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WTF Phil? I thought you locked this? I'll suggest you lock it again. You look like a complete jerk in your responses.
Just so you know, they have certain pills that you can take that might help you with your condition. You got your money, Nick got the knife (finally), say you're sorry, lock this thread, grow up, and try to move on.
Just so you know, they have certain pills that you can take that might help you with your condition. You got your money, Nick got the knife (finally), say you're sorry, lock this thread, grow up, and try to move on.
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Peeps...lets keep the personal attacks out of this rolling train wreck. HRK edit this post..its also out of line.
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I originally locked this thread because it did not look like Mr. Santos was going to respond, and I saw no reason to keep beating on him. Then he started e-mailing everyone involved asking them to edit his name out of their posts. After reconsidering the thread, and consulting one of the moderators, I chose to reopen this thread and I will stand by it. The ancillary benefit to Mr. Santos was that those who had posted to this thread could edit their posts. This point is now moot, however.
People complain when a thread is closed. People complain when a thread is still open. Ultimately, this one is going to remain open until it outlives its usefulness. Its purpose is to make sure all involved know what they're getting into when they do business with either Mr. Santos or me. Wether that is positive or negative is up to the reader, and I am entirely comfortable with whatever judgment you make.
Anyone who buys anything from me can rest assured he will get what he bought in the condition it was described. To date, I have never failed to complete a transaction. In the case of my last batch of sales there was a shipping delay, about which most people were reasonable. Mr. Santos was not reasonable, in my opinion, and to the contrary, was actively unreasonable. That is why I started this thread.
If you believe the way Mr. Santos chose to interact with me, based on my actions and my responses to his e-mails, was reasonable and correct, then no, you should not do business with me, because our ideas of what is reasonable conduct in a sales transaction obviously differ.
People complain when a thread is closed. People complain when a thread is still open. Ultimately, this one is going to remain open until it outlives its usefulness. Its purpose is to make sure all involved know what they're getting into when they do business with either Mr. Santos or me. Wether that is positive or negative is up to the reader, and I am entirely comfortable with whatever judgment you make.
Anyone who buys anything from me can rest assured he will get what he bought in the condition it was described. To date, I have never failed to complete a transaction. In the case of my last batch of sales there was a shipping delay, about which most people were reasonable. Mr. Santos was not reasonable, in my opinion, and to the contrary, was actively unreasonable. That is why I started this thread.
If you believe the way Mr. Santos chose to interact with me, based on my actions and my responses to his e-mails, was reasonable and correct, then no, you should not do business with me, because our ideas of what is reasonable conduct in a sales transaction obviously differ.
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RIP Dann, you were a good guy.
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Ok...EVERYBODY needs to behave and treat eachother with respect, or else I'll start handing out infractions.:grumpy:.
BTW...I DID have a "dog in this fight", as I bought a knife from Phil that took alittle longer than expected to arrive to me, but it DID arrive, and is worth evey penny I paid him for it. Phil IS a good guy "in my book".
BTW...I DID have a "dog in this fight", as I bought a knife from Phil that took alittle longer than expected to arrive to me, but it DID arrive, and is worth evey penny I paid him for it. Phil IS a good guy "in my book".
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Opening, and then closing a thread within a day because you thought the other guy was not going to reply here?
Huh?
Hell, sometimes even a good fiber supplement takes longer than 24 hours to respond.
Price of the knife should have little bearing on conduct during a deal, imho.
Thought it was an unwritten rule here about not publishing personal correspondence until it is a last resort?
Perhaps I am wrong...
Also, not everyone here is using their forum ID and sig line to advertise/promote their personal businesses and FreshlyChopped has requested to not to have his personal info shared, a couple of times.
Seller chose to deal with a new member... he was not required to.
A preemptive negative feedback, if that is indeed the case here, based on some anxious testy emails inquiring about shipping status and not on a timely payment should never have been left, imo.
Opening, and then closing a thread within a day because you thought the other guy was not going to reply here?
Huh?
Hell, sometimes even a good fiber supplement takes longer than 24 hours to respond.
Price of the knife should have little bearing on conduct during a deal, imho.
Thought it was an unwritten rule here about not publishing personal correspondence until it is a last resort?
Perhaps I am wrong...
Also, not everyone here is using their forum ID and sig line to advertise/promote their personal businesses and FreshlyChopped has requested to not to have his personal info shared, a couple of times.
Seller chose to deal with a new member... he was not required to.
A preemptive negative feedback, if that is indeed the case here, based on some anxious testy emails inquiring about shipping status and not on a timely payment should never have been left, imo.
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That is not what happened.
I left him negative feedback based on a disrespectful, abusive exchange in which he informed me he was going to leave negative feedback for me, among other insults, after I first made every effort to make the transaction right by him. He still received his knife and, additionally, he received an item he did not pay for in an attempt to compensate him for the delay.
I didn't leave him a negative feedback based on the threat. This isn't even about the fact that he complained. It's about the way he went about it; it's about the disrespect with which he treated me. I won't stand for it.
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These were not PMs. These e-mails were also the whole foundation for the disagreement. If I had simply said, "Nicholas W. Santos was abusive to me," you would not be in a position to judge the situation for yourself as you now are.
I did, however, consult both of the moderators of this very forum regarding my original post, not long after making it.
I did, however, consult both of the moderators of this very forum regarding my original post, not long after making it.
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Was that before or after you told him to go fuck himself?
For me. . . .
1. Posting PMs and emails is uncalled for.
2. Not posting "all" of the emails = chicken shit.
3. Posting the other persons info, including his real name, is completely unnecessary.
I wouldn't enter into a traction with Sharp Phil if my life depended on it !
1. Posting PMs and emails is uncalled for.
2. Not posting "all" of the emails = chicken shit.
3. Posting the other persons info, including his real name, is completely unnecessary.
I wouldn't enter into a traction with Sharp Phil if my life depended on it !
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Ren, that's about the funniest thing I have read all day, you saying a post is out of line!!!!!!!
Phil, if he called you sir or Mister would that have worked? Time for some Xanax, huh???
My long-standing dislike of you is due to PRECISELY the bullshit attitude you display here. I think you ought be entirely grateful for the folks who are standing up for you here, since you currently display the sense and manners of a farm animal.
I don't look for you to put your foot up your ass. You do so all by yourself, why would I look for it, other than the humor?
Phil, you don't have the luxury of determining whether or not he ought to be rude when by your own admission you really and truly screwed the pooch on this entire transaction.
You do not get "your" principles when you keep him waiting for a month. Are you that fucking dense that you cannot fathom this? If he got rude, so be it. If he got impatient, so be it. YOU are the cause of this entire situation, and if you had a genuine emergency, hey, we have all been in that boat, but not many have the audacity to come out and blame the other guy.
And as for the other guy behaving reasonably, gotta tell ya, if you had my money for a month and no product, I do not HAVE to be reasonable. YOU need to deliver, eat crow, suck it up and be a fucking MAN about it. Which means in that situation
You Accept that you screwed up. Acceptance means you just accept it. You have no defense for it.
If you do not like my/ his attitude, you Sit Down, Shut Up and hit Refund. You simply refund the money, and you send a NICE note of apology. You do not have to mean it, but you need to do it if the transaction is so awful that it causes you this sort of pain.
You then keep your little bitch mouth shut about it since YOU caused the situation. You do NOT go around blabbing that the guy your mistake inconvenienced is a bad guy. Read this paragraph a few times, then think about hitting Reply.
Anything else is demonstrative of a sociopathic ego and you need help. There is a lovely post about that in this thread, which I assume you did not read since you failed to address it in a pedantic and smarmy self-involved manner.
Now, do you require any further explanation about any of this, or is this sufficiently vivid that you can understand the points contained herein?
This so far and where it's going is not going to be good for Phil.
I understand having personal problems hinder your responsibility but that isn't the buyer's problem however it seems he waited for a long while before he became 'abusive/rude/etc' (so called) which is not so bad of him. I have been more aggressive in response to being jerked around compared to Freshlychopped (yeah, I don't think I like my real name being bandied about) so he is IMO actually relatively patient.
And by the way, those who treat a lesser valued trade/sales/business as being inferior or deserving less service and etc is not very nice. Many times you said words to the effect of 'it's only 30 bucks' but does that mean it is deserving of less importance?
I understand having personal problems hinder your responsibility but that isn't the buyer's problem however it seems he waited for a long while before he became 'abusive/rude/etc' (so called) which is not so bad of him. I have been more aggressive in response to being jerked around compared to Freshlychopped (yeah, I don't think I like my real name being bandied about) so he is IMO actually relatively patient.
And by the way, those who treat a lesser valued trade/sales/business as being inferior or deserving less service and etc is not very nice. Many times you said words to the effect of 'it's only 30 bucks' but does that mean it is deserving of less importance?
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What ever... it is still a personal correspondence that was posted (edited to boot).
Foundation?
Case?
Judge?
Johnny Cochrane is rolling over with laughter, pounding on the inside of his buried casket to get out and just wishing he could rise up to help you try this case SP...
Betwix the moral outrage you have suffered, umbrage to your personal creed, and humiliation he may have even be able to recoup punitive damages double the retail cost of said knife, exhibit A.
In all seriousness, why do you continue to use his name when he has repeatedly asked that you do not?
Firstly let me say I have the utmost respect for Phil. His site is the reason I'm into knives and because of it have met some of the most honorable people from all over the world.
Phil bro you messed up. Feeling get hurt all the time, and that's why you gotta have a thick skin. When I mess up I apologize and I apologize and guess what I apologize some more. My fault and I need to act like a man, and a man will admit to his mistakes and move on.
Simply just apologize to the buyer and the people of this forum, and end this conversation like a man.
take care bro and apologize and put it behind you.
aj
p.s people are very forgiving just give them a chance
Phil bro you messed up. Feeling get hurt all the time, and that's why you gotta have a thick skin. When I mess up I apologize and I apologize and guess what I apologize some more. My fault and I need to act like a man, and a man will admit to his mistakes and move on.
Simply just apologize to the buyer and the people of this forum, and end this conversation like a man.
take care bro and apologize and put it behind you.
aj
p.s people are very forgiving just give them a chance
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