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I don´t know either of the two parties involved here, but I had a measure of respect for Phil because I thought the stuff he wrote was quite interesting.

After hearing both sides of the argument though, I´m inclined to side with Freshlychopped though. From what´s been posted here, it seems that he remained civil all along, albeit unrelenting. But I´ve been in a situation like he was, with a seller not communicating, then coming up with excuses. I´m still out $100 on that transaction, with no hopes of ever recovering my money. So I can understand that one becomes much less tolerant in such matters.

Phil, on his side, had a bitter pill to swallow. Personal emergency plus unhappy customers. But those are the hands that life deals you and there´s nothing you can do excet swallow your pride. What Phil did was indeed unprofessional and gives me the impression that he has, at least currently, a short fuse. And hey, that´s fine, but do realize that people will be less inclined to buy from you if you have that kind of reputation.

Just stop digging that hole now, no good will come of it.
 
Ankar Sheng said:
Was that before or after you told him to go fuck himself?
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Me telling him to go eff himself was the end of the interaction, so before.

Parker said:
My long-standing dislike of you is due to PRECISELY the bullshit attitude you display here...
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Your long-standing dislike of me is your problem, not mine, and has nothing to do with anything I've actually said or done. It's your hang-up.

Cotherion said:
This so far and where it's going is not going to be good for Phil.
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It's not going anywhere. I experienced a delay in shipping; he complained; I offered to compensate him; he refused; I shipped his knife; he made yet another in what was a long serious of obnoxious, rude, disrespectful e-mails; I told him to go eff himself and made it public as a warning to anyone who chooses to deal with him.

You're free to conclude you don't want to deal with me; that's what this forum exists to do. It's a free market.

aj1985 said:
Firstly let me say I have the utmost respect for Phil. His site is the reason I'm into knives and because of it have met some of the most honorable people from all over the world.


Phil bro you messed up. Feeling get hurt all the time, and that's why you gotta have a thick skin. When I mess up I apologize and I apologize and guess what I apologize some more. My fault and I need to act like a man, and a man will admit to his mistakes and move on.

Simply just apologize to the buyer and the people of this forum, and end this conversation like a man.

take care bro and apologize and put it behind you.
aj

p.s people are very forgiving just give them a chance
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Thank you. I understand where you're coming from. I also, however, stand by what I've posted here.
 
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Buyer may have overreacted due to a recent slew of bad luck with other transactions. His overreaction was not even very serious IMO. He just got a little impatient. Not too unusual after a delay of two weeks post payment. As others have stated the value of the knife is hardly relevant. Monetary amounts for different people are relative. A sawbuck ($10 bill) probably means a lot more to me than it does to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. Judging by his reaction or slight overreaction the buyer sounds like he MIGHT be a younger person. Hopefully he will learn to be more patient. The seller, SharpPhil, may have been adversely impacted emotionally by whatever his emergency was that caused the delay. His reaction was way out of line in my opinion. Buyer becomes impatient, pisses Phil off, so Phil ends up sending a profanity laiden email including telling the buyer to go @#$% himself. That is just ridiculous and uncalled for. For someone who seems to think he is the bigger/better man here I would suggest to Phil that he take some time away to cool off maybe a day or two, maybe a week or two and then re-examine HIS behavior and HIS attitude here and reconsider offering an apology. To fail to do so would indicate that he is as unreasonable and closed-minded as most of his posts in this thread would suggest. I count myself as one who will likely choose not to deal with SharpPhil in the future unless he makes an effort to apologize to this buyer. -dttomcat
 
I don't think it was uncalled for at all. He crossed the line and I told him off. I treat everyone with the respect they give me; had he been able to deal with me like a human being and not a condescending jerk, I'd have done the same for him.

Everybody gets the same chance with me.
 
Had you kept him updated instead of being in limbo for most of the time then it wouldn't be like this is what I feel. He had to find out after contacting you after being kept in the dark. You had time to make a vid but not a update to the buyer?.

To find out in one of the occasion that the delay was cause of the address issue he was understandably upset. You could have told him once you faced this problem instead of him finding out by asking you. You had time to make a vid but make time to keep ur buyers updated?

Whatever he may be he was ok with waiting for so long (during the early stage). I believe that if he was kept updated and if you asked for understanding (in a humble way) then he would have treated you more kindly/friendly. Those who said 'no worries Phil' or 'don't worry take ur time Phil' (words to that effect) may know you but not everyone knows you. It is not the fault of him being a recent member nor is it any less serious cause it's a 30 buck knife.

However it is obvious that you do not feel at all to blame for this. I hope this all turns out well. I do enjoy your insights/reviews/videos in the net except when you are harsh in some posts in Bladeforums.

PS: If the tables are turned and Freshlychopped kept you in the dark when he could have at any time made a small message to you to keep you updated then I can imagine you are gonna be angry with him.
 
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I did not keep him in limbo. I kept him updated and responded to every one one of his e-mails promptly.

Once again, let me emphasize that this dispute is not about the fact that he complained about the shipping delay. Other buyers complained and I compensated them, and gladly. This dispute is based solely on the fact that he chose to treat me in a disrespectful, obnoxious fashion, even after I made every effort to make things right with him. I will not be threatened. I will not be disrespected. I will respond accordingly.

If the tables were turned and I did not receive a knife I paid for, I would have sent a message that said, "Hey, just checking on that knife." Were he to have responded as I did to him, I would have said, "It's cool, man. Ship when you can." I've had plenty of sellers who were slow to ship to me. Rarely have I ever bothered to contact them unless I was worried that the item had gone missing, and I have always been respectful and friendly in my correspondence.
 
Phil, my dislike of you is not a problem. Not in the slightest. It just makes it all the more enjoyable when you keep climbing back in the barrel for us.

However, it seems as though the rest of what I posted above made it's way in and touched a little nerve, as normally you'd post some sort of long-winded explanation/ retort demonstrating your intellectual and moral superiority. Good, progress is being made.

What the hell, I've an excellent stock in the liquor cabinet with which to amuse myself this weekend while we go back and forth on this, and Ego is an EXPENSIVE proposition, pal, a lot more so when you are short the currency to back it up. The currency here looks like credibility, and you're WAY short and have been since you opened your yap on page one.

So, how you wanna play this? lock it up again? imagined superiority? or just man up about it?

Or you can continue to insist it was you who was wronged, and keep just climbing back into the barrel when it seems each post but your own offers you a way out.

Either way, I'll smile about it all weekend.
 
Sharp Phil said:
I did not keep him in limbo. I kept him updated and responded to every one one of his e-mails promptly.

Once again, let me emphasize that this dispute is not about the fact that he complained about the shipping delay. Other buyers complained and I compensated them, and gladly. This dispute is based solely on the fact that he chose to treat me in a disrespectful, obnoxious fashion, even after I made every effort to make things right with him.
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Did you keep him updated or did you simply respond to his emails? There is a difference, I think. You obviously had time to post here and on YouTube which would mean you also had access to a computer. Perhaps a simple two minute email to the buyer once every three or four days and all of this could've been avoided.

Could you explain how it was that he "chose to treat [you] in a disrespectful, obnoxious fashion". I've read this entire thread and all I've seen is him being somewhat impatient and difficult and you being disrespectful and obnoxious at the end. I commend you for throwing in the sheath. Most good sellers, when confronted with a disgruntled buyer, apologize vehemently first and foremost and then sometimes toss in a little something extra to try to appease the buyer. But you have acted like you did nothing wrong at all during the transaction in question and that the sheath itself should be more than sufficient for this person's worry and waiting. I think a sincere "sorry for the delay" and a simple explanation would have gone much further. At the very least you exhibited poor communication with this buyer. You expect the buyer to understand that you had some problems but seem deadset against even beginning to consider the other parties point of view. And also the email snippets of his that you posted do not show anything other than his impatience and being a little ticked off. You on the other hand have shown a severe lack of understanding and respect to him. JMHO, of course. I know you have your supporters. I have never really taken issue with anything that you've posted on these forums and I usually hold my tongue here in G,B,&U but I could not help myself this time. Hopefully you will see the light. -DT
 
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Folks, this thread needs to remain on topic.

The rhetoric being spewed by a few of you is irrelevant to this thread, and is just hateful towards Phil.

If this hateful rhetoric continues, the individuals involved will not like the infractions that wil be issued.
 
Ritt said:
Not for nothing, Phil, but you really ought to lock this down and let it die. This thread does not reflect well on you.
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I guess I'll be banned, but to tell someone to "f" themselves that paid you? I thought about buying some things from this "Phil" but am glad
I didn't. There are alot of good guys here to deal with, why take the
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this is weird....

the fella that sent payment in a timely manner...is the bad guy
 
There should be a rule that a members personal information can not be posted without the members explicit permission.

Violation of this rule should lead to infractions.

I find it very discourteous that the OP has continued to do so when asked numerous times not to by the affected party and by third parties.

Why is this allowed to continue?
 
IMHO.........being "rude" after paying for a item & not receiving it in short order is no reason to be put through this & called out
 
I'm not sure everybody is completely understanding what Phil is trying to say here. All he is trying to say is that this seller got impatient and rude and if you do not want to deal with impatient and rude people, don't sell the guy a knife. If you are going to be rude, then don't buy a knife from Phil...it's quite simple really.

Phil never once blamed the buyer for anything other then being rude. He wasn't trying to come across as the good guy, Phil completely admitted that he was in the wrong with the delay in the shipment and tried to make it up to the buyer in any reasonable way possible. All he has stated in this thread was that after he offered a refund, or offered for the buyer to suggest an appropriate compensation for his wasted time, the buyer was condescending and rude. Not only that, but after Phil did send the package, the buyer continued with the same attitude. Not something I'd enjoy dealing with either, if I had the choice.

There was no reason for the buyer to become rude. It's fine if he was short with Phil, or displeased, but Phil made it clear that he was doing everything he could to make up for his mistake and the buyer continues to be offensive.

So Phil was obviously in the wrong with the shipping delay but these things happen sometimes, unavoidable circumstances occur that makes that knife sale drop a few rungs in your list of priorities. Rude, abrasive behavior on the other hand is avoidable, and in this situation was completely unwarranted.

The good, bad, the ugly forum is a place to share your experiences. Some people will be greatful to know that the buyer acted in this way, and others will be happy to know that Phil is acting how he is now. If somebody avoids either one of those people based on this thread then it served a purpose and has every right to be in the GB&U.
 
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