And, Cold Steel wins....... as usual

Cold steel has a strong lock.
I like having it on my Rajah 2, which I have used for chopping a fair bit; carry it as a "folding machete" at times.

However, these frame locks seemed to handle shock okay. ;)

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So, as long as the lock is made correctly, I ain't too worried, really. :)
 
Needing a lock that is that tuff is the equivalent of buying a family car with 750 horsepower. It's fun to own but useless in the real world.
If you need a knife that performs that well you have the wrong type of knife. You actually need a fixed blade. And by the way the owner of that company is an ass.
 
If I ever chose to truely abuse (I’ll pick one) my Recon 1, I would guess that the lock would hold up just fine. Unfortunately, I guarantee that I would break another part of the knife fairly easily. From the blade,scale screws or pivot, something would bend/break.
 
I'm pretty impressed with my Recon 1 and even my Swift.
I actually like the lock back design. That "click" when that blade locks in is more assuring to me than a frame lock or axis lock.
I dunno..just me.
 
My thoughts can be summed up as "Meh."

I mean, no disrespect to Cold Steel or to anyone who wants or needs ultimate lock strength, but I don't (in fact I'm a big fan of Spyderco's slip-joints :eek:). I believe any decent lock from a respectable manufacturer has more than sufficient strength for my uses. If I need something that absolutely won't fail, I'd just grab a fixed blade anyway, have lots of them. :)

I totally agree.
The ONLY problem I have had with locks on folders are the silly cheepos (and not so cheep) that stick so bad one can't unlock it without a small pry tool. Think cheep Gerber. I have "Tactical" knives with liner locks that with light use stick this bad and Gentelman folders $50 to a$100 dollars with liner locks (and frame locks) that work flawlessly and just NEVER stick !
  • Triad lock ? Good but stiff to use. Inelegant but can be made to work better with a little surgery.
  • Compression lock ? Terrific and fun to use. I have had zero need to modify it. Always just works out of the box (for me; though I've read about probs). Only draw back is with damaged fingers or bandages the knife can slip out of my hand while releasing the lock one handed.
  • Axis lock ? Pretty much ditto of the Compression lock. Can be better with bandaged fingers . . . some what.
  • Ball lock ? A bit stiff I prefer the Axis lock.
  • Back lock ? Never a problem unless it is a Cold Steel then it can be VERY stiff and require work to fix this. Many other back locks with the exception of Cold Steel are fine to use with damaged and bandaged fingers one handed no less.
  • Ti Lock ? Fun to look at don't use it on food.
OK . . .there are others but I'm tired now.
It is way more important to me to be able to use the lock with damaged and bandaged fingers one handed than it is to do combat by bashing my opponent to death with the back of my folding knife blade.
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Bottom line : why would I want to drive a nail with the spine of my folding knife blade when I could just use the butt of my 110 ?

Here is a much more impressive test of knife strength if you like knife vids.
The second half of the vid, though I do enjoy the first part to.

 
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I love all the posts justifying why you don’t need a strong lock.

How about not needing a knife with tolerances as tight as CRK?

If you need a knife with those tolerances you need a fixed blade.
I don't need either and, honestly, I think the incredible tolerances on CRK knives don't offer any more advantage than the amazing lock strength on CS knives.

Some folks dream of a Bugatti Chiron with 1,500 horsepower. Others fantasize about a Ford Super Duty that can tow 34,000 pounds. No shame in either one, and I don't think there's a right or wrong answer on whether you should admire the toughess of CS knives or the attention to detail that CRK brings to the table.

We're enthusiasts and most of us vastly overbuy our needs. Some do it by carrying folders that are tough beyond anything a folding knife really needs, others buy incredible, wear resistant steels to open the occasional package and break down a box or two. Just the nature of the beast.
 
A while back I was watching videos of Cold Steel comparing the strength of their triad lock vs lock designs from other manufacturers.
I’ll admit, these videos have really bummed me out in a way. I like Cold Steel, I currently own a couple of their machetes, but I have seen locks buckle under pressure much earlier than I expected. I’ll mention a couple that really stand out, Chris Reeve Sebenza and the Hogue compression lock.
These tests disappoint me more with other manufacturers than it encourages me to buy Cold Steel. What are your thoughts on these videos?

These tests really don't matter much.
If a quality knife in proper working order fails on you you're probably doing something wrong.
I think peopl focus on lock strength way too much, but I cant recall ever hearing of a quality locking folder failing under proper use.
 
This.

They go on to say it's about applicability, not validity. And that further strength does NOT add value.

There is more to a folder then how strong the lock is.

Show me a Cold Steel that gives me 4" of flat ground CTS-204p goodness.In a 4.2 ounce, G10, handle of ergonomic bliss.With or without gloves , easy one handed open and close.

Ohhh.... and open construction for easy on the fly cleaning. Cause when your folder can end up like this at work..

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A backlock isn't the best.

Differant needs for differant people.
 
This.

They go on to say it's about applicability, not validity. And that further strength does NOT add value. In terms of value they are showing it to you. Watch this $400 dollar knife lock break compared to ours.

You shouldn't be saying that it's not something applicable that you will never use. They should be saying why is a $400 dollar lock collapsible compared to a $50 dollar lock. Not whether or not you have use for it or what you value it at. If you want true validity. Whether you have a applicable application for that is irrelevant.

Dude, you are talking to the moderator of the slip joint forum. Most of my knives have no lock at all and any gas-station knife will beat them in one of these tests.

If you don't need it, then it is not of value. If an uber-strong lock is what you crave, most of us agree that the Demko lock will likely do it for you. But an uber-strong lock is not value added to us.
 
I think the lock tests are legit. It's just that the extreme strength of knife lock has little bearing on the usefulness of a knife. Once a lock is reliable and is strong enough for its intended purpose, further strength does not add value.

I have a couple of Cold Steel knives. Every once in a while they come up with a design that I like at a good price. But, extreme lock strength has zero input into my purchasing decisions.
To me it's like on a carbon frame bicycle to mount on carbon wheel shafts thick one inch from steel .............. :eek: What I don t like on Cold Steel folder is proportion handle/blade because tri- ad lock .........and all that just to have strongest lock on the planet ?
 
They do a spine whack test as well, that simulates pretty much exactly what you're talking about.

That said, I don't think the tests are rigged or bad, just that they're not terribly important. I think the ambition to build stronger, more reliable locks is great, honestly, and if all other things were equal, I would always pick a locking folder with a stronger, more reliable lock (assuming I was buying a locking folder).

But all other things are never equal and there are a lot of factors that are a lot more important to me than lock strength. Heck, I carry a Hogue EX-01 more than any of my Cold Steel knives and it's more than tough enough, but the lock on it is also much easier to use and more fun than the Triad.

Cold Steel is, pretty literally, playing to their strength. Nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't bother or offend me, just a thing that I note with mild interest, then look at the other properties of the knives that have a lot more impact on my buying decision.

Oh sorry I haven’t seen their videos in a long time. Forgot they did spine whack tests.
 
OK . . .there are others but I'm tired now.
It is way more important to me to be able to use the lock with damaged and bandaged fingers one handed than it is to do combat by bashing my opponent to death with the back of my folding knife blade.

Bottom line : why would I want to drive a nail with the spine of my folding knife blade when I could just use the butt of my 110 ?

Ha-ha. I always enjoy your posts Wowbagger, you certainly have a way with words. I appreciate someone who doesn't take everything so seriously.
 
To me it's like on a carbon frame bicycle to mount on carbon wheel shafts thick one inch from steel .............. :eek: What I don t like on Cold Steel folder is proportion handle/blade because tri- ad lock .........and all that just to have strongest lock on the planet ?
Speaking of things that don't matter, I find blade-to-handle ration to be among the most useless considerations in all of knifedom.
 
I believe they have the strongest locks you can buy on a folding knife. Also, I believe I can get by with a slipjoint for the rest of my life.
I agree with this 100%. Slipjoints work just fine if you use them properly. But if for some reason you feel that you need a folding knife with almost fixed blade strength, then Cold Steel with their Tri-ad lock is the way to go.
 
They go on to say it's about applicability, not validity. And that further strength does NOT add value. In terms of value they are showing it to you. Watch this $400 dollar knife lock break compared to ours.

You shouldn't be saying that it's not something applicable that you will never use. They should be saying why is a $400 dollar lock collapsible compared to a $50 dollar lock. Not whether or not you have use for it or what you value it at. If you want true validity. Whether you have a applicable application for that is irrelevant.
Hey, "they" is Me. Make sure to properly credit your sources or you may not pass the course.

You're getting this all wrong. Again. This has nothing to do with "Cold Steel hatred". I have many Cold Steel knives that rarely make their way into my pocket because, frankly, I have better knives that give me more pleasure to carry and use than any Cold Steel I own. You seem to be stuck on the property of Lock Strength as the defining factor in knife selection hierarchy.

Lock Strength is only one of the factors that I take into consideration when choosing a knife. If it was my only parameter, as apparently it is for you, I'd probably choose Cold Steel as my go-to brand also. There's little disputing the fact that the Triad Lock is probably the strongest production folder lock available.

Lock Strength has to fall in line with all my other factors: Size and weight, handle materials, style, ergonomics, blade steel, cutting ability, ease of use, pride of ownership...those are just a few. Hopefully you understand.

When I evaluate the vast majority of Cold Steel offerings, they simply don't make the cut when knife selection is holistic rather than a process focused on a single property. They're a great brand, but I view them more as an entry drug. As you gain experience as a knife user, you'll find there are other things beyond having a knife with the Incredible Hulk of lock systems. Once lock strength reaches "adequate", it takes a back seat to most other selection criteria.

One other point...
I find it hilarious how the mall ninja company has the best folding lock over all the others. A lot of hate against them is just based on the gear they make and who it's marketed too.
You're wrong again here too. Cold Steel users aren't hated. The hate...wait, no, hate is too strong a word. It's more like distaste. Y'know, when the milks gone bad and you can't decide whether to spit or swallow? Anyway, the distaste isn't toward the customer, it's toward the marketer. For many reasons Cold Steel marketing and business practices are less than ideal and a little bit of a joke. We have no general disdain for mall ninjas...until they tell us the best knife is the one with the strongest lock.

Good luck in your knife endeavors!
 
Speaking of things that don't matter, I find blade-to-handle ration to be among the most useless considerations in all of knifedom.
They're masters of he niche market those cold steel fellas. If you don't care about blade to handle ratio, but do care about crazy lock strength you can get one of these!

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I agree though. A good knife is a good knife. I don't know why that particular number would make any real difference.
 
They're masters of he niche market those cold steel fellas. If you don't care about blade to handle ratio, but do care about crazy lock strength you can get one of these!

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I agree though. A good knife is a good knife. I don't know why that particular number would make any real difference.
A two handed grip is vital to me when cutting up an apple.:D
 
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