TicTok, you are sure having a hard time admitting that the Strider guys could be nice enough to give away knives, rather than throwing them in the trash aren't you. It seems to me that you would like this to continue. That is why you posted your last post like you did. You want that knife to have come directly from the factory and it was screwed up, then that would really make you a happy camper, and you could sit back with a sheepish smile and say,"See, I told you so". But you don't have a vendetta?? :thumbdn:
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Firecap said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry B.
No a balonga smoker like you would go right for the meat.
Hey Cougar, why didn't this get him banned? Just curious!! Talk about personal insults!
Hmm, maybe I missed one -- let's look at that in context ...
Larry B. said:
Yup, I missed one. Add wildcard313 to the plank log.
Naturally we would prefer that everybody be perfect and not even respond to personal attacks in kind, but in a dialogue like that it's clear who's walking the plank.
I've probably missed more than one; I'd better go over the whole thread again. If anybody has sense enough to apologize and/or edit their posts before I find them, all to the good.
Mick Strider only had a momentary lapse and when he came to his senses he was man enough to apologize for it. Since then some people (who probably consider themselves his followers) have been behaving a lot worse than he did....
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Threads on G,B,U about Strider must hold the record for the most posts in the shortest time.
Firecap, it could very well be the same thing I saw in university lab settings with biologists. They graduate with a BS, then when going for their masters or PhDs, they look at current research and try to rip it to shreds. Maybe it's a play on the famous quote "if I have seen further than the rest, it's because I'm standing on the shoulders of giants."
a knifemaker on this thread is complaining not only about the fact that a giveaway knife left the shop in sub-par condition relative to other blades meant for public consumption, but he is commenting on the other maker's comments as well. It would seem that he is also trying to use his purchased title to both give weight to the aforementioned complaints, but also wrap himself in the banner of knifemakers as a whole.
Why then, do a very solid number of very talented knifemakers, many of whom have contracts with large companies (some of which were mentioned on this thread!) choose not only to associate themselves with Mick, but to call him a good friend? I'm not even going to embarass them or myself by naming them, but suffice to say if you know the industry, you know the makers.
That said, I have seen one example of a blade made by the maker I spoke of and I think he fully deserves the title and I think he makes great blades. I do find it unfortunate... and perhaps ironic... that he has chosen this venue to criticize Mick and make himself look bad to potential customers in the process by continuing to chastize a top dog, much like the fresh-out-of-college scientist... all from the point of "hey, I'm a knifemaker and guys like THAT give knifemakers a BAD name."
I could be lame and say "gee, that guy is a real piece of work and I'm never going to buy his knives because of his attitude" but I think that's plain silly. He can make good blades to be sure, and if I were a collector I'd seriously consider them in the future.
and that, folks, is my final disgression here. Any other semblance of beef that I have, I will try to take to PMs ( added: if that function is active for non paying members like me).
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a knifemaker on this thread is complaining not only about the fact that a giveaway knife left the shop in sub-par condition relative to other blades meant for public consumption, but he is commenting on the other maker's comments as well. It would seem that he is also trying to use his purchased title to both give weight to the aforementioned complaints, but also wrap himself in the banner of knifemakers as a whole.
Why then, do a very solid number of very talented knifemakers, many of whom have contracts with large companies (some of which were mentioned on this thread!) choose not only to associate themselves with Mick, but to call him a good friend? I'm not even going to embarass them or myself by naming them, but suffice to say if you know the industry, you know the makers.
That said, I have seen one example of a blade made by the maker I spoke of and I think he fully deserves the title and I think he makes great blades. I do find it unfortunate... and perhaps ironic... that he has chosen this venue to criticize Mick and make himself look bad to potential customers in the process by continuing to chastize a top dog, much like the fresh-out-of-college scientist... all from the point of "hey, I'm a knifemaker and guys like THAT give knifemakers a BAD name."
I could be lame and say "gee, that guy is a real piece of work and I'm never going to buy his knives because of his attitude" but I think that's plain silly. He can make good blades to be sure, and if I were a collector I'd seriously consider them in the future.
and that, folks, is my final disgression here. Any other semblance of beef that I have, I will try to take to PMs ( added: if that function is active for non paying members like me).
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Firecap said:
I fully admit they are nice enough to give away knives, but wont blindly follow their claim that this one was one of those knives when its simply the word of a manufacturer whose knives are pictured with flaws pretty clearly, and dont seem to be very professional to begin with, based on what ive seen here and elsewhere. The only thing we have to go on are the photographs of obvious defects and the blind assumptions of strider fans who cannot imagine their purchase-justified company of choice might have thrown this knife out to the public. If ever defect was responded to in this way, every maker would have only sold perfect knives. They rest would have been "oh that one i gave away that just popped up."
The only vendetta I have is the makers response, then his 1/30th of an apology. Perhaps I should let him dig his own grave on that one, and thats my fault in that case.
Its a mirror situation. Of course it appears I have a vendetta when i question the claim its a BRO knife, but what is YOUR agenda for blindy accepting that as an explaination, when we clearly have others here posting they they bought knives new, direct, and had to send them back?
I am not saying there are not flawed knives that slip through the crack. But I do know that 99.9% of the time, the Strider guys will make it right. I accept the fact of the "bro" knife because I have seen many of them, and the majority of the guys that have them love them. But I know I can't convince you, so I will quit trying.TikTock said:
One more thing TicTok, the knife in question is a M. Strider Custom. About the only place these sell are at knife shows, or through dealer and there is no way in hell that the said knive would have made it to a knife show, and a dealer would not have accepted it in that condition.That is why it was given away. Mick would not let a knife like that show up and a knife show or at a dealer. He has too much pride in his work for that to happen.
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krept said:
To clarify, I dont think I ever questioned Mick's ability to make knives. Hopefully, and ill have to check, all my comments have been about his professionalism and about this specifc situation, or ones like it. Im sure lots of people respect Mick, and consider him a friend. However, Ive never met him. The only exposure ive had with him is when he came on here and told someone to lick his sack. And yes, he kinda sorta said sorry for it. If it makes me look bad as a maker for chastising a "top dog" about his own behavior that everyone has seen, so be it. i dont think that just because he's struggled to the rank of a top dog, i owe him any kind of...well...anything, in a situation like this.
I have the knifemaker titles simply because it allows me to sell in the maker's forum. I hope my comments about being a maker werent intended to somehow make my points more valid, i simply qualified them to give context to my opinion, which may be castly different from someone who does not deal with similar (albeit on a much smaller level) issues of fit, finish, customer expectations, seconds, etc.
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Firecap said:
Good point. Something makers should keep in mind since buyers might not be privvy to the extended history of a maker's giveaway habits in the event one does end up on the common market. A number of makers would pay top dollar for the "seconds" they gave away at the beginning, to avoid situations like this altogether. It surely will make me think twice about putting my name on any giveaways!
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I'm pretty sure that his thread IS the record...(Dang, by all the responses posted, one would think that someone had 'dissed the CRK Sebenza.cutty said:
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.Cougar, I am in no way trying to get myself banned, I think you are a great Moderator, but I think that if larry b had been a Striderite instead of a Platinum Member, he would have been banned, no matter what the context of the remark.Cougar Allen said:
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DaveH said:
Dave, It is become commonplace to be banned for what is said on other forums......
Nothings changes with forums, just their name...
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Well you are welcome to think whatever you want, that doesn't make it any more valid. We've got a solid track record of being tolerant to the extreme and using bannings only as a last resort, after several warnings. If you want to challenge that, by all means, you'll need to provide something better than "he's a platinum member!" especially since more than a few paying members have been banned in the past.Firecap said:
I'm sure you mean that it's become commonplace to be banned on other forums for what is said here, since I can't think of a single banning that's been done here for what was said elsewhere.wolfmann601 said:
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I have come to the conclusion that I need to get my priorities straight! I wasted my lunch break reading this drivel.
The original poster should have went to the store he bought the knife from first, and then Strider, and then he could have still posted about the knife, it's a free country, and this forum is open to all as long as you play by Sparks rules. Mick was wrong in his first two posts, was very rude to potential customers etc. Later he gave a weak explanation for his posts. I really like the design and talk behind Strider knives, but those posts by Mick were uncalled for. Defending your product is one thing, but badmouthing people is uncalled for when they have a problem with your defective product. I believe that that knife is not indicative of all Striders knives, and that is an exception to the rule, but those replies were just uncalled for.
The original poster should have went to the store he bought the knife from first, and then Strider, and then he could have still posted about the knife, it's a free country, and this forum is open to all as long as you play by Sparks rules. Mick was wrong in his first two posts, was very rude to potential customers etc. Later he gave a weak explanation for his posts. I really like the design and talk behind Strider knives, but those posts by Mick were uncalled for. Defending your product is one thing, but badmouthing people is uncalled for when they have a problem with your defective product. I believe that that knife is not indicative of all Striders knives, and that is an exception to the rule, but those replies were just uncalled for.
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We have banned platinum members, and knifemaker members, etc. The monthly Plank Log is in the Service & Support forum -- the thread for the current month is a sticky; previous months are not stuck to the top of the thread list but they're still there in the forum and can be found with a search.
The whole idea of "sides" is pretty ridiculous here -- we're talking about a knife, people, not about patriotism.... But it seems some people from other forums THINK they're taking Mick Strider's side and helping him out by making personal attacks on everybody who's ever seen a Strider knife they considered less than perfect.
We're making every effort to avoid banning anybody. I keep telling people if they come to their senses and apologize and/or edit their personal attacks that would be a good thing ... I'm giving people time to think twice about what they've posted in the heat of discussion ...
And, of course, there are many people who've come here from other forums to take part in this discussion who have not been banned and won't be. Even if they think they're on somebody's "side" and they think they're in some kind of fight, if they can follow the rules they're welcome here.
The whole idea of "sides" is pretty ridiculous here -- we're talking about a knife, people, not about patriotism.... But it seems some people from other forums THINK they're taking Mick Strider's side and helping him out by making personal attacks on everybody who's ever seen a Strider knife they considered less than perfect.
We're making every effort to avoid banning anybody. I keep telling people if they come to their senses and apologize and/or edit their personal attacks that would be a good thing ... I'm giving people time to think twice about what they've posted in the heat of discussion ...
And, of course, there are many people who've come here from other forums to take part in this discussion who have not been banned and won't be. Even if they think they're on somebody's "side" and they think they're in some kind of fight, if they can follow the rules they're welcome here.
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