is dependent on a variety of factors one of which is the driver or user if you will. Once a knife is properly heat treated it becomes user indiscriminate in that all of its attributes and qualities are in place.
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Once a tire is properly formulated and tested a mileage rating is given to them they will last that long according to you and "science". Even you just said my exact point. Dependent on a variety of factors the properly heat treated knife will not be indiscriminate and work exactly the same for everyone, otherwise the car would get the exact mileage the sticker said every single fill up. It's where the term YMMV comes from. I see it said on these pages often and it applies equally across anything you do in your life. If you throw your Xbox controller across the room when you are done with it so it can bounce off the wall and into a basket your controller will not last as long as one gently set into its charger. A fancy smart phone will not survive many full force drops on concrete but will last years never dropped. It applies to everything in your life (variables). Knives are not exempt from user variables. That point was brought up in your last 5160 is junk escapade. There might be a reason more blades are made in 5160 than 3V, 10V, S7, and whatever else steel you can think of combined. Pay attention to them reasons.

It's fun to discuss extreme small reasons why steel X is better than steel y but in the end both will dull and both will need to be sharpened. From what I see most here buy so many knives they wouldn't have even a 440C blade long enough for it to need to be sharpened. Keep the same exact user for years, up to a decade before it wears out and you see things much more different.

Bodog, trust me, all is calm. I'm just saying if you choose everything based on science you aren't using much of anything.

Anyone else remember them 100,000 mile tires Goodyear had in the 70s? They lasted alright but forget about any traction or stopping power. They were as hard as hockey pucks. Maybe someday everyone will look back on these high wear resistant steels the same way in a few decades. Kept an edge forever but were poor at everything else. Not everyone only cuts cardboard in the back room for fun. Some people have other purposes for knives. Might be why you see more 5160 than the steel of the week, which is a part of the core theme here.

My opinion is I find it hard to believe so many of you have the same exact variables to come to the same conclusion. It's always the same group too. Must be the use google and watch YouTube generation thing to come to a conclusion if they are all exactly the same.
 
I'm not trying to be a smarty pants here but I would really like to know where you get the idea that there are more blades made from 5160 than all the others combined. Honestly, please provide a link or some other proof of this claim.
 
Sigh, where to begin.. lol for starters more blades are made in 5160 than 3v because of cost and availability. 5160 has been around longer, and easier to work with for manufacturers making blades more affordable NOT because 5160 out performs 3v.

I never said 5160 is junk... you can't provide a single citation of me saying its junk. Ive only tried to inform you how it compares to other steels. I'm through with it though.

Everyone is telling you your logic is flawed and your assumptions of modern steels is incorrect. Yet you rather come up with silly ideas that we all watch YouTube videos and google and that's how we come up with our opinions.

How many steels do you have hands on experience using and comparing in a wide variety of tasks? Please name them ALL...

Maybe you are Boris... he thought just like you he was the only guy in the world who used knives lol what a joke.

Duane Sanders said:
Once a tire is properly formulated and tested a mileage rating is given to them they will last that long according to you and "science". Even you just said my exact point. Dependent on a variety of factors the properly heat treated knife will not be indiscriminate and work exactly the same for everyone, otherwise the car would get the exact mileage the sticker said every single fill up. It's where the term YMMV comes from. I see it said on these pages often and it applies equally across anything you do in your life. If you throw your Xbox controller across the room when you are done with it so it can bounce off the wall and into a basket your controller will not last as long as one gently set into its charger. A fancy smart phone will not survive many full force drops on concrete but will last years never dropped. It applies to everything in your life (variables). Knives are not exempt from user variables. That point was brought up in your last 5160 is junk escapade. There might be a reason more blades are made in 5160 than 3V, 10V, S7, and whatever else steel you can think of combined. Pay attention to them reasons.

It's fun to discuss extreme small reasons why steel X is better than steel y but in the end both will dull and both will need to be sharpened. From what I see most here buy so many knives they wouldn't have even a 440C blade long enough for it to need to be sharpened. Keep the same exact user for years, up to a decade before it wears out and you see things much more different.

Bodog, trust me, all is calm. I'm just saying if you choose everything based on science you aren't using much of anything.

Anyone else remember them 100,000 mile tires Goodyear had in the 70s? They lasted alright but forget about any traction or stopping power. They were as hard as hockey pucks. Maybe someday everyone will look back on these high wear resistant steels the same way in a few decades. Kept an edge forever but were poor at everything else. Not everyone only cuts cardboard in the back room for fun. Some people have other purposes for knives. Might be why you see more 5160 than the steel of the week, which is a part of the core theme here.

My opinion is I find it hard to believe so many of you have the same exact variables to come to the same conclusion. It's always the same group too. Must be the use google and watch YouTube generation thing to come to a conclusion if they are all exactly the same.
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I just looked at this guys profile. He's been here about 6 weeks, has 136 posts, & he's a self-professed knife expert. LOL You've got a lot to learn Mr. Sanders (no relation). Now, I think I'll call Aldo Monday and ask why he sells more 5160 than all the other steels combined. BAHAHAHAHA
 
He wont cite any proof, because there is none.

He believes buck uses 5160 because its the best steel out there, because buck can afford to use any steel.

He is a die hard buck fan and refutes any and all information contrary to his beliefs.

Darrin Sanders said:
I'm not trying to be a smarty pants here but I would really like to know where you get the idea that there are more blades made from 5160 than all the others combined. Honestly, please provide a link or some other proof of this claim.
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Darrin Sanders said:
I'm not trying to be a smarty pants here but I would really like to know where you get the idea that there are more blades made from 5160 than all the others combined. Honestly, please provide a link or some other proof of this claim.
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Well, there's also the minor point that, even if true, it's almost certainly because 5160 is exceptionally easy to get not because it's superior. Buy the springs off a junked Mercedes box truck and you have a great big hunk of 5160 ready to go.

And, even with that in mind, the more equals better thing falls into the logical fallacy known as the argument from popularity.
 
Careful hell think you got all your information and opinions from YouTube and google if you disagree with him. LOL
Darrin Sanders said:
I just looked at this guys profile. He's been here about 6 weeks, has 136 posts, & he's a self-professed knife expert. LOL You've got a lot to learn Mr. Sanders (no relation). Now, I think I'll call Aldo Monday and ask why he sells more 5160 than all the other steels combined. BAHAHAHAHA
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Exactly, availability doesn't equate to higher performance. This mans logic is skewed to put it nicely.
Insipid Moniker said:
Well, there's also the minor point that, even if true, it's almost certainly because 5160 is exceptionally easy to get not because it's superior. Buy the springs off a junked Mercedes box truck and you have a great big hunk of 5160 ready to go.

And, even with that in mind, the more equals better thing falls into the logical fallacy known as the argument from popularity.
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I can afford to use any steel I want too but I haven't made a knife in 5160 in years. LOL
 
That is funny^ LOL

Duane are you reading this? Darrin is a respected knife maker here dropping first hand knowledge that coincides with what I and others have been trying to tell you.

If you think this is a crazy conspiracy to push the anti 5160 agenda on you, good sir you need help.
 
shinyedges said:
Duane will be here shortly to inform you on 5160. Good day sir.
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Then don't ask next time.

You can't plant sunflower seeds and expect corn to grow. Now that's science. In case you aren't old enough to understand that. You reap what you sow

To answer the OP. The steel will hold a great edge with the Bos heat treat and the blade will outlast the out dated overall knife construction by a long shot.

You guys are almost as bad as this splinter I have in my left thumb I can't get out. Have to remember to wear gloves more often. Guess I will have to wait for it to get infected and pop it out.
 
Duane Sanders said:
Then don't ask next time.

You can't plant sunflower seeds and expect corn to grow. Now that's science. In case you aren't old enough to understand that. You reap what you sow

To answer the OP. The steel will hold a great edge with the Bos heat treat and the blade will outlast the out dated overall knife construction by a long shot.

You guys are almost as bad as this splinter I have in my left thumb I can't get out. Have to remember to wear gloves more often. Guess I will have to wait for it to get infected and pop it out.
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A warm compress made from a cotton ball soaked in epsom salts can help draw a splinter out.
 
You showed up and did EXACTLY what I thought you would. I didn't ask anything lol I was forecasting the future, miss Cleo style "call me and I tell ya your fortune man"
Duane Sanders said:
Then don't ask next time.

You can't plant sunflower seeds and expect corn to grow. Now that's science. In case you aren't old enough to understand that. You reap what you sow

To answer the OP. The steel will hold a great edge with the Bos heat treat and the blade will outlast the out dated overall knife construction by a long shot.

You guys are almost as bad as this splinter I have in my left thumb I can't get out. Have to remember to wear gloves more often. Guess I will have to wait for it to get infected and pop it out.
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LOL miss Cleo was a fortune teller I used to hear commercials for on t.v until she got arrested and sent to prison for fraud haha she was a Jamaican lady who used to say "call me Na , for you free reading" LOL

Apparently after the initial reading she would charge people and was a complete faker. Big surprise.

Darrin Sanders said:
PM me your number, inquiring minds wanna know. LOL
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Oh yeah, I remember Ms. Cleo very well. I couldn't then and still can't believe that people actually send these people $$$.
 
Me either, but I just did a quick search and it turns out she's born in California and both her parents were US citizens.

Turns out she wasn't even Jamaican :rolleyes: Lol

It defies logic why people bought into that crap.
Darrin Sanders said:
Oh yeah, I remember Ms. Cleo very well. I couldn't then and still can't believe that people actually send these people $$$.
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Insipid Moniker said:
Actually, what you're doing when comparing the lifespan of the tires with different people driving is rudimentary science. You have an average estimate of how long the tires should last and you have a variable in the driving habits of the two people in question. We can draw a fairly certain conclusion that your wife brakes and accelerates much more aggressively than you do because we know those things can have a profound effect on the life of tires. There are still too many variables to be totally certain about our conclusion, but given time and money we could isolate those and figure out exactly which habits are hardest on the tires and which ones extend their life the most. We could even figure out the standard deviation of how much longer your tires lasted with a big enough sample size.

We can apply the same approach to knives and steels. Mr. Sanders mentioned a 5160 blade would last him 4-5 days before touching up. On a fairly regular work day I pretty much promise I would kill the edge on it by the end of the day. That's a situation that's actually analogous to what you described.
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I already know all that in the first paragraph. What the core group does not understand the same variables apply to their precious super(ior) steels. I make the observation they haven't used them enough to notice they should have a very different conclusion from someone else in the core. There's no way they all draw the same conclusion from different and varied uses. So they say the science applies equally to everyone with their choice this week while only the lowly 5160 experiences variables causing a different out come. They aren't smart enough to convince me this weeks steel will perform any or much better than what I use. They are just shilling one another's posts. Good old boys patting each other on the back. It fills that feel good void in their life. I go for hikes and go hunting for that fulfillment.

I've seen them steels that hold an edge forever under hard work. They sure don't dull but the pay off isn't worth it because you can never gain wear resistance without giving up toughness. You don't get tough without giving up some edge retaining wear resistance. The tougher steels like 5160 and at least Bucks 420HC will still have an edge at the end of the day you can fix for tomorrow instead of a still pretty sharp damaged one.

There is no I have a steel that's toughest and holds the best edge ever knife out there. You will give up one for the other.

The core here got mad in the other thread when I made it very clear I choose tough still has an edge to sharpen over still sharp damaged edges. 5160 can be brought back to a very smooth extremely tough edge fast with no damage to it. Wear resistant steels will never do that. I'm not talking about science either.

I will take a wild guess the core might be in a situation some day where they work hard and use a knife all day long. The pendulum will swing real quick to the tougher side after they make some observations. Being too tired to fix damaged edges after a hard days work will be the prime motivator.

All of these "custom" knives everyone seems to think are so prolific for knife users. Last time I seen a custom in the woods was a Loveless before the price was jacked up. If all these production knives were as poor as the core says they are then people who use knives would quickly abandon them. Their science can prove that one too.
 
shinyedges said:
That is funny^ LOL

Duane are you reading this? Darrin is a respected knife maker here dropping first hand knowledge that coincides with what I and others have been trying to tell you.

If you think this is a crazy conspiracy to push the anti 5160 agenda on you, good sir you need help.
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It didn't work when Daniel Winkler, another respected maker, chimed in during a Boris debacle regarding 80CrV2.

Something tells me that any info, regardless of how reputable the source, may be falling deaf on "Duane's" ears.
 
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