About the hate for Survive! Knives.

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Actually Survive brought everything in-house last year. The only things they're not making are the crews, and sheaths. Peters does the HT. The only knives that were upgraded to magna cut were the ones ordered in 20CV, not the 3V knives. It looks like they may be finally catching up on the back orders...I hope. I absolutely agree the wait times are bad, but I've gotten every knife I've ever ordered. The quality is amazing.
The hate on here is strong, and I get it. A 6 month wait shouldn't turn into 6 years. If things are running smoothly now, and they get caught up, I hope they go to smaller batch runs. Something they can turn around in a reasonable time.
 
Not to change the subject or anything but I'm so deaf now I can't hear myself fart. I have to go by feel and hope for the best.
Now that’s just awful. Next to watching everyone’s reaction (and trying to figure out who did it if you’re in a crowd), the sound is the best part. A good ol’ key-rattler on a steel chair is all well and good, but it pales in comparison to the lovely sound of the first morning roll-out-of-bed chainsaw, one of the truly few joys in life THAT YOU’RE MISSING OUT ON. I can’t even imagine.

I recall a comic years ago - Bobby Slayton, I believe - saying a fart is the funniest sound in the world, and I’ve yet to find anything that might prove him wrong. You have my deepest sympathy.
 
I have a very hard time using what I consider to be very nice stuff.

I have a very very nice classic car in the garage that I never drive - and I drive an old beater every day instead. It's some kind of mental issue.
Why did you buy them? To look at them?

I'll never understand that kind of mentality. If I have a nice knife, I'm going to use it. If I have a nice car, I'm going to drive it. You only live once. No one is going to appreciate those things for you.

It looks like they may be finally catching up on the back orders...I hope. I absolutely agree the wait times are bad, but I've gotten every knife I've ever ordered.
The production schedule they post on their own website shows little to no production in the last 6 months. That fact cannot be disputed.

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That's not even mentioning all the bad luck they have had with warped blanks, etc.
 
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It wasn't that I really wanted it all that much, it's kind of like... well it's like, I just wanted to see what would happen after a while. I've read of so may people getting screwed out of their money, especially stuff like KickStarter things. All the people that lost their life savings in GM stock, stuff like that. I wanted to see if I would actually, ever get it. If I didn't, oh well $230 is like two tanks of gas these days, right? And to my utter amazement, here it is. That poor guy endured every hateful criticism that anyone with a keyboard could ever think of thrown at him, he persevered, shrugged it all off, and made it happen anyway. But all that hate thrown his way had to hurt. He did more that 99% of us would, or even could do. Heck, I don't think I would have gone all the way through with it, and I consider myself a pretty damn good person. I think I would have found a way to just reason out: that good people screw up in business all the time, and that's why there are bankruptcy laws, and taken the easy way out. He didn't take the easy way out. He rode the hard path and made it happen. I'm impressed. I'm as impressed with that guy, as with anyone who ever made any company, great or small, successful. Henry Ford, or the guy with the corner convenience store.

People's standards have fallen so low haha.. how pathetic.

Basically: "I can't believe he actually made the product I paid for! I'm so grateful you did the bare minimum expected! "🤣👌

Who celebrates bad service?? You don't pat the fast food worker who forgot your fries on the back do you? The bitchy cashier maybe?

I got off that list a long time ago. I'm not a dipshit. So I refused to wait another year for fuck all to end up in my mailbox.. but please... go on more about how great SURVIVE! is.. your love for them is hurting my sides.

Do you collect Benchmade too? I'm still trying to pawn off my last knife from those two faced cunts. I'm almost ready to give the fucker away for shipping costs.. tbh it's probably nicer than that SURVIVE! is though, and it cost half the SK

Still confused how you took waiting 6 years as a sign that he's a good guy lol.

Why?

If he was a good guy he would've refunded everyone the minute he figured out he wouldn't be able to produce the numbers he promised within the next decade.. he did the opposite.. that's a good way to get a rep like Mick Striders fake ass does.. or Gerber, SOG, or Schrade when they went chinesium (sue me).

If you hired me to remodel your bathroom and for the next 6 years I kept leading you on about a timeframe for finished product because... reasons.. you'd be pissed; and probably sue; so how is this different?

Very few would've had a problem with this wait if he did his due diligence and figured out about how long (an estimate is close enough) it would take. He had people in the dark.. while he spent their money.. for years.

Randall has an absurd wait list too that's also years long for a knife.. but people know up front about it and no one is mad.

How many of the people on his waiting list died before he even started their knife and no information at all on a time frame? It's just shady.. and he shouldn't get love for barely providing the service he promised.

He would've been better off working for a good knifemaker for a while to see how this shit is done before jumping head first into something he clearly wasn't ready for.. I mean if Half Face is where they are doing small batch shit you can't even get hands on because of bots then he has no excuse. Hell the fans he still has seem to be equally rabid.. so why is he a failure?

He should be able to do the same.. don't promise 12,000 knives (or whatever) in 6 months if you only have the ability to make like 50. It's dumb and he deserves the hate imo. All I'm saying is you shouldn't write checks you can't cash.

Anyway.. I have a 5.1 GSO on the way as I type this through a trade I thought twice about. So we'll see if their blade is so much better they can justify the wait.

It can't be much nicer (probably much much worse quality actually) than my Busse's, Randall Made, RMJ, Dawson, Bark River, Tactical Pterodactyl, Half Face, Bastinelli, Microtech, or even Esee and TOPS though based on visuals alone. I'm gonna start collecting Carothers stuff soon but I GUARANTEE they dont come remotely close to them either.

I'll probably end up selling it. We'll see.. the future holds many mysteries. I doubt very very much that they are "ridiculously high quality" though.. I am going to go out on a limb and say they are aight.. good but nothing special.. type stuff. Probably like a step up from TOPS, but a step down from BRK

Peter's Heat Treat are really the only "special" attribute about their knives from what I can see.. and that's not even their product.
 
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It can't be much nicer (probably much much worse quality actually) than my Busse's, Randall Made, RMJ, Dawson, Bark River, Tactical Pterodactyl, Half Face, Bastinelli, Microtech, or even Esee and TOPS though based on visuals alone. I'm gonna start collecting Carothers stuff soon but I GUARANTEE they dont come remotely close to them either.

I'll probably end up selling it. We'll see.. the future holds many mysteries. I doubt very very much that they are "ridiculously high quality" though.. I am going to go out on a limb and say they are aight.. good but nothing special.. type stuff. Probably like a step up from TOPS, but a step down from BRK
If that's really what you think, I bet you'll be happily surprised. Do I wish they would do things differently when it comes to taking orders and wait times...yes. I'd put their finished product up against anyone else's though.
 
It’s going to take a team of NASA engineers to help get Guy out of the hole he’s made for himself.
 
If that's really what you think, I bet you'll be happily surprised. Do I wish they would do things differently when it comes to taking orders and wait times...yes. I'd put their finished product up against anyone else's though.

I'm going to guess that you probably haven't handled many other companies' fixed blades. So many companies have them beat from any number of angles, not the least of which is warranty and availability. Buddy who started this thread waited six years for his knife. Do you think he'd see a quick turnaround in the event that something broke on his knife, or it was damaged in any way? Even Gerber fixed blades (LOL) are going to have these machine made production fixed blades from S?K beat on that score, because you'd at least get a replacement, or a fixed knife back from them in something approaching a near term timeframe. Hell, if he returned his knife for a cosmetic issue, they'd probably sell it to someone else, then tell him he's in the pipeline the next time they run those...in another six years. 🤣

Also, AriesTheCam AriesTheCam inadvertently makes a very relevant point:

Hell the fans he still has seem to be equally rabid..

Do you know why it seems this way? Because Guy and Ellie have retreated solely into social media outlets they control. This way they can delete posts and ban anyone who questions or makes any criticism at all about them, their fraudulent business practices, or their knives.


Actually Survive brought everything in-house last year. The only things they're not making are the crews, and sheaths. Peters does the HT. The only knives that were upgraded to magna cut were the ones ordered in 20CV, not the 3V knives. It looks like they may be finally catching up on the back orders...I hope. I absolutely agree the wait times are bad, but I've gotten every knife I've ever ordered. The quality is amazing.
The hate on here is strong, and I get it. A 6 month wait shouldn't turn into 6 years. If things are running smoothly now, and they get caught up, I hope they go to smaller batch runs. Something they can turn around in a reasonable time.

If this is true, it just continues to make Guy look like the incompetent businessperson and "knifemaker" he is. So, a year, he's been in complete control of all elements of his knives, and yet...

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Really? Knives are still outstanding from 2015-2020? I mean, seems to me that if he had everything he needed "in-house", he'd have immediately moved to get that backlog cleared out instead of wasting a single gram of steel, or so much as a second of his time on any orders newer than that, right? That tracks, right?

It's good that you got your knives, but by their own percentages admission, there are still people waiting, right now, today who haven't. It's because they don't have the resources to fill those orders, because they spent that money elsewhere.
 
Original poster here. I didn't realize this thread kept going, email didn't notify me. I have to go back and read what was posted, but haven't yet, will in a minute.

Lots of good points in the thread, until I lost track, a lot of things I didn't know about previously dealings.

But here is my thought now:

About him aking people's money up front to pay for personal expenses, and needing constant supply of new orders to build past orders.

Well so what? Isn't that how so many businesses are run? Isn't that what Social Security is doing, don't giant corporations do the same thing with bond sales, stock sales, isn't that just one normal way of doing business these days?
How else is someone without large capital supposed to get something off the ground? Do you think any bank would have given him a loan to start a knife company? Hahahahahahaha. Undercapitalization is the #1 reason for a business failing, or at least it used to be, and banks don't loan out to new businesses. This person was obviously undercapitalized, but instead of letting the business fail, has kept at it and has delivered. He has a list of where they are in production and they've been slamming out huge numbers of orders in the last six months. I think the business has a good chance of making it. There are actually in stock knives listed on the web page frequently now.

OK now I will go back and read what I missed, and steel myself to get slammed again.



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Why did you buy them? To look at them?

I'll never understand that kind of mentality. If I have a nice knife, I'm going to use it. If I have a nice car, I'm going to drive it. You only live once. No one is going to appreciate those things for you.


The production schedule they post on their own website shows little to no production in the last 6 months. That fact cannot be disputed.

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That's not even mentioning all the bad luck they have had with warped blanks, etc.

... have you ever marveled at a really old, original condition car with low miles, say 20 or 30 or 40 years old, in perfect showroom condition, and you're just like "wow, amazing!" I wish I could have that car? Or gun like an unfired 70s Python, or whatever the thing is? Maybe a centuries old violin? Well, someone had to take care of it and preserve it that whole time. I'm one of those people that takes care of those things, and then tries to pass the thing on to someone who will also preserve the thing, perhaps for centuries... milennia? Most of the things get used, a little, occasionally. Most people feel like you do, and that's great. Things are just things, mostly, and ought to be used and the owner should have fun with them, and ultimately some owner down the line will probably just trash the thing as originally intended. But, If there weren't a few like me, there would be no more Giuseppe Guarneris... or AC Cobras. But the mentality still considers every well made object, to see if maybe it should be in the "maybe this thing should just be preserved, for at least a little while." Yeah, a $300 knife with a plastic handle ain't no Strad, I get that.

 
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