Allan Blade

[Mike G]

Please keep this on topic, folks.

 

[Danbo]

You didnt find it funny then?

I think Illinoishire has quite a ring to it.

I think your dumb ass on ignore sounds pretty good right about now. :jerkit:

 

[Mike G]

I think your dumb ass on ignore sounds pretty good right about now. :jerkit:

By ignoring him, you'll miss out on all of his alleged humor! (Or is that'Humour'?

It won't be long, folks; I see the slack in Martyn's rope disappearing fast!

 

[Martyn@BB]

I think your dumb ass on ignore sounds pretty good right about now. :jerkit:

OK I apologise. But I was goaded into it by the idiots who are trying to make this into some kind of "Britain v America" thing and are dishing out WWII Hollywood history lessons. Where the hell did that come from?

Anyway, my point is this has nothing to do with nationality. I'm not anti American - I dont like the French either! (JOKE). But I do think I'm the wrong nationality for this forum. I think you guys like an American forum for Americans and kind of tolerate the foreigners (so long as they dont make jokes about Illinois).

Just lets not take all this - or ourselves so seriously eh?

Joe (Chen), I dont know you, but I hope you get your money back.

 

[Martyn@BB]

By ignoring him, you'll miss out on all of his alleged humor! (Or is that'Humour'?

It won't be long, folks; I see the slack in Martyn's rope disappearing fast!

Ahhh, I've commited the cardinal sin then?

 

[WrayH]

It's called humour gentlemen. Those of you who are laughing, would you be so kind as to explain the joke to the redneck sitting next to you.

Good evening, Martyn,

Yes, the content of the "Notice of Revocation of Independence" that you posted is humorous, quite humorous, indeed. I thought it so when I first saw it some time ago, but it is less so in the circumstances in which you have presented it to us.

I am curious as to why you have done so. In this context it is rather challenging and the tone that it carries, given the overall nature of the discourse on this subject thus far, does nothing to further what I thought to be your purpose.

If I understand this all correctly, you registered and made your first post here to lay out the reasoning underlying your decisions regarding Allan Blade and his business treatment by British Blades because some of the members here do not agree and feel that the leniency and indulgence shown him by you and British Blades is unjust and shows great disrespect to those who he has mistreated, abused and then ignored in the past by the same tactics and who are still looking to him for redress.

You made your position quite clear and some of the folks here have very much disagreed and state their views in a manner to which you take offense.

I think that you can be fairly certain that the way this thing is going you are not furthering your cause by this sort of riposte. You are not doing too well at bringing us colonials around to your line of reasoning.

I don't believe that anyone from Blade Forums has been making any posts on British Blades of a nature to cause dissension on this subject there. To my knowledge the views and opinions of BF members have been mostly confined here to Blade Forums.

So, I ask you, do think posts such as your last humorous one, noted above, are really a positive contribution to the debate? Are we allowed if we so choose to make our views concerning this subject known on British Blades and offer our humorous contributions. Will we be welcomed so openly there as you have been here?

Just wondering.

 

[Mike G]

Ahhh, I've commited the cardinal sin then?

And what cardinal sin might that be?

your alleged humor is pissing people off. I'm not sure what you are trying to gain from it, but if it is truly humor, it isn't working.

The folks here take this Blade deal very seriously. You know the details, you've heard the arguments, and you have chosen to let this guy play in your house.

I'll tell you what, Martyn. There is a bunch of child molesters here in the U.S. How about we send them over to your country, and you can deal with them. Since they haven't done anything to you and yours, you should welcome them with open arms. After all, you'll allow thieves from the U.S. to do their thing in your house, why not other criminals from here? They haven't hurt your people, so why not?

Let's see if you are smart enough to make the connection. Just like Blade getting people the knives they're owed, I won't hold my breath.

 

[Martyn@BB]

I am curious as to why you have done so. In this context it is rather challenging and the tone that it carries, given the overall nature of the discourse on this subject thus far, does nothing to further what I thought to be your purpose.

Yeah, you are kind of right. But see my post above before judging me too harshly. Some people have kind of shoved this anti-American thing at me and tried to make this out to be a British v American thing.

I guess my point in posting the previous was to say - it isn't. Made sense at the time.

If I understand this all correctly, you registered and made your first post here to lay out the reasoning underlying your decisions regarding Allan Blade and his business treatment by British Blades because some of the members here do not agree and feel that the leniency and indulgence shown him by you and British Blades is unjust and shows great disrespect to those who he has mistreated, abused and then ignored in the past by the same tactics and who are still looking to him for redress.

No, I joined BF in 2003 - but chose not to post here, though I have lurked on and off.

This thread has irritated me for a while, with repeated accusations thrown at BritishBlades as if we are some kind of criminals for allowing him to exist. I was - eventually - motivated to post a rebuttal.

You made your position quite clear and some of the folks here have very much disagreed and state their views in a manner to which you take offense.

They are free to disagree. They are not free to dictate and some are just rude.

I think that you can be fairly certain that the way this thing is going you are not furthering your cause by this sort of riposte. You are not doing too well at bringing us colonials around to your line of reasoning.

To be honest, I kind of lost hope of intelligent conversation several days ago. You are a breath of fresh air though.

I don't believe that anyone from Blade Forums has been making any posts on British Blades of a nature to cause dissension on this subject there. To my knowledge the views and opinions of BF members have been mostly confined here to Blade Forums.

There were a couple a few months back, who joined just for the purpose, but on the whole, no - not really. I have no grounds for complaint on that score.

So, I ask you, do think posts such as your last humorous one, noted above, are really a positive contribution to the debate? Are we allowed if we so choose to make our views concerning this subject known on British Blades and offer our humorous contributions. Will we be welcomed so openly there as you have been here?

Just wondering.

No you're not. I dont allow conversations like this on BritishBlades. I dont allow the abuse of members, I dont allow trial by forums. It's something of a moot point though isn't it? These types of conversations are almost defacto here and judging by the (frequently used) masturbation smilie I see in my edit box - it's pretty much expected.

Regards,
Martyn.

 

[bladeblade]

Well,

I knew the " ALLAN SHIPPED KNIVES OUT AFTER he said and lied thing" would come up so i made sure to exactly date each package on the date it actually was sent,,,, actually the date actually shipped will be right under the Postage on the package and also on the customs form where i signed my name and dated the package in front of the postal worker, then lets see when they were mailed out shall we KEITH. I have no control on how or what the postal system does with the packages once they leave my hand,,, nor which day , date , month they send them overseas,,,, so KEITH,,, before you call me a liar and tell the world i didnt send them out on the date i said i did, how bout you ask those when they get there Package what the date mailed in actuality is written there.

Also , i am going to work on 4 larger field blades i am going to offer for sale after i get about 8 more blades out to those overseas i owe . These blades will be sent to those who buy them and i will instruct them to FORWARD the funds to JOE CHEN as PAYMENT in FULL for the money i owe him,,,, in fact if i get money on and above what i actually owe him i am going to pledge that also to JOE as interest for the time its taken to get him PAID in full, but then again for those on BF, it wil never be good enough, soon enough or whatever, but atleast JOE you will be caught up for my lack of taking care of this matter when i should have , which i agree should have been long ago, so all this ugliness between folks now could have been avoided. Which i completely agree and uphold was my fault from the beggining for being slack and not as attentive as i should have been buisness wise.

FOlks on BLade forums can continue long after JOE is PAID, members on British Blades are caught Up and anyone else is caught up , to bad mouth me and call me a thief , Liar,,,, degrade my wife,,,,,,, or whatever else they choose to do,,,,, my Part in the matter will be over and my mind at ease that i did get my debts taken care of .

Allan

 

[Martyn@BB]

And what cardinal sin might that be?

your alleged humor is pissing people off. I'm not sure what you are trying to gain from it, but if it is truly humor, it isn't working.

The folks here take this Blade deal very seriously. You know the details, you've heard the arguments, and you have chosen to let this guy play in your house.

I'll tell you what, Martyn. There is a bunch of child molesters here in the U.S. How about we send them over to your country, and you can deal with them. Since they haven't done anything to you and yours, you should welcome them with open arms. After all, you'll allow thieves from the U.S. to do their thing in your house, why not other criminals from here? They haven't hurt your people, so why not?

Let's see if you are smart enough to make the connection. Just like Blade getting people the knives they're owed, I won't hold my breath.

What planet are you on man? Are you seriously equating child molestors with THIS?

Good grief.

 

[Martyn@BB]

Also , i am going to work on 4 larger field blades i am going to offer for sale after i get about 8 more blades out to those overseas i owe . These blades will be sent to those who buy them and i will instruct them to FORWARD the funds to JOE CHEN as PAYMENT in FULL for the money i owe him...

That's interesting Allan. As I've said before, so long as people are getting thier knives, you can carry on selling them on BritishBlades.

Joe, I'm not sure if you are a member of BritishBlades, but if you join, we will do what we can to facilitate Allans promise.



Regardless of what people think, I think allowing Allan to trade is the ONLY productive way forward. I honestly do think there is a way out of this for all.



Some people may have a different opinion. I dont care anymore. You've shown a profound contempt for someone with a simple dersire to do things differently (me). I'm giving Allan a limited opportunity to put it right and you guys just want to spit hate.

I honestly think that you are hoping Allans blades wont make it to thier customers, just so you can go "nah, nah, nah ,na - told you so".

I've no time for such peevish, childish malevolence.

 

[JD Mandrell]

You didnt find it funny then?

I think Illinoishire has quite a ring to it.

You realize of course, that this urge of yours to keep lashing out like a child at folks overhere on BF, stems from the desire to draw your own attention away from that nagging feeling in your own stomach, that you have knowingly let a well documented Grifter prey on the members of your own forum, members that trusted you, and who it now appears have been conned by him, as you very well knew he would, don't you?

It's eating away at you isn't it?

You betrayed their trust, allowed them to be robbed, when you could have easily prevented it.

When you can no longer deflect and deny what will eventually happen, will you reimburse them?

 

[Martyn@BB]

You realize of course, that this urge of yours to keep lashing out like a child at folks overhere on BF, stems from the desire to draw your own attention away from that nagging feeling in your own stomach, that you have knowingly let a well documented Grifter prey on the members of your own forum, members that trusted you, and who it now appears have been conned by him, as you very well knew he would, don't you?

It's eating away at you isn't it?

You betrayed their trust, allowed them to be robbed, when you could have easily prevented it.

When you can no longer deflect and deny what will eventually happen, will you reimburse them?

No, but then I dont charge fees to buy or sell. I make no promises to vet sellers or buyers and it's the obligation of all parties to satisfy themselves of all deals.

With regard to Allan being a Grifter, that is something that the judges, jury and prosecution of BladeForums has decided. On the other hand, the Judge, Jury and Prosecution that is BritishBlades, has decided that he is a knifemaker who is crap at managing his business. That doesnt make him an evil man, destined to be bereft of all chances to make good. In the LAST 3 YEARS, he has delivered.

I can clearly see that we will go round and round with this. The lynch mob here have made thier choice, put on thier pointy hats and set fire to the crosses ...and though you may wish to force you version of justice down the throats of all the other forums on the internet (or rubbish them for doing otherwise), britishblades says we'll make up our own minds and thank you to mind your own business.

On that note, I think it's best for all if I go back to lurk mode for another 3 years or so.
Cheerio.

Martyn.

 

[WrayH]

No you're not. I dont allow conversations like this on BritishBlades. I dont allow the abuse of members, I dont allow trial by forums. It's something of a moot point though isn't it? These types of conversations are almost defacto here and judging by the (frequently used) masturbation smilie I see in my edit box - it's pretty much expected.

You seem to see this BF-BB participation pretty much as a one way street. You are free to express yourself pretty freely here but seem to wield a much more restrictive policy and imply that expression of dissatisfaction with a maker is abuse which will not be tolerated there when we feel that that same maker is the abuser of members here.

I don't see how you can find intellectual or moral satisfaction in taking advantage of your dual exercise of expression/repression.

Would you think us unjust to view your position on this matter to be of the same nature as an earlier situation which came to be considered "taxation without representation"? If you can employ a broad view of acceptable humor, I claim the same breadth of metaphoric license.

 

[JD Mandrell]

No, but then I dont charge fees to buy or sell. I make no promises to vet sellers or buyers and it's the obligation of all parties to satisfy themselves of all deals.

By allowing him to sell on your forum, KNOWING how much he has conned before, you were vouching for him, that makes you responsible to the members of BB that trusted you.

It's still eating at you isn't it?

You failed them....are you going to make good on it when they realize it?

 

[Martyn@BB]

You failed them....are you going to make good on it when they realize it?

At what point did Bladeforums stop him from trading? Before or after Joe lost his money. Were there others that lost money while BF continued to allow Allan to trade? Did BF make reparation?

Dont be a chump.

Criminal or bad judgement - neither you or bladeforums have the legal or moral authority to make that judgement. Your arrogance to assume you have that right and the right to impose your judgements on others is increadible.

 

[cleaner145]

With regard to Allan being a Grifter, that is something that the judges, jury and prosecution of BladeForums has decided. On the other hand, the Judge, Jury and Prosecution that is BritishBlades, has decided that he is a knifemaker who is crap at managing his business.

Did you just use the "one mans mercenary is another mans freedom fighter" line? The people that decided he was a grifter were his victims. The people whose money he took and never delivered. Your about to hear from some of your own on that side of the pond. I like many others don't care what you do on your own forum, that's your business. I find it odd though that you keep posting here defending your own decision on your own forum. You allowed him in, now he's all yours. As TLC suggests your probably already seeing the writing on the walls.

 

[jerrinfla]

You seem to see this BF-BB participation pretty much as a one way street. You are free to express yourself pretty freely here but seem to wield a much more restrictive policy and imply that expression of dissatisfaction with a maker is abuse which will not be tolerated there when we feel that that same maker is the abuser of members here.

Actually, the members here give a great deal of leeway to a maker or vendor of knives or sheaths before the "lynch mob" mentality comes into play.
Whatever I've seen here with regards to bad apples starts out with the same people that are in the later "lynch mob" standing up for them, until there is overwhelming evidence that the bad apple is not going to turn a leaf and become a good guy.
They give a lot more consideration to a crook then I would expect to find anywhere, and if they pile on someone it's certainly not without more than just cause.

 

[JD Mandrell]

At what point did Bladeforums stop him from trading? Before or after Joe lost his money. Were there others that lost money while BF continued to allow Allan to trade? Did BF make reparation?

Dont be a chump.

Criminal or bad judgement - neither you or bladeforums have the legal or moral authority to make that judgement. Your arrogance to assume you have that right and the right to impose your judgements on others is increadible.

Is he not BANNED from selling here?

We make our judgments on the evidence, and the moderators here have taken steps to prevent him from preying on members here, look under his name.

Is there not a warning not to buy from him? Based on his previous cons?

The nagging is getting worse isn't it?

Well, will you make good on any loses by your forum members, loses to the conman you allowed to prey on them?

 

[cleaner145]

At what point did Bladeforums stop him from trading? Before or after Joe lost his money. Were there others that lost money while BF continued to allow Allan to trade? Did BF make reparation?

Dont be a chump.

Criminal or bad judgement - neither you or bladeforums have the legal or moral authority to make that judgement. Your arrogance to assume you have that right and the right to impose your judgements on others is increadible.

You know what you are missing here. We at BF look try and look out for one another in issues like this. That prevents other members from being victimized by your new "talented knife maker". Obviously you have a different approach on your forum which is your business. But here you are on ours again.