cckw doesn't stand behind his words

pwet said:
please gentlemen what has it to do with international ?

i don't understand why the fundamentals of a good transaction should change when a good crosses a frontier. is there any good reason for that ? france is no third world, we have postal services, not the fastest in the world but as reliable as anywhere else. i've been buying knives for years, from japan, from USA, from europe, i've had very late delivery but beside this one only one loss, and the seller (US) ate the loss like it should be done, like i would do if i ever have a lost parcel coming from me.

any way, as much as i disagree with this method, if he had clearly stated that i had to assume all the risk i would probably have chosen a fully insured postage. and the situation would not be what it is .... but please ... is this the best path really ?
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Well yes, it is always spelled out in advance. My sale threads have it (and its re-iterated over email) and, in trade, I spell it out as well. The other side of the trade ALWAYS gets some proof that the item went out,

The reason for doing this is that a relatively large number of packages are stolen by customs upon entry into the country (this happens relatively frequently in the EU).

If its spelled out in advance then what is the problem with the policy? It seems to me that if you don't like the policy in advance of the trade then its your prerogative not to trade to with me. Point is that you know exactly where you stand.
 
cckw said:
You did not ask for insurance you opted save on import tax. Invested a huge amount of time in trying to recover this package. At one point even sent you a photo of my phone showing more then an hour on hold and the number could be googled to confirm it was the postal claim where lost packages are sent. ESAV investigated and after viewing the string of e-mail and tracking info, said he had no problem with my part of this transaction. You have been stalking me ever since. I had to put your e-mail address on my spam list.
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Why don't you post said tracking info and put this thing to bed...?
 
i'm on the phone right now with cckw and i have no reason not to believe what he stated above. i think pwet is wanting cckw to take a loss instead of him. i have talked to him enough on the phone to know he is not going to bs me. you chose not to go the more expensive route. he sent the knife the way you wanted it sent to save on the import tax.
 
Thanks to Richard J who was concerned enough to call em about this post.

For everyones FYI: this was sent in a small priority box. I learned that the postal system treats those like an envelope and they are commonly not scanned within the system so when they disappear you have no idea where to look. One thing the OP didn't put in the e-mails he quoted was that I was face to face with the operations manager at the Omaha post office trying to find it. Even he could find nothing to indicate where it went off the rails. So consider this in using the small flat rate box. I no longer use it.

ESAV previously reviewed this tracking info



Summary of Label # LJ 538 115 908 US




SCAN Form #


01/17/2011 188080542 LJ 538 115 908 US
Track & Confirm n/a Credit Card Charged




( Edit name )
36xx xxxelleDR
COUNCIL BLFS, IA 51501

LOUIS xxxxRD
RExxxxxxx LE xxxOI
(xxxeven protect his info)
MARSEILLE
FRANCE
Ref#: s90v
Weight: 0 lbs. 9 oz.
Shipping Date: 01/17/2011
ZIP Code™: 51501
EEL Code: NOEEI 30.37(a)




Service Option: Priority Mail International Small Flat Rate Box Price: $13.25








Label Total: $13.25
 
cckw said:
Thanks to Richard J who was concerned enough to call em about this post.

For everyones FYI: this was sent in a small priority box. I learned that the postal system treats those like an envelope and they are commonly not scanned within the system so when they disappear you have no idea where to look. One thing the OP didn't put in the e-mails he quoted was that I was face to face with the operations manager at the Omaha post office trying to find it. Even he could find nothing to indicate where it went off the rails. So consider this in using the small flat rate box. I no longer use it.

ESAV previously reviewed this tracking info



Summary of Label # LJ 538 115 908 US




SCAN Form #


01/17/2011 188080542 LJ 538 115 908 US
Track & Confirm n/a Credit Card Charged




( Edit name )
36xx xxxelleDR
COUNCIL BLFS, IA 51501

LOUIS xxxxRD
RExxxxxxx LE xxxOI
(xxxeven protect his info)
MARSEILLE
FRANCE
Ref#: s90v
Weight: 0 lbs. 9 oz.
Shipping Date: 01/17/2011
ZIP Code™: 51501
EEL Code: NOEEI 30.37(a)




Service Option: Priority Mail International Small Flat Rate Box Price: $13.25








Label Total: $13.25
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The plot thickens...

Well done sir.
 
Well, if he didnt want insurance, it's *his* problem, I acknowledge that. No option of tracking and commiting a crime (tax evasion) is why I personally always opt for insurance with the correct value. If someone doesn't, they take the risk of the package getting lost, I agree with you there.

So, it boils down to this - did you (pwet) ask for insurance or not?

Anyhow, that still leaves cckw with selling 3 Paramilitary with the intent to make profit. You should get a dealer-membership, shouldn't you?
 
richardallen, what makes the difference if he does have 3 paramilitarys to sell. a person can only use 1 knife at a time :p. (or you are one of the gods from india that have 8 arms :D) plus what does that have to do with this thread :rolleyes:?
 
richardallen said:
Well, ,,,,,

Anyhow, that still leaves cckw with selling 3 Paramilitary with the intent to make profit. You should get a dealer-membership, shouldn't you?
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You have over a thousand posts as a free member. Go pay for a basic membership for yourself before being a cry baby that the paying members make a profit.
 
cckw said:
Thanks to Richard J who was concerned enough to call em about this post
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Richard J's a good guy, I'd take his word. If Esav has given it his blessing and pwet declined insurance specifically, it seems this one is solved.
 
cckw said:
You have over a thousand posts as a free member. Go pay for a basic membership for yourself before being a cry baby that the paying members make a profit.
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You have a point there.

I'd like to explain my reasoning though - I did not get a membership so far because last time I checked (it has been a while though, maybe that changed), memberships for non-US members were more expensive just because. Given todays means of easy money transfer worldwide, I viewed that as "I dont want your money if you're not from the US". I did not and still dont see why I should pay more simply because I am outside of the US.
 
Cut and Pasted from BF Site:

Our automated membership service utilizes a feature known as the Address Verification System, or AVS for short.

How it works:

•You enter your billing information on the credit card form, and submit it to our gateway.
•Our gateway queries your bank to see if this information matches what they have on file.
•If yes, your membership is processed.
•If no, the charge is rejected / declined.
Since most Non-US based banks do not use Address Verification, 99.99999% of all non-US memberships will not go through using the automated membership service. As a result, we have to enter your information manually; which is why it costs more. Sorry.

You are welcome to try it, but if your credit card declines and your membership fails to activate, that is why.


The key word is "automated" as "automation" allows us to streamline our processes. Non-US memberships that cannot go through our automated system require manual action on the part of our staff. This includes:

•Manually reviewing the order
•Checking to make sure there actually is a username that matches up with the account
•Turning off our address verification system
•Running the charge(s)
•Activating the membership
•Changing the account status
•Turning back on the address verification system
•Notification of the customer.

Needless to say, this is a pain in the ass. So, when we introduced the automated system, we were able to eliminate the manual processing the wasted so much time, and offered a discount to the customers who are able to use this new system. Those who cannot use the automated system get charged the older manual prices.

You may also notice that there is no option for Basic Memberships under the old system. It was determined that there was not enough demand to warrant a basic membership option for international customers & a waste of manpower under the non-automated system, as such it is not available. If you are able to use the automated subscription system, you are welcome to purchase a basic membership; if not, you have our apologies.
 
richardallen said:
You have a point there.

I'd like to explain my reasoning though - I did not get a membership so far because last time I checked (it has been a while though, maybe that changed), memberships for non-US members were more expensive just because. Given todays means of easy money transfer worldwide, I viewed that as "I dont want your money if you're not from the US". I did not and still dont see why I should pay more simply because I am outside of the US.
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OK, so go pay for a membership and come back and whine about the other knives I have sold for a profit. I'll bet there are at least a dozen others.
 
i have the whole e mail conversation saved, ESAV had a copy of it, i send him and email yesterday with probably the whole 94 mails copied and pasted. i asked for insurance in the third mail. if esav hasn't deleted the first mail i sent him, he has it from 3 month ago so no one can say i edited this to make you lie ....

but ok that's fine. there's no glory in lying like you do. plain od lies.

and just for fun i'll send Richard J the complete whole conversation so he can check how things went as he seems to want to moderate the thing.
 
here we go, you can still say that i edited the emails, you know very well that no one can prove anything, except esav if he didn't erase the first mail he received late april. will you say that i already faked the mails late april in prevision ????

PLEASE EVERYONE CHECK THE FIRST MAIL BELOW


From: cckw@cox.net
To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
Subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:35:52 -0600

Priority does have insurance. Are you familiar with the tax on buying outside your country. most Europeans do not want to pay that so have a value of like $40. The first $100 is included in the postage after that is is like $1.30 per $100 of value. I can do either way it is up to you because it is your savings vs. risk.

PayPal is cckw@cox.net the name on the account is Jennifer Allen

Curtis

----- Original Message -----
From: louis hezard
To: cckw@cox.net
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: S90v para, shipping

awesome !

is there any insurance on the priority mail ???? if so i'll go with that.

can i have your paypal adress please?


thank you very much,

best regards, louis hezard.

> From: cckw@cox.net
> To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
> Subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:02:27 -0600
>
> I still have it and can send to France. Priority mail is $13 but not
> trackable once it leaves the USA. Express/ EMS is $32 but sometimes the
> tracking info is not updated very fast after it leaves the USA . It is up
> to you, I have sent both ways. My paypal is cckw@cox.net I can list
> customs value at whatever amount you wish.
>
> Curtis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pwet @ BladeForums.com" <louis.hezard@hotmail.fr>
> To: <cckw@cox.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:49 AM
> Subject: S90v para, shipping
>
>
>
> This is a message from pwet at BladeForums.com (
> http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/index.php ). The BladeForums.com owners
> cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.
>
> To email pwet, you can use this online form:
> http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=241858
>
> OR, by email:
> mailto:louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
>
> This is the message:
>
> hi,
>
> if your para isn't sold yet i'd like to know if you can ship to france ?
>
> if possible let me know the actual shipping rates, usps insured & tracked,
> i'll take it.
>
> thanks, best regards,
>
> louis hezard aka pwet.
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again i have EVERY SINGLE MAILS EXCHANGED saved and i'll send it to whoever wants to review the whole 90 and some change mails.
 
cckw said:

Here is the tracking # LJ 538 115 908 US as pulled from an e-mail to the OP. funny how he omitted that from his e-mail quotes
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what is that supposed to prove ? where did i stated you didn't gave me tracking, IIRC i talked about tracking in the first page when i said the tracking doesn't show the parcel leaving USA ? right ?

don't understand where you're going here ?


and anyway check this again. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/744662-***-Mailing-Security

i kinda understood that this was the "official" guidelines for good behavior in the exchange. do you think you match this ?

[quote="Esav Benyamin]We have a tradition here that no deal is final until both parties are satisfied. Not everyone understands or subscribes to it, but everyone understands a contract.

If you send someone money for a purchase or you send them goods as a trade, they owe you the goods you agreed to in return. Period.


This has nothing to do with insurance, delivery confirmation, or signature required -- those are just postal services to reassure the sender that his interests will be protected.

Whether or not he chooses to use them, he still owes you the goods you paid or traded for. If he doesn't get his half of the deal to you, he owes you a full refund.

It doesn't matter if the goods were lost in transit, stolen from your doorstep, or fell out of a poorly packed container. Until you get yours, he owes you. Even if the loss is not his fault.

That's why he owes it to himself to buy insurance, delivery confirmation, and signature required. Considering the high dollar value of many Busse transactions, Express Mail or Registered Mail would be an even better idea. But that's not the buyer's decision to make, since secure delivery is the seller's responsibility in every case.


Except one, of course. We recently even had a member overseas who said putting insurance on a package going to his country is the same as putting a "steal me" sign on it. If for whatever reason the buyer insists on the cheapest, least securely packaged, no extra services mailing method, then you can tell him it's his problem if nothing arrives.[/quote]

and to be honest as i already stated, i had dropped the idea of getting any cash back long ago, i continued the emails to see what you where going to do and the only reason that made me post this is this phrase

Not knowing the screwy rules of the postal system I don't feel so guilty about, even the people who work there do not know a lot of the odd ones. However, I have been thinking that I sold you the knife for more then I paid, and refunding the profit amount has been on my mind.
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AND AGAIN LIKE I SAID, YES I CHOSE THE CHEAPEST SHIPPING TO SAVE MONEY BECAUSE YOU GAVE ME THE CHOICE, YES I DIDN'T CHOSE TO PAY AN EXTRA FOR INSURANCE BECAUSE I WAS ALREADY SPENDING NEAR 300$ THAT DOESN'T LOWER YOUR RESPONSABILITY
 
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You tell cckw if there's insurance on the priority shipping you will take that method.

He tells you there's $100 included but more coverage will cost based on the value of the package.

What was your response to that? Print that email. If you told him you would take it shipped with the $100 coverage and sent your payment then you knew that's what you were getting and that's all you would be entitled to from a postal claim, assuming it was investigated and paid out. If you did not ask cckw to insure it for more than that how can you claim you're owed more?

Edited to add: did you read the last paragraph of the quoted material? The part regarding if the buyer chooses to have it shipped cheaply with minimal coverage.
 
richard j said:
i'm on the phone right now with cckw and i have no reason not to believe what he stated above. i think pwet is wanting cckw to take a loss instead of him. i have talked to him enough on the phone to know he is not going to bs me. you chose not to go the more expensive route. he sent the knife the way you wanted it sent to save on the import tax.
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ho look who is friend with cckw ???

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/226638-cckw

i think partial people should stay out of the debate please
 
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