A formal apology from Jared West of Mantis Knives

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I have no dog in this fight as I do not own a Mantis knife and I would be hesitant to buy one at this point.

I do think the spam marketing tactics that Mr. West used stink. He has apologized for that and I could accept that and forget about it if that were the only issue here.

The outstanding question seems to be what steel is actually used in the knives. This is an important consideration for many buyers and at the very least a buyer should know, and get, what he pays for. It seems to me that this should be a simple question for the owner of the company to answer yet the question continues to be avoided. This makes me wonder what he is hiding.
 
The outstanding question seems to be what steel is actually used in the knives. This is an important consideration for many buyers and at the very least a buyer should know, and get, what he pays for. It seems to me that this should be a simple question for the owner of the company to answer yet the question continues to be avoided. This makes me wonder what he is hiding.

Bingo.
 
Guys;

Give Jared the benefit of the doubt here, let him apologize, and move on.

He agrees that what he did was wrong, and is trying to make amends.

He did send Spark a note apologizing for his tactics, and Spark agreed to allow him to post his apology.

Take his apology any way you want, but lets not get personal, ok?

Thank you.
 
The opinions of the Mantis knife owners, were not biased. They were not only to try to win a knife.

Nah , asking them to post to win a free knife , they aint biased at all.:jerkit:

Still waiting for the answer on the BG42...

I personally know....

since you have a connection with him , and you seem to be trying hard to defend what you believe in ( can't fault you there ) , perhaps you can either get the info to clear up the questions on the BG42 , or direct Jared to answer them.

It's a pretty simple thing for him to address and put it all to bed don't you think ?
 
I agree with John's point above on the postings of the Mantis owners. Even if some of them were legit and not influenced in any way by the contest, the set up and execution of the whole thing meant that every post talking about the virtues of a Mantis knife was going to be subject to serious doubt from folks at the various forums. Once the company email that showed the details came out, forget it. Practically everyone dismissed anything they'd read about Mantis as b.s.

Mantis shot themselves in the foot from the very start and took away whatever credibility their customers might have had in talking about their product. More than being overzealous, the campaign was just a seriously flawed concept from the start. Someone mentioned in one of the other threads on this subject that the Mantis customers didn't seem to be picking up on the fact that the company was expecting them to act as cheap mindless shills for the chance at free knife. It seems the owner still doesn't see that point the future of the company may well suffer for it.
 
To: All forum users who've been offended,
From: Jared West of Mantis Knives

This post should serve as a formal apology for some over-zealous marketing techniques that I recently used to spread the word about our products.

As some of you may know, I'm a 27 year old man with an undying love of all things sharp. I've loved knives ever since I was a little kid...not unlike most of you. Two years ago, at the advice of a wise knifemaker and friend, I founded the Mantis Knife Co. The goal of Mantis Knives was to bring high quality, high-tech knives to the industry at a reasonable price.

Mantis has gained a following, certainly comprised of like-minded individuals with similar taste in design as myself. But it was always been my goal as the leader of this company; to show ALL "knife nuts" our lineup, and to expose even the savviest of knife buyers to something vastly different.

It was/is NEVER my intention to "dupe" or trick anyone. From time to time I would visit Bladeforums, and on one particular visit, I read a post that hurled insults at both my designs and myself, and made terrible false accusations. This angered me greatly, as it would ANY of you, and I reacted. Later that day I put in an inquiry to our collector's club and I asked them to write into the forums to speak THEIR minds about their own Mantis experience. I did this because I KNOW 100% of them are more than satisfied with their knife, with Mantis as a company, and with me; Jared West...the guy they've grown to know as a friend and fellow knife-nut. I felt that with their testimonials, that some of the skeptics out there would realize that there's really no need to fear the unknown, and would allow Mantis to present our knives in a neutral setting. Boy was I wrong... My inquiry to The Militia was construed as something entirely different, and for this I apologize.

It was brought to my attention that even some of my personal past struggles were brought into the forums by some users, and I would like to address this as well. Yes, it's true that I've had past struggles with the law, but I feel very fortunate to have turned that part of my life around while still in my twenties. I've been granted the serenity to accept the things I can't change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference...and this will remain within me, god-willing...one day at a time.

The bottom line is this: On a daily basis, I strive to create some great products for ALL of us to enjoy. I hope that all of you will accept my most sincere apology for any offenses caused by my actions. I'd rather "face the music" head on, than to hide from it.

My hope is that this post is taken seriously, as it comes from my heart. I've never lied to any of my customers about ANYTHING. I never meant to offend a single one of you, and should any of you feel the need to comment on what you've read here, please call me directly at Mantis (714) 701-9136.

Thank you for your time,

Jared West


Jared, A simple, "I Behaved Like A Jackasss Cause I Don't Give A Darn About Anyone But Myself But I'm Trying To Get Over That And Other Superficial Bullshittt" would have done nicely. Instead all I see is a "Sorry I'm A Crackhead, Now I Go To Meetings And Need Added Drama" which to me is not much of a apology. Yes, Ive heard it all before and received letters from prisoners doing their 12 step programs apologizing or making amends or whatever because they were sorry they got caught. Some of them eventually got it together and some of them are dead, either way the worlds a better place. My same strategy applies here, get it together or stop wasting the earths oxygen and Blade Forums bandwidth.

Most likely I would never buy a Mantis knife anyway (As Things Stand) so I guess this is a mute point in some ways but your welcome to come up to my standards and I will take another look and see what you have to offer as long as you don't turn out to have lied about being in the Army or something and as far as I know you have not. If anything your guilty of becoming a cartoon character, if you want to outgrow and shed the clown suit that is on you and you alone.
 
He apologized, so let it go....either Ya want to buy his knives or Ya don't. All the rest is just :yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:
 
Just for that, I'm staying!!!!!!!!

like esav said "suprise suprise" lol.

i wonder what it is about all this that concerns you so, why do ya care?

ya say ya conducted "tests" got any pics? now if ya did THAT would suprise me lol.
 
Why am I so concerned? I guess all of this bothers me so much because I truly do believe in Mantis knives and Jared. I don't have my head up his ass like has been suggested...just a belief in one mans dream and courage to take on the knife world. Some of you act like you've never made mistakes and that bothers me alot. We've all done things we're not proud of but we make amends the best we can and try to move on. Some accept that and give us another chance and others do not. I guess that is life. You want pics for proof? Fine. Go to the Mantis site and look at the pics.They are under the press room tab. The ones of the knives in the tree....well that's me. My wife took the pictures and I have the originals if you would like me to email them to you directly.
 
Hey, you should check out the website. There are pics of a 200 lbs. guy who pounded two of the knives into a tree, and used them as steps! They are in the press/write-up area of the site, I think. I think it proves that the knives are pretty tough. And, I personally know the person that took the pics, so they are real. I have also done similar tests.

you just said that it was you in the pics on the site, but in post #89 of this very thread you sat there are pics of " a 200 lbs. guy" and that you "have done similar tests" whats up with the contradiction? I've been subscribed to this thread from the first post and it sure seems like theres a lot of misdirection and backpedaling goin on.
 
I should have admitted then that it was me. Maybe with all the haters on this thread I didn't want anyone knowing what I look like....
 
I should have admitted then that it was me. Maybe with all the haters on this thread I didn't want anyone knowing what I look like....

Don't blame you a bit. If I was espoused your position, I would not want anyone to know who I was either. :barf:
 
I should have admitted then that it was me. Maybe with all the haters on this thread I didn't want anyone knowing what I look like....

First, you deny the spam campaign, basically calling it no big deal. Telling us to get over it. Then you declare that it's actually the "Militia General" himself posting a nonpology (yet as you state several times you live nowhere near him, so how couldn't you be 100% positive that it was him). You defend him to the extreme. Now you're busted...caught in a lie.

So your credibility is zero. Those that you defend have lowered credibility (Jared and Mantis). Those you associate and identify with have lowered credibility. When are you going to fess up and admit you are the Jared West in the post?

If you're afraid of the "haters", why continue to give them additional ammo?

I see splinters in your future...
 
and yet instead of having your bud answer the questions....

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You really think I'm Jared?? Please...
I really don't know how to prove to you otherwise. Any suggestions?


You gotta knife don't ya,,,,,,,,,, DNA! Not that its worth the bother but the Admins could do a simple IP check and see if it checks out or is dynamic or something, there are other ways too but that's up to them as I don't see the point in bothering with it.

Whats funny is this all started out with such big balls and now there is severe shrinkage on the part of the original militia and command, if I can use that terminology.
 
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