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3Guardsmen said:
Okay, I can see your point and in that context you are correct and I apologize if it was viewed as "stirring things up". It's not my intent to "trash talk" the OP, but rather point out his lack of participation. I've always believed in accountability.... you finish what you start. You don't throw a molitov cocktail somewhere and then bail. That is a huge problem with the internet today IMO. There is little to no accountability for ones actions. When you are messing with someones name or business, I think that is wrong.
As for the forums I admin or moderate, (and there is more than one), I don't think that should exclude me from participating in other forums? Appearances of agenda aside, I have spoken up when I see anyone getting a bad rap unfairly... have done it regarding even people I don't particularly agree with or care for. But that's just me.
dekdek... it's all good, I was just curious what you do.... seems to me you are involved in the business to some extent. As for me, my profile is filled out in several places. Email addy is available too.
Thanks for the comments 3Guardsmen. Sincerely. Gave me a different take on my post from what I had intended. Hope I maybe clarified just a little.
Take care,
m1
Just a little side note:
About 4 yrs. ago I had made up a custom knife for $800 from a very well known maker who name I will never reveal. Anyway when I received the knife I was disappointed in it to say the least. I was so PO that I just put the knife in the drawer and forgot about it. Two yrs. passed and I was checking out the knife makers website and was extremely impressed with his knives. I started to think about my knife and immediately got upset. I sent the maker an e-mail to which he replied the same day. We spoke on the phone and he said why I never contacted him, which I had no answer for. He than went on to say he doesn't make that model anymore and if it was OK with me he would make me a new knife from his top of the line. I accepted his offer and after a few months the knife arrived and was awesome. I will never forget how gentlemanly he handled the situation. I wish other people could know of whom I speak, but I don't think it is correct to reveal his name. He is a credit to the knife industry for sure.
About 4 yrs. ago I had made up a custom knife for $800 from a very well known maker who name I will never reveal. Anyway when I received the knife I was disappointed in it to say the least. I was so PO that I just put the knife in the drawer and forgot about it. Two yrs. passed and I was checking out the knife makers website and was extremely impressed with his knives. I started to think about my knife and immediately got upset. I sent the maker an e-mail to which he replied the same day. We spoke on the phone and he said why I never contacted him, which I had no answer for. He than went on to say he doesn't make that model anymore and if it was OK with me he would make me a new knife from his top of the line. I accepted his offer and after a few months the knife arrived and was awesome. I will never forget how gentlemanly he handled the situation. I wish other people could know of whom I speak, but I don't think it is correct to reveal his name. He is a credit to the knife industry for sure.
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BustaCaps said:
What a mature and adult response
Hmmm...
After reading the tripe in this thread, please remove me as a member of Bladeforums. This place has become noob heaven (no offense to you old timers that still have a semblance of common sense).
Sincerely,
Chris Raymond
After reading the tripe in this thread, please remove me as a member of Bladeforums. This place has become noob heaven (no offense to you old timers that still have a semblance of common sense).
Sincerely,
Chris Raymond
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CPR said:
Edit. Why waste the breath.
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CPR said:
I can understand objections to many things that have occured in this thread. Really, I can.
However, quitting a forum just because there are too many newbies is just snobbish.
Post count is no measure of a person. Every knife lover has to find the forum sometime. Some later than others.
Newbies are welcome* here. :thumbup:
(*They should PLAY NICE, as everyone should, but they're welcome here.)
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Michelle said:
"There is little to no accountability for ones actions. When you are messing with someones name or business, I think that is wrong."
You have got to be joking right. You wont get much sympathy from me after your boss/buddy whatever says the kind of things he says on here when he had the chance to come across as a nice guy like everyone on the spin team is potraying him as. Are you suggestiong one should have their post ran by a lawyer before posting or blade forums should be held liable because people were complaining about knives? If you think I cant get loud and cuss up a storm you would be wrong about that! If you read through the post youll know dekdek is the name of my dog and dekdek is not allowed in public off the leash.
Michelle, you are, to use your own words, involved in the business, right?
Mr. DekDek seems to have hit it on the head here - why is it so many of Mr. Strider's buddies, lots of whom seem to have joined BFC with the last go-round here. It appears not many of them spend a lot of time getting to know the waters, but they do jump in Ass-uming they had anything positive to contribute. Thankfully, we have had the obligatory posting of their favorite knives. That's always my favorite part of these discussions, the posting of the knives which at least in this case has maybe something to do with the conversation at hand.
The poor guy who brought what were some valid questions here, maybe framed appropriately, maybe not, he got yelled at by Mr. Strider for asking a few very relevant questions. However, since Mick has come in and settled the matter to the extent that the initial comment required, what compels the rest of you to join in?
Maybe the guy is new to knives, maybe he's new here, but it is considered rude to walk into another guy's house and piss on the rug. Rude, not hardcore or any of that other overhyped marketing material. Post count may not be the issue, but it seems to be an issue......
I will not address the matter of Brandon, for example, since Brandon appears to have the mentality and maturity of a twelve-year-old, but since you want to ask questions about who's in the business, really, what's your stake in this?
Personally, I'm proud of Mick for his "bro knife program." Strider Knives are not my favorite blades, I have tried a few out and am still maybe interested in trying out a properly dehorned SNG or SMF for a while, but it's a very decent gesture and a sincere one at that for Mick to give what are in all likelihood very capable blades to guys that just cannot afford them.
If he is interested, I have a good friend who is currently in Iraq training the locals in security and policing work, CT stuff, etc and the younger guys in his platoon are usually strapped. I sent my buddy a large box full of edges ranging from a few Entreks and Dawsons to CRKT Companions and Schrade Sharpfingers, but there are always more guys than I have good giveaways. If Mick is interested, I would be happy to put him in direct contact with my friend.
You may email me about this if you like.
Mr. DekDek seems to have hit it on the head here - why is it so many of Mr. Strider's buddies, lots of whom seem to have joined BFC with the last go-round here. It appears not many of them spend a lot of time getting to know the waters, but they do jump in Ass-uming they had anything positive to contribute. Thankfully, we have had the obligatory posting of their favorite knives. That's always my favorite part of these discussions, the posting of the knives which at least in this case has maybe something to do with the conversation at hand.
The poor guy who brought what were some valid questions here, maybe framed appropriately, maybe not, he got yelled at by Mr. Strider for asking a few very relevant questions. However, since Mick has come in and settled the matter to the extent that the initial comment required, what compels the rest of you to join in?
Maybe the guy is new to knives, maybe he's new here, but it is considered rude to walk into another guy's house and piss on the rug. Rude, not hardcore or any of that other overhyped marketing material. Post count may not be the issue, but it seems to be an issue......
I will not address the matter of Brandon, for example, since Brandon appears to have the mentality and maturity of a twelve-year-old, but since you want to ask questions about who's in the business, really, what's your stake in this?
Personally, I'm proud of Mick for his "bro knife program." Strider Knives are not my favorite blades, I have tried a few out and am still maybe interested in trying out a properly dehorned SNG or SMF for a while, but it's a very decent gesture and a sincere one at that for Mick to give what are in all likelihood very capable blades to guys that just cannot afford them.
If he is interested, I have a good friend who is currently in Iraq training the locals in security and policing work, CT stuff, etc and the younger guys in his platoon are usually strapped. I sent my buddy a large box full of edges ranging from a few Entreks and Dawsons to CRKT Companions and Schrade Sharpfingers, but there are always more guys than I have good giveaways. If Mick is interested, I would be happy to put him in direct contact with my friend.
You may email me about this if you like.
dekdek said:
I don't recall asking for it Sir. Thanks all the same for stating where you come from.
Whoa! That's way out from left field there. Who said anything about lawyers or liability? Personal accountability is what I was talking about. To come in and say "I think I've got a screwed up knife what to you all think" is one thing. To come in and make a blanket statement that a company's "quality is going downhill" is quite another. Then to not even bother to remedy the situation, or participate in the thread you started is a bit irresponsible. I'm not talking lawyers or legal actions or any other nonsense... Don't get all hysterical.
Okay. What? Just..... what are you talking about here?
I uh....... wow. Okay. Just.... wow. I didn't say anything about your name.... Not sure what the above is all about?
Parker, I can't and wont try to explain why anyone else does what they do because I can only speak for myself. I could guess, but even that is not my right. You will want to ask those parties directly. I think that's fair.
Again, as for what compels "me" to join is to try to put some clarity on a situation where someone is only seeing "injustice" on one side. I think it sucks to see people sucker-punched....ANYONE sucker-punched. It's one thing to say you aren't happy with a knife. It's another to say a company has gone down hill based on one knife, without even trying to remedy the situation. I guess I am the only one that sees the difference in those two actions? Okay. I can live with that. The horse is way flogged tho at this point. I guess I joined in for the same reasons you just have. Yes?
To try to interject some fairness into an unfair situation and to ask a couple of questions.Parker said:
Does one have to have a "stake" in something to try to voice what they feel is right (or wrong?). I would think you of all people would know the answer to that is "no". Sometimes you speak up and you try to help point out injustices, inaccuracies, and incongruencies, simply because it is the right thing to do, not because you have any personal gain attached to it. I don't have a "stake" in it from any business or monetary point of view if that's what you're asking.
Now THAT is cool beans that you are doing that. I'll shoot you an email tonight.
m1
Michelle said:I don't recall asking for it Sir. Thanks all the same for stating where you come from.
Whoa! That's way out from left field there. Who said anything about lawyers or liability? Personal accountability is what I was talking about. To come in and say "I think I've got a screwed up knife what to you all think" is one thing. To come in and make a blanket statement that a company's "quality is going downhill" is quite another. Then to not even bother to remedy the situation, or participate in the thread you started is a bit irresponsible. I'm not talking lawyers or legal actions or any other nonsense... Don't get all hysterical.
Okay. What? Just..... what are you talking about here?
I uh....... wow. Okay. Just.... wow. I didn't say anything about your name.... Not sure what the above is all about?
Parker, I can't and wont try to explain why anyone else does what they do because I can only speak for myself. I could guess, but even that is not my right. You will want to ask those parties directly. I think that's fair.
Again, as for what compels "me" to join is to try to put some clarity on a situation where someone is only seeing "injustice" on one side. I think it sucks to see people sucker-punched....ANYONE sucker-punched. It's one thing to say you aren't happy with a knife. It's another to say a company has gone down hill based on one knife, without even trying to remedy the situation. I guess I am the only one that sees the difference in those two actions? Okay. I can live with that. The horse is way flogged tho at this point. I guess I joined in for the same reasons you just have. Yes?
Does one have to have a "stake" in something to try to voice what they feel is right (or wrong?). I would think you of all people would know the answer to that is "no". Sometimes you speak up and you try to help point out injustices, inaccuracies, and incongruencies, simply because it is the right thing to do, not because you have any personal gain attached to it. I don't have a "stake" in it from any business or monetary point of view if that's what you're asking.
Now THAT is cool beans that you are doing that. I'll shoot you an email tonight.
m1
For the record all my comments were directed at 2 knives and and both were folders and all comments were only about the locks and my feelings about bad knives getting past qaulity control. I even went as far as to say I looked at some fixed blades and they looked fine. I even stated in a later post the knives in question might be counterfit knives and yes its easy to make copys here, " Thailand " This week they raided a manufacturing plant making BMW parts that were being shipped all over the world and had millions of dollars of high qaulity fake parts. Ive got a whole droor full of fake knives with big brands on them and yes I know the difference but how can a typical customer with little understanding of steel structure know how to tell? Then you go on about "Bro" knives which is a great concept but not a awnser for all the issues here. Lets see, you get a guy selling steel at Cobra Gold and two soldeirs check out what he has and one says "look the tang stamp is off and the coler dont look right" then the other a crap house expert says " No man its a BRO knive man ". Then you end up with what I think all of us will agree we dont want and that is a soldier in the field with substandard critical gear.
As I mentioned before I didnt realy have any oppinion other than that and I have not ever made a blanket statement about bad qaulity or a downhill trend in your brand. There were a thousand different ways of handling what I said without making the statement that was made.
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Michelle said:
Thank you, Michelle! You did indeed clarify, and I believe you are absolutely right about the obligation of the OP to return and help to clear things up. I really hope he does come back to "own-up" to his poor decision. I must say, you are indeed one of the more level-headed people to have posted in this thread. Mick is wise to have you as a Mod/Admin! I hope I didn't ruffle any feathers, as that was not my intention.
Sincerely,
3Guardsmen
dekdek said:
michelle.
If you keep your dog on a leash it wont use its mouth to get in trouble in public places even if it has bad maners therefore avoiding any problems with the nieghbors and the spin control it takes to pretend it didnt bite anyone.
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3Guardsmen said:Thank you, Michelle! You did indeed clarify, and I believe you are absolutely right about the obligation of the OP to return and help to clear things up. I really hope he does come back to "own-up" to his poor decision. I must say, you are indeed one of the more level-headed people to have posted in this thread. Mick is wise to have you as a Mod/Admin! I hope I didn't ruffle any feathers, as that was not my intention.
Sincerely,
3Guardsmen
Was gonna post something, but i think I am going to unsbuscribe instead. This is now turning into a praise thread for mods over on the Hardcore Individual forum....hopefully when everyone is done patting themself on that back, we can all move on. I for one, am done.
I call BS on the original poster , had he had an issue with the knife he could have contacted the place he bought it from , or Strider , he did neither.
Knifemakers put yourself in Micks shoes , if someone was here slamming you without giving you a chance to make it right or address the situation , you would be just as ticked as Mick was , if you say you wouldn't then you are just kidding yourself , or perhaps you dont care about your work.
C'mon Midget fess up , you wanted to start a $hit storm , just tell us the reason why you did it.
Knifemakers put yourself in Micks shoes , if someone was here slamming you without giving you a chance to make it right or address the situation , you would be just as ticked as Mick was , if you say you wouldn't then you are just kidding yourself , or perhaps you dont care about your work.
C'mon Midget fess up , you wanted to start a $hit storm , just tell us the reason why you did it.
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I have no brief with the salty style of some, but it seems to keep getting lost in the telling and retelling of the story:
"i feel like, with the popularity of Strider knives, their quality is really going downhill."
The OP
Some react more calmly to overt, direct criticism ("is really going downhill").
Sadly, we know what the reaction was.
We will never know what the initial reaction would have been if the OP only asked for advice instead of offering that opinion.
"i feel like, with the popularity of Strider knives, their quality is really going downhill."
The OP
Some react more calmly to overt, direct criticism ("is really going downhill").
Sadly, we know what the reaction was.
We will never know what the initial reaction would have been if the OP only asked for advice instead of offering that opinion.
the45guy said:
Just keep on talking,,, Thats the whole reason I use the dogs name is to stay on a leash, If I didnt for sure I would be banned. so go ahead and keep talking and let anyone reading this have plenty of insight into your "fan club" spin and blame the messenger mentality.
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