About the hate for Survive! Knives.

[io333]

If it's an extremely rare item or museum piece, then I can understand preserving it. But I don't extend that to a car that is available to the average person. You can drive it without abusing it. Guns? I'm 100% certain that if I own it, I'm going to take it shooting. I also don't place any knife I own in the showpiece category. Obviously, I don't use swords in my daily life, but I use almost every other knife when possible.

Twenty five years ago you could buy an old air-cooled Porsche 911 for $500, stick another good condition used motor in it for another $500 and beat on it at the race track. I was thinking about doing that at the time, just to get in some track time with a rear engined car, which seemed interesting and challenging. I decided though that 911s were just too ugly and looked like squished VW bugs and didn't buy the one I was looking at. You could get one in near perfect shape for $3500. They weren't rare or museum pieces then, and were unpopular.

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[EngrSorenson]

Twenty five years ago you could buy an old air-cooled Porsche 911 for $500, stick another good condition used motor in it for another $500 and beat on it at the race track. I was thinking about doing that at the time, just to get in some track time with a rear engined car, which seemed interesting and challenging. I decided though that 911s were just too ugly and looked like squished VW bugs and didn't buy the one I was looking at. You could get one in near perfect shape for $3500. They weren't rare or museum pieces then, and were unpopular.

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So what you're saying is...
Survive! Knives is a bogus company that should close up shop to make room for real professionals?

 

[LEGION 12]

 

[Blues]

One swallow does not a summer make.

This is for the birds...

 

[Boru13]

 

[AriesTheCam]

That pikal they have on pre-order would be temping if they weren't such fucktards.. the people ordering them now may never see them if this collapse happens before 2024 haha

 

[io333]

That pikal they have on pre-order would be temping if they weren't such fucktards.. the people ordering them now may never see them if this collapse happens before 2024 haha

What the heck is a knife like that used for. It looks like I would use it to accidentally slash myself somehow just trying to pick it up!

 

[AriesTheCam]

What the heck is a knife like that used for. It looks like I would use it to accidentally slash myself somehow just trying to pick it up!

It's a knife for downward slashing. Think backwards karambit.You still hold it in a reverse grip but you stab down and pull towards yourself rather than how a karambit is a push slash. It uses gross motor functions (what most people rely on in a fight) rather than fine motor functions (takes lots of training to naturally do this in a fight) like a karambit uses.

 

[io333]

It's a knife for downward slashing. Think backwards karambit.You still hold it in a reverse grip but you stab down and pull towards yourself rather than how a karambit is a push slash. It uses gross motor functions (what most people rely on in a fight) rather than fine motor functions (takes lots of training to naturally do this in a fight) like a karambit uses.

No. Do not want. One thing I'm definitely going to try to do in this life is never be in a knife fight.

 

[AriesTheCam]

No. Do not want. One thing I'm definitely going to try to do in this life is never be in a knife fight.

A wise choice. They aren't fun at all

 

[unwisefool]

That's beautiful. Seems totally unavailable though?

I've managed to buy 4 CPK knives in 3 years, compared to your 6 years for 1. So can't be that unavailable.

 

[Pàdruig]

.....I'd put their finished product up against anyone else's though.

I don't mean to pile on but it bears responding to - again.

There is nothing wrong with Survive!'s designs or even the knives themselves - they are actually really nice (when and if they materialize). Several years ago, at a Becker Gathering, my 4.7 at the time was the belle of the ball - everyone wanted to check it out and in general, it was met with a lot of positive feedback.

That said, reputation and integrity mean everything in this community and Survive! has chosen to allow both to be heavily soiled. It matters not if their knives are the best ever (objectively, they are not) - if they are going to perpetually lie, why on earth would I give them my business, let alone have any pride of ownership?!

When Survive! was using the the Delta Protocol on their 3V steel, they were one of only two outfits (if memory serves) that offered it. One could argue that as a good selling point and maybe even objectively say, "Yeah, this knife holds its own against some of the industry leaders like Carothers and Busse!". But they can't say that anymore, can they? They are no longer offering the Delta heat treat protocol on their 3V so whatever edge they might have had has simply vanished. Now it's just plain ol' 3V and will not compare favorably against any of my CPKs.

No, I do not believe that Survive! stands head and shoulders above the rest. Lack of integrity aside, even their knives can no longer compare with the best out there. 3V is unexciting without the Delta treatment and EVERYONE is using Magnacut these days. Hard to imagine what I could possibly miss if I continue to ignore Survive!'s offerings.

 

[Blues]

Hard to imagine what I could possibly miss if I continue to ignore Survive!'s offerings.

Well, there's the drama...for one.

But with so little good content on TV these days...

 

[Pàdruig]

Well, there's the drama...for one.

But with so little good content on TV these days...

Ain't that the truth

 

[000Robert]

If that's really what you think, I bet you'll be happily surprised. Do I wish they would do things differently when it comes to taking orders and wait times...yes. I'd put their finished product up against anyone else's though.

Really? I'll bet that he can't make a knife as gorgeous as my Carothers DEK1. She has D3V steel with the swedge, penetrator tip, and Cocobolo scales.

 

[000Robert]

I've managed to buy 4 CPK knives in 3 years, compared to your 6 years for 1. So can't be that unavailable.

I've bought 6 in two years. But I had some catching up to do.

 

[000Robert]

I don't mean to pile on but it bears responding to - again.

There is nothing wrong with Survive!'s designs or even the knives themselves - they are actually really nice (when and if they materialize). Several years ago, at a Becker Gathering, my 4.7 at the time was the belle of the ball - everyone wanted to check it out and in general, it was met with a lot of positive feedback.

That said, reputation and integrity mean everything in this community and Survive! has chosen to allow both to be heavily soiled. It matters not if their knives are the best ever (objectively, they are not) - if they are going to perpetually lie, why on earth would I give them my business, let alone have any pride of ownership?!

When Survive! was using the the Delta Protocol on their 3V steel, they were one of only two outfits (if memory serves) that offered it. One could argue that as a good selling point and maybe even objectively say, "Yeah, this knife holds its own against some of the industry leaders like Carothers and Busse!". But they can't say that anymore, can they? They are no longer offering the Delta heat treat protocol on their 3V so whatever edge they might have had has simply vanished. Now it's just plain ol' 3V and will not compare favorably against any of my CPKs.

No, I do not believe that Survive! stands head and shoulders above the rest. Lack of integrity aside, even their knives can no longer compare with the best out there. 3V is unexciting without the Delta treatment and EVERYONE is using Magnacut these days. Hard to imagine what I could possibly miss if I continue to ignore Survive!'s offerings.

I was not impressed with the OP's knife. I'll take a Carothers over his knife any day of the week.

 

[EngrSorenson]

I'm still waiting for ESEE to release the CR 3.0 in S35VN... so it's kinda like S!K, except they haven't taken my money yet, they've made no promises for deliveries, and they don't tell lies.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that ESEE knows what they're doing and S!K is complete garbage as a company.

 

[mrfields]

i don’t usually comment on these but anyone else see the dude in the background dancing around while guy was bsing about how hard they’re all working. fit their whole persona to a t.

 

[Blues]

I'm still waiting for ESEE to release the CR 3.0 in S35VN... so it's kinda like S!K, except they haven't taken my money yet, they've made no promises for deliveries, and they don't tell lies.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that ESEE knows what they're doing and S!K is complete garbage as a company.

You've obviously never spent any time out drinking with Jeff and Mike.

(Don't ask me how I know. )