cckw doesn't stand behind his words

[Jaxx]

The buyer paid $13 shipping for a small flat rate box and got a low customs value as most Europeans do because of their high tax rates. He did not pay for insurance. I did not pay for insurance. I did not collect insurance because there is no insurance. I provide proof that I sent it. No one has disputed that the knife was properly sent. The receipt I posted previously shows there is no insurance purchased. Since it is France there is not the little bit of automatic insurance that sometimes exists. See? No insurance money to give the guy

323 Priority Mail International Insurance
323.1 Description
For a fee, the sender may purchase insurance to protect against loss, damage, or missing contents for Priority Mail International parcels containing merchandise. Insurance may not be purchased for Priority Mail International Flat Rate Envelopes or Small Flat Rate Priced Boxes. Compensation varies according to the fee paid. For parcels delivered to the addressee in damaged condition or with missing contents, payment is made to the addressee unless the addressee waives payment, in writing, in favor of the sender.

323.2 Availability
Insurance is available only for Priority Mail International parcels and only to certain countries. See Individual Country Listings. Insurance is not available the Priority Mail International Flat Rate Envelopes or Small Flat Rate Priced Boxes

http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc3_007.htm

For the record, there is no included insurance for Priority Intl. Small Flat Rate Boxes, and there is no available insurance to purchase for Priority Intl. Small Flat Rate boxes...

Even though you stated to pwet in an email:

From: cckw@cox.net
To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
Subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:35:52 -0600

Priority does have insurance. Are you familiar with the tax on buying outside your country. most Europeans do not want to pay that so have a value of like $40. The first $100 is included in the postage after that is is like $1.30 per $100 of value. I can do either way it is up to you because it is your savings vs. risk.

PayPal is cckw@cox.net the name on the account is Jennifer Allen

Curtis

I may be of the minority opinion here...but it seems that since you gave bad advice, obviously without checking, you should be on the hook for $100. The Buyer originally wanted insurance. You pretty much talked him out of it, claiming that it would be partially insured with $100 insurance included in the postage price, which is not the case with Priority Intl. mail, let alone the Small Flat Rate box, which one can't even purchase any (ETA: optional) insurance on.

 

[Jester60]

I don't have a dog in this hunt but, and while I'm admittedly a bit confused, it would seem to me that PWET is indeed due the basic $100 insurance he was told he was buying for his $13 shipping charge.

If the seller made an assumption about insurance on Small Flat Rate boxes shipped Internationally and turns out he's wrong, he should cover the amount he told the buyer was included in the shipping charges. If the shipper found out there was no insurance and shipped it anyway without consulting with the buyer first, he should refund all the money paid. If he found out there was no insurance, contacted the buyer with that info before shipping, and the buyer said ship it anyway, then the seller has done his part and owes the buyer nothing.

Everyone should learn their lesson ... repeat after me ... NEVER assume! We all know the 'ASS out of U and Me' routine. Never use PayPal gift unless it's to a close friend or relative.

Just my opinion ... and you know the old saying about opinions.

Jester60

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Never cut corners.

Never use PayPal Gift for purchases.

Always declare true value and use a reliable, if expensive, postal or other mailing service.

 

[cckw]

I don't have a dog in this hunt but, and while I'm admittedly a bit confused, it would seem to me that PWET is indeed due the basic $100 insurance he was told he was buying for his $13 shipping charge.

If the seller made an assumption about insurance on Small Flat Rate boxes shipped Internationally and turns out he's wrong, he should cover the amount he told the buyer was included in the shipping charges. If the shipper found out there was no insurance and shipped it anyway without consulting with the buyer first, he should refund all the money paid. If he found out there was no insurance, contacted the buyer with that info before shipping, and the buyer said ship it anyway, then the seller has done his part and owes the buyer nothing.

Everyone should learn their lesson ... repeat after me ... NEVER assume! We all know the 'ASS out of U and Me' routine. Never use PayPal gift unless it's to a close friend or relative.

Just my opinion ... and you know the old saying about opinions.

Jester60

He posted e-mail chosen by him to show what he wanted to show. I didn't read it to see if he made any changes because the basic facts are basic facts. any emotional favor he can gain by making private conversation public does not matter to me. I blocked this guys e-mail to end this. Now he brought it here, and I have spent too much time on it again. I didn't ask for advise or a resolution. I presented my facts and want nothing more to do with it. You guys can decide if you want to deal with me in the future, but that is it. I'm done in this thread and with this subject


ETA: No offense Jester, I quoted you but made a broader statement to try to cover all.

 

[pwet]

Never cut corners.

Never use PayPal Gift for purchases.

Always declare true value and use a reliable, if expensive, postal or other mailing service.

Agreed, lesson learned all the way....

never trust anyone again, i admit beeing cheap on this one. But still his behavior is not acceptable to me.

Neither is telling everyone i didnt asked and he never talked about insurance when you esav can whitness that when you were first involved he was still trying to get the insurance he never promised me paid. I think you won't deny that simple fact ?

 

[pwet]

He posted e-mail chosen by him to show what he wanted to show. I didn't read it to see if he made any changes because the basic facts are basic facts. any emotional favor he can gain by making private conversation public does not matter to me. I blocked this guys e-mail to end this. Now he brought it here, and I have spent too much time on it again. I didn't ask for advise or a resolution. I presented my facts and want nothing more to do with it. You guys can decide if you want to deal with me in the future, but that is it. I'm done in this thread and with this subject


ETA: No offense Jester, I quoted you but made a broader statement to try to cover all.

you are right this should end. you never talked about insurance ? and well i tryed to stay calm and polit 'till now but i'll shoot too as you seem to like it.

so what claim were you talking about on 02/12 ?

From: cckw@cox.net
To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
Subject: RE: S90v para, shipping
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:25:56 -0600

I will do that, but I still don't want to think it is lost... I have only ever completely lost one package. I buy and sell WW-1 and WW-2 items and send and receive from Europe. only one complete loss ever and that was sent to Italy. I had one package arrive in like 3 months and many take over a month. I sent one that was returned to me like 45 days later, which brings me to my next thought.

I will ask some questions before filing the claim. If they pay the claim and it turns up being returned to me, they might just keep it, of course if it made it to you you would get both. But I'll check it out, and discuss with you before doing anything.

Curtis

and here 03/21, you are talking about what insurance ?

From: cckw@cox.net
To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
Subject: RE: S90v para, shipping
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:51:53 -0500

I haven't filed insurance yet. I want to try customs again. it is very hard to talk to someone there because of short hours and long hold time. I have it on my list to do tomorrow. If no hope comes we will do the insurance

Curtis

again 3/29 ???? you must be crazy !!!!

From: cckw@cox.net
To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
Subject: RE: S90v para, shipping
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:36:41 -0500

Learned nothing. I haven't file insurance, but I will. probably can today.

Curtis

AND THE BEST

From: cckw@cox.net
To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
Subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:35:52 -0600

Priority does have insurance. Are you familiar with the tax on buying outside your country. most Europeans do not want to pay that so have a value of like $40. The first $100 is included in the postage after that is is like $1.30 per $100 of value. I can do either way it is up to you because it is your savings vs. risk.

PayPal is cckw@cox.net the name on the account is Jennifer Allen

Curtis

----- Original Message -----
From: louis hezard
To: cckw@cox.net
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: S90v para, shipping

awesome !

is there any insurance on the priority mail ???? if so i'll go with that.

can i have your paypal adress please?


thank you very much,

best regards, louis hezard.

> From: cckw@cox.net
> To: louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
> Subject: Re: S90v para, shipping
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:02:27 -0600
>
> I still have it and can send to France. Priority mail is $13 but not
> trackable once it leaves the USA. Express/ EMS is $32 but sometimes the
> tracking info is not updated very fast after it leaves the USA . It is up
> to you, I have sent both ways. My paypal iscckw@cox.net I can list
> customs value at whatever amount you wish.
>
> Curtis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pwet @ BladeForums.com" <louis.hezard@hotmail.fr>
> To: <cckw@cox.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:49 AM
> Subject: S90v para, shipping
>
>
>
> This is a message from pwet at BladeForums.com (
>http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/index.php ). The BladeForums.com owners
> cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.
>
> To email pwet, you can use this online form:
>http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=241858
>
> OR, by email:
> mailto:louis.hezard@hotmail.fr
>
> This is the message:
>
> hi,
>
> if your para isn't sold yet i'd like to know if you can ship to france ?
>
> if possible let me know the actual shipping rates, usps insured & tracked,
> i'll take it.
>
> thanks, best regards,
>
> louis hezard aka pwet.

ALL THOSE QUOTES COME DIRECTLY FROM THE MAIL HISTORY ESAV HAD IN HIS MAIL ARCHIVE THAT'S ALL HE GOT BUT I GOT PLENTY MORE SNOWSTORM, FLOOD CRISIS THEN YOU TELLING ME THERE'S NO INSURANCE, ALL YOU SAID HERE ESAV RECEIVED ON 23/04 .... BUT YOU NEVER TOLD ME ABOUT INSURANCE AND I NEVER ASKED OR I FAKED THE EMAILS BACK IN APRIL 2 MONTHES BEFORE YOU TELL ME I'M SCREWED ??? I'M AN EVIL GENIUS FOR SURE.


now everyone is right here, i've been cheap, i should have chose express mail. i admit. but you told me there was an insurance and never honnored your word, i don't care about your money now, i got caught at the whinning game and i regret it. all i wanted to is steer people away from you, i hope i succeeded for some.

sorry all for the color, big font and shouting .....
best, Louis

 

[bushidomosquito]

He posted e-mail chosen by him to show what he wanted to show. I didn't read it to see if he made any changes because the basic facts are basic facts. any emotional favor he can gain by making private conversation public does not matter to me. I blocked this guys e-mail to end this. Now he brought it here, and I have spent too much time on it again. I didn't ask for advise or a resolution. I presented my facts and want nothing more to do with it. You guys can decide if you want to deal with me in the future, but that is it. I'm done in this thread and with this subject


ETA: No offense Jester, I quoted you but made a broader statement to try to cover all.

I, for one, would not deal with you. There was a problem with one of your items either reaching it's buyer or being fully insured if it did not which indicates either a lack of experience in this game or a tendency to cut corners and avoid blame. If someone doesn't want to pay for insurance then you make it a condition of the sale since it protects you as well. Cost of doing business. If you want to sell things online then you can be one of the guys that always makes it right or you can be one of the guys with an issue hanging over your head screaming, "NOT MY FAULT!". Guess which guy most folks want to do business with?

 

[kalama]

I too have no dog in this fight,but I can give just little advice,I always add insurance with a tracking number on all sales and trades,just add it to your price,it will save you the headache

 

[ooitzoo]

PWET: just out of curiousity, what do you want?

You mentioned that you did not want CCKW's "charity" in an earlier post. Isn't $100 insurance claim a form of that? I mean, I don't know what he offered you but I'd guess it was in that neighborhood.

I'm not interested in picking sides so its an honest question.

 

[pwet]

what i wanted at first was leaving a public trace of what happened.

then i got caught in the whinning .... i shouldn't have. now that he felt like he could lie to everybody saying i never asked for insurance i want to make him stop that.

the "charity" thing was for this email

Not knowing the screwy rules of the postal system I don't feel so guilty about, even the people who work there do not know a lot of the odd ones. However, I have been thinking that I sold you the knife for more then I paid, and refunding the profit amount has been on my mind.

where he basicaly says, no it's not my fault, i'm not responsible (false) but as i took a big markup on you (fine otherwise) i'll probably give you that.

this upset me. that's perhaps just me but that's what i call charity, he shouldn't say like a prince that he'll refund me his gain like a prince, he should refund me the insurance he told me i paid ... that's a principle thing, no more.

 

[alex]

Now that I have read both threads I will put in my 2 cents for the record...

It seems like both parties were under the impression that there would be $100 insurance on the small priority flat rate box regardless of whether it actually had it or not...

When the box went missing it looks like CCKW found out after dealing with the USPs bureaucracy that small flat rate boxes are not automatically insured for $100 as he thought...

CCKW then and now refuses to refund the $100 because CCKW found out AFTER THE FACT that there actually was NO INSURANCE on the small flat rate box as HE ASSUMED and IMPLIED to PWET....

PWET has admitted he is cheap and admits he tried to save money by not paying for full insurance coverage but was led to believe that he was at least partially protected by $100 automatic coverage as CCKW had implied (even though CCKW wrong in assuming without verification)....

It looks to me that CCKW owes PWET $100. Although I believe that honest mistakes were made in ASSUMING coverages that didn't exist that doesn't let CCKW off the hook in my eyes.

If CCKW refunds the $100 as he should then he will be out $100 but PWET will still be out almost $200.

 

[Karda]

Just to play the devils advocate here..........

I'm hesitant to bring this up, and i'm not accusing anybody.

This transaction, as stated, is over 8 months old. How do we actually know that PWET doesnt have the knife in his possession? I wouldnt want to be refunding money until i was sure it was actually missing. It wouldnt be the first time someone tried to pull a fast one like this on the forums.

 

[cnas122]

CCKW...why the hell are you using large red font? It's annoying and doesn't help you get your point across

 

[ooitzoo]

what i wanted at first was leaving a public trace of what happened.

then i got caught in the whinning .... i shouldn't have. now that he felt like he could lie to everybody saying i never asked for insurance i want to make him stop that.

the "charity" thing was for this email


where he basicaly says, no it's not my fault, i'm not responsible (false) but as i took a big markup on you (fine otherwise) i'll probably give you that.

this upset me. that's perhaps just me but that's what i call charity, he shouldn't say like a prince that he'll refund me his gain like a prince, he should refund me the insurance he told me i paid ... that's a principle thing, no more.

Sorry, I'm confused. I don't see how he's saying it like a prince. He offered to refund a portion of the sale price. Isn't that EXACTLY what you're asking for now?

 

[richardallen]

Just to play the devils advocate here..........

I'm hesitant to bring this up, and i'm not accusing anybody.

This transaction, as stated, is over 8 months old. How do we actually know that PWET doesnt have the knife in his possession? I wouldnt want to be refunding money until i was sure it was actually missing. It wouldnt be the first time someone tried to pull a fast one like this on the forums.

Same way we dont know it was shipped. That's what happens without tracking. There is no prove of sending or receiving. I doubt he'd go through the trouble of 100 mails though if he had indeed received a knife.

 

[The Deacon]

http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc3_007.htmI may be of the minority opinion here...but it seems that since you gave bad advice, obviously without checking, you should be on the hook for $100. The Buyer originally wanted insurance. You pretty much talked him out of it, claiming that it would be partially insured with $100 insurance included in the postage price, which is not the case with Priority Intl. mail, let alone the Small Flat Rate box, which one can't even purchase any (ETA: optional) insurance on.[/SIZE]

Put me in that minority as well. There's at least some responsibility on both sides here. cckw gave pwet bad information but also gave him the opportunity to pay for more insurance. If pwet had elected to do that, cckw would have found out there was no insurance available for PMI. Instead he chose to accept the $100 limit to save money, so the error was not discovered. To me $100 is all he should be entitled to recover, but he should be entitled to recover that.

 

[TUF]

I may be misunderstanding the process when I buy a knife from someone here. When I send the agreed upon funds I expect the knife or my money back. I also think that is what the rules state, unless I am mistaken.

I have never had a problem, everything I have ordered has come through exactly as promised. I am thankful to the good people here.

If I sold someone a knife here it is my understanding that it is my responsibility to get it there. If it doesn't arrive I owe the man another knife, if possible, or his money back. Which I have no problem with.

When I ship I buy insurance to protect me not the buyer as he is going to get his knife or his money back in any case.

 

[Chief Engineer]

"Are you going to guarantee your knife gets to me?" If he says "No", move along. Seems pretty simple to me.

I still feel buyer gets the money to seller, seller gets the knife to buyer. If insurance is any additional money, this reflects in sellers price.

 

[Damn_Animal]

This thread has made me very wary of shipping to France ever. It seems to me that CCKW in this instance made it perfectly clear that he would do whatever the buyer wanted shipping wise including insurance and claim value. The buyer decided that they did not wish to pay extra money on shipping and paying the duty fee's. As a result after the package was either lost or confiscated in customs the buyer decided that he wanted insurance that he has not payed for.

Unfortunately this is like purchasing heath insurance after getting in the car accident to pay your injury bills, it just doesn't work that way.

On the sellers side, u should refuse to lie about the value of the item and insist upon the use of a trackable and insurable shipping provider. At the end of the day though, you seem to have gone above and beyond in this case and the buyer is being unreasonable.

 

[CUTS LIKE A KRIS]

Actually Animal, it appears that the buyer was told there was $100 insurance on the package, and the seller refuses to honor his claim of said amount, and refuses to refund anything. That is more the issue to me than any location issue.