About the hate for Survive! Knives.

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EngrSorenson said:
There's a reason why things like Kickstarter exist- most people don't want to fund someone else's business venture.
Kickstarter is great- you know up front what the risks are and it gives you an opportunity to help someone with a good idea.
S!K didn't use Kickstarter- they're just incompetent and clowned good people into giving them money.
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You know what they SAY about the risks.
 
io333 said:
So I guess you can all just keep hating that company, and that guy, but he did follow through, and he didn't steal any money from anyone. Someone with honor is rare, so rare in this corrupt world now. I think he did a good thing. He's a good man. I'd have a beer with him and tell him that.
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io333 said:
It wasn't that I really wanted it all that much, it's kind of like... well it's like, I just wanted to see what would happen after a while. I've read of so may people getting screwed out of their money, especially stuff like KickStarter things. All the people that lost their life savings in GM stock, stuff like that. I wanted to see if I would actually, ever get it. If I didn't, oh well $230 is like two tanks of gas these days, right? And to my utter amazement, here it is. That poor guy endured every hateful criticism that anyone with a keyboard could ever think of thrown at him, he persevered, shrugged it all off, and made it happen anyway. But all that hate thrown his way had to hurt. He did more that 99% of us would, or even could do. Heck, I don't think I would have gone all the way through with it, and I consider myself a pretty damn good person. I think I would have found a way to just reason out: that good people screw up in business all the time, and that's why there are bankruptcy laws, and taken the easy way out. He didn't take the easy way out. He rode the hard path and made it happen. I'm impressed. I'm as impressed with that guy, as with anyone who ever made any company, great or small, successful. Henry Ford, or the guy with the corner convenience store.
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io333 said:
but if anyone was trying to run a Ponzi scheme, making (ridiculously) high quality knives, and then continuing to do it after being banned, after being shit upon over and over again, at the premier knife site on the web - and then still keeping at it, seems like the absolute most ridiculous way to go about trying to defraud people. I mean, wouldn't going into real estate or used cars or hell, selling stock market derivatives have a much more positive return for effort?
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io333 said:
Yeah, I've read a bit of that thread, back when it was made. But all of the accusations there, about him being a sociopath or worse... well it's not true now, is it. He's pretty close to sending out every last knife that was owed. He didn't just keep the money. A sociopath would have. Heck, even a regular normal businessman would have declared bankruptcy, kept the money legally, and reorganized and changed the company name and started again. I reassert that the guy learned a LOT of life lessons and became a hell of a many here at the other end of that experience.
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My man, you are glossing over some of the realities here. First, he is breaking the law and is stealing. He's using people's money without their consent and not offering refunds as required by law. He's holding money as if it is an interest free loan. That interest is being collected by him. That money could have been making money or growing for the real owner.

Next, no credit should be given for following through, finally, after 6 years. No pat on the back for not just being a blatant thief. If that is your standard of acceptable, you must be an easy mark.

Further, survive is a quasi ponzi scheme run by a con-artist. One of the reasons why it works is that each individual scammed, is not out an amount of money that would draw attention from the authorities and is not worth individuals to make a big stink about. Survive does just enough to not trigger a big enough backlash. They fly under the radar. This is how the true con-artist operates. Do just enough to not get full on caught. Grift along in the background, scamming people and living a comfortable life.

Last, if survive were to stop delivering knives, close up shop, and move on to another scam (bigger even), they'd be fools. That is because the scam works. Take you as evidence.
 
I think its a cool story and you now have a knife with a great legend to be passed on. It's not a bad looking knife, I'm sure it's worth the 235 dollars for sure

Enjoy the knife and the many tales you will spin about it
 
slyraven said:
I think its a cool story and you now have a knife with a great legend to be passed on. It's not a bad looking knife, I'm sure it's worth the 235 dollars for sure

Enjoy the knife and the many tales you will spin about it
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What’s the legend?

There’s no legend… just a sad-but-true story of a guy who waited longer for a knife than the length of America’s involvement in WW2.
 
slyraven said:
I think its a cool story and you now have a knife with a great legend to be passed on. It's not a bad looking knife, I'm sure it's worth the 235 dollars for sure

Enjoy the knife and the many tales you will spin about it
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More like, try to enjoy the knife knowing that some new sucker had to be duped in order for you to have it after 6 years waiting, because that's how a ponzi scheme works. Cool story, right?
 
EngrSorenson said:
What’s the legend?

There’s no legend… just a sad-but-true story of a guy who waited longer for a knife than the length of America’s involvement in WW2.
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craytab said:
More like, try to enjoy the knife knowing that some new sucker had to be duped in order for you to have it after 6 years waiting, because that's how a ponzi scheme works. Cool story, right?
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I'm not condoning the situation..but it happened..he got his knife 6 years later and that's kind of a cool story. I'm sure as the years pass on, more will be added to the story of that knife and hence legends will form...or not. Still, I find it rather fascinating that it took 6 years, and the whole situation around it..its almost a miracle the knife was sent out when so many were not
 
slyraven said:
I'm not condoning the situation..but it happened..he got his knife 6 years later and that's kind of a cool story. I'm sure as the years pass on, more will be added to the story of that knife and hence legends will form...or not. Still, I find it rather fascinating that it took 6 years, and the whole situation around it..its almost a miracle the knife was sent out when so many were not
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Maybe it's the old adage of, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease".
 
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