Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

[hardheart]

Broken ankle gets you out in 3 months or less. i can testify to that on a Bible if you like.

I'm sure it can under the right circumstances. Unfortunately for a few of the people I knew in training, it could take that long to get scheduled for x-rays. It genuinely surprised me how long the military would continue to pay and house people with medical conditions that barred them from performing their duties. Huge waste of the person's time and the government's (taxpayer's) money.

Im sorry, where is the post where LT posted his appology for being an aZZhat and dissing Strider knives in his crap ad copy? oh, there isnt one? that makes Mick a few levels up on him in my book.

LT not being an ex-con puts him above Strider in my book. I would really like to know where the threshold lies for some people. Do you want a sex offender doing your taxes after a heartfelt apology? Personally, not a single person I have met who has done time for a serious crime is worth a damn, the world would in no way be worse off without them. To defend a guy who grinds knives just because he apologized for purposefully threatening another person's life is something I don't get. Seriously, if things were a bit different, and Strider had carjacked any of the people posting in this thread, would they still forgive him, still buy his knives? Heck, because of the nature of some of these people, Strider or any other carjacker wouldn't even be around today to be making anything. Would you say the person defending them self from a carjacking would have been wrong to do so? I am not going to give credence to Strider's apology, because of the very act he is apologizing for. To me, there's no coming back from that sort of thing. And to even equate talking smack about someone in an ad to a violent felony followed up by an I'm sorry doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

Mick can admit his faults, and tell me honestly, you NEVER did anything remotely illegal when you were between 18-25ish? Tell me that and ill call you a liar, or a very sheltered individual.

I never committed a felony, I can say that honestly. I never stole a car, I never threatened a life, I've never spent a minute in jail, or had to defend myself in court for my actions.

Also appologizing and not meaning it and appologizing after you have reformed your life are two different things, you might want to consider that.

Like I said, I really don't care what Strider has done (except for the inaccurate representation of his service) since learning of the crime. I don't care to hear what he has to say, his actions said enough for me.

I don't care if people make LT out to be the devil, but there's no way Strider comes out a saint.

 

[darkestthicket]

LT not being an ex-con puts him above Strider in my book. I would really like to know where the threshold lies for some people. Do you want a sex offender doing your taxes after a heartfelt apology? Personally, not a single person I have met who has done time for a serious crime is worth a damn, the world would in no way be worse off without them. To defend a guy who grinds knives just because he apologized for purposefully threatening another person's life is something I don't get. Seriously, if things were a bit different, and Strider had carjacked any of the people posting in this thread, would they still forgive him, still buy his knives? Heck, because of the nature of some of these people, Strider or any other carjacker wouldn't even be around today to be making anything. Would you say the person defending them self from a carjacking would have been wrong to do so? I am not going to give credence to Strider's apology, because of the very act he is apologizing for. To me, there's no coming back from that sort of thing. And to even equate talking smack about someone in an ad to a violent felony followed up by an I'm sorry doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

I never committed a felony, I can say that honestly. I never stole a car, I never threatened a life, I've never spent a minute in jail, or had to defend myself in court for my actions.

Like I said, I really don't care what Strider has done (except for the inaccurate representation of his service) since learning of the crime. I don't care to hear what he has to say, his actions said enough for me.

I don't care if people make LT out to be the devil, but there's no way Strider comes out a saint.

Sex offenders should be shot period, rapists especially point blank in the face. sorry just my opinion.

Might i remind you that carrying a weapon (read knife here) concealed without a permit is a felony (i think) in most states. reconsider your initial reaction? (no jail time here either for the record)

I never said Strider was a saint, however, he is a good guy in my book.

 

[Michelle]

It's on TF forums in a thread mentioned a page or so ago. in Doc Arnies thread.

That's actually not what I was referring to. Nearly all the content on that forum regarding this matter has been edited, altered, deleted, etc., by the owner of the forum. Not to mention they actually shut down their registration during that whole witch hunt garbage so no new users with pertinent information could not register and post, and long standing members that dissented to the owner's opinion were promptly banned. It was unlike anything I have ever seen before on a public forum.

Anyhoo.....Pete1977, I'll get the stuff and post it..... as soon as I can. I've got a server issue at work that is taking precedence. I'm sure you understand.

m1

 

[DngrRuss1]

Gee, you mean that you never were able to come up with evidence to the contrary, after so many months? Convenient. It is pretty obvious that he was involved.

So what do you have to say to defend LT's shameless theft of designs? Shill away.

Quite frankly, i thought this subject was dead. When I saw this thread, I of course, knew better.

Evidence of non-payment? Where is the more easily acquired evidence of payment?

Call LT and ask him about this. He will tell you the same thing that he told me. He was contacted by the PI. He did not give any monies to said PI, but was curious of the outcome. When the outcome came to his desk, he took the ball and ran.

I wanted to contact the PI myself, but in retrospect, my confirming the above story would do nothing to shut you haters up, and I would be very hesitant to give out any of the PI's info online to respect his privacy and save him from a bunch of rabid knifeknuts harrassing him for this story. It is really a minor point, however, when compared to Strider's involvement in the incident. The Strider lovers can make all the excuses they want, but the fact remains that Mick was not honest about his background and built his business on that false background.

You wonder why LT reminds folks of these facts? Let's see. How many times do you haters throw out the "thief", "snake-oil salesman", "liar", etc. Then we see statements like, "I wouldn't buy from someone like LT, he has no credibility. I would rather buy from Strider". Really? If that is how one defines credibility, then I am at a loss.

LT has:
no criminal record- not even a traffic ticket

no outstanding debt- and has never declared bankruptcy and left folks in the lurch by not paying them

never claimed to be anything other than exactly what he is

always torture tested his products more than any other maker (I know he destroys thousands of $ worth of product every year in random testing)

gone, with his designers, engineers, and testing crew, to the manufacturing facilities at least once a quarter to randomly test at the factory, and will reject an entire run of product if it does not meet all of his toughness and performance standards. No little expense.

Spent millions of dollars to advertise and popularize the Tanto, so other makers could enjoy the benefit of that popularization.

made cord wrapped knives back in the '80s, long before Strider or anyone one else mentioned here.

refused membership in organisations of knife makers when they denegrated the idea of "tactical" knives when they weren't the focus of the knife industry. Now, those makers who would look down their noses at LT and CS enjoy the benefit of LT's commitment to the tactical market by making their own extensive lines of tactical knives.

Why shouldn't he call a spade a spade. You haters like to call him names and blast him online (big talk from desktop warriors) and expect him to shut up and take it. Why shouldn't he fire back. Hel, why shouldn't he take the first shot from time to time?

You don't like him... ok. Don't. He won't lose any sleep over you. You want to either make false statements or be hypocritical, be prepared for rebuttal.

Thus endeth the lessen.

 

[DocArnie]

If McClung is lying about Mick Strider's military career, I think this is the right time to say so, before it spreads.
Right now I'm not sure who to trust. Has he earned medals and was wounded in combat, or was he never in combat at all? The first would make him a hero, the second, well, would speak for itself...
Someone is obviously lying to me (and everyone else) and I'd really like to know who the liar is.


I was unable to do my military service because I had cancer at that time and the german armed forces sent me a letter that I'm out forever. I have pretty strong emotions about this and would rather kill myself than pretending to be a ex- (SF)soldier. I just have too much respect for those who actually walk the walk! If I did pretend to be one of them, it would feel to me like disrespecting them big time.

 

[Vaako]

I was saying that your clueless.

I have factual support for my position which is something you do not, an accusation of "clueless" makes you look very foolish in light of that.

Strider can pull down what he sets his prices at due to demand and has no trouble doing so.

Oh, I know. It's amazing how easily Strider gets people to part with their cash. Knife makers have been selling sandblasted, cordwrapped knives for nearly 20 years, but Strider has convinced a certain segment of the knife market that his sandblasted, cordwrapped knives are worth the prices he charges.

A "shinier" or "smoother" finish does not mean the blade is more or less overpriced.

No, it indicates that one knife has undergone additional finishing steps and the other has not. When the less finished, less complicated knife costs more and has no marked advantages over its competitor, then it most definitely is overpriced.

people pay more for strider's than the hollow handled Reeve knives and do it all the time. they like the look, the performance or the mystique, either way its the purchasers choice that decides if a knife is "overpriced" not YOUR OPINION.

It's not my "opinion" and typing it IN ALL CAPS doesn't change that. The Strider Mark 1 has a rougher finish than the Reeves Project One. That's a fact. The Strider Mark 1 is a flat bar of steel, with some string for a handle. That's a fact. The Reeves Project One has an incredibly complicated to machine handle. That's a fact. The Reeves Project One has a crisper grinds on its blade. That's a fact. The Reeves Project One has a leather sheath, the Strider Mark 1 does not. That's a fact. For all that, the Strider Mark 1 costs more. That's also a fact.

Those are facts, none of which you are disputing, none of which you can dispute and I dare you to try.

Therefore, whether you like it or not, whether certain Strider enthusiasts like it or not, it's overpriced in comparison to a Chris Reeves Project One.

 

[darkestthicket]

Dngruss1,

my uncle is a PI working for an outfit out of Pa, and no PI works freelance or for an outfit FOR FREE without a client, or does investigations before contacting the client about payment.

That should tell you something right there.


Vaako, let me break it down into simple terms.

The purchaser of a knife determines if it is overpriced, not you and your flipping attitude. you can say "blah blah blah" all you want, but it means crap. Is a ferrari overpriced? no, because its a finely crafted piece of machinery with mostly all the same working parts as any other car, but people buy them. Strider's are finely crafted knives. buy one and find out. By your definition chris reeves overprices his knives because i can get Busses with that kickass hellrazor grind for cheaper. Neither Busse, Strider or CRK knives are overpriced if people are willing to pay the price they continue to sell at whatever the market will bear.

Not to mention that by your logic any knife can easily be compared to any other cheaper knife on down the line till you get to the 2$ ones. sheesh.

Main Entry: over·price
Pronunciation: "O-v&r-'prIs
Function: transitive verb
: to price too high


It aint priced to high if somone will pay for it, now is it? only people who wont pay the $$ are the ones whining about it. Thats your right, buy what you want but just because you have a bee in your bonnet about Strider, dont think somone wont call you out for being a little DDD about it.

Edit, also consider some may not like a hollow handle survival knife as its a little to RAMBOISH and this can make you go to another knife which may cost more or less. its the prerogotive of the BUYER that decides what is what.

A "rougher" finish isnt the only quality of a knife is it? there is steel, size, thickness, design etc, each thing will appeal differently to a different person. The mod 1 is a different knife, first off it aint hollow, which has its merits, though im not 100% sure whether hollow reduces structural integrity, but i would expect it does, even if it is 1 piece of steel. this pretty much sums up our difference in OPINION.

 

[Monocrom]

I just found the other thread about this, the one that was closed....

Wow! Lynn Thompson referring to someone else as a rip-off artist. :barf:

Looks like someone thinks we're a bunch of idiots who can't blatantly see that he ripped off that tanto point from Strider!

It's weird, I started considering giving ColdSteel a shot since I do like a few of their designs..... But as long as someone like Lynn Thompson is running the company, I'll be sending my hard-earned money to companies where the Head Guy In Charge doesn't have to resort to such childish name-calling to sell a clone of someone else's product. :thumbdn:

 

[3Guardsmen]

If McClung is lying about Mick Strider's military career, I think this is the right time to say so, before it spreads.
Right now I'm not sure who to trust. Has he earned medals and was wounded in combat, or was he never in combat at all? The first would make him a hero, the second, well, would speak for itself...
Someone is obviously lying to me (and everyone else) and I'd really like to know who the liar is.

Why is it nobody will answer DocArnie's question? I, too, would like to know the truth.

Regards,
3G

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

Dandruff1: you have now shilled plenty for LT, and call him a stand up guy. . . blah blah blah, no parking tickets. . . etc. . . but you have failed to address the issue that I actually care about, LT's ripping off designs. Anyone saying that his new knife is not a direct copy of the strider, is a fool or a liar.
And the fact remains that anyone who makes knock-offs is a scumbag. (not that LT actually "Makes" anything aside from videos and human waste.)

 

[3Guardsmen]

Call LT and ask him about this. He will tell you the same thing that he told me. He was contacted by the PI. He did not give any monies to said PI, but was curious of the outcome. When the outcome came to his desk, he took the ball and ran.

Yeah, I bet most knife company Presidents are frequently solicited by pro-active PI's, don't pay them any money, and then get the results of their investigations sent to them.:jerkit:

Good one,
3G

 

[Vaako]

The purchaser of a knife determines if it is overpriced, not you and your flipping attitude.

Darkestthicket, all items have value. If one item is less finely finished, is easier to make, and costs more, it's over priced.

If the buyers of those knives are willing to pay the asking price, that doesn't change whether or not the item itself is overpriced. It just means those buyers are willing to pay it. What does that say about them?

you can say "blah blah blah" all you want, but it means crap.

Translation: You can't support your position with facts. You can't refute the one's I've supplied, so all information which disproves your delusional beliefs is "blah blah" and "crap". No wonder you're a Strider fan. No wonder Lynn Thompson sees this as a ripe and easily deluded market as well.

Is a ferrari overpriced? no, because its a finely crafted piece of machinery with mostly all the same working parts as any other car, but people buy them.

Good for them. A Strider is not a "Ferrari", either in fit or finish or complexity.

By your definition chris reeves overprices his knives because i can get Busses with that kickass hellrazor grind for cheaper.

Incorrect. Chris Reeves knives are mechanically more complex than a Busse in terms of machining, particularly in the handles. Glad you mentioned Busse Knives, though. A Busse Black Tie Warden costs $217 with fitted and rounded micarta grips. A similarly sized Strider Model CP with a handle of bolted on sheets of G-10. costs $375. So that's 2 for 2 against Strider. You should have checked the prices before mentioning the brand.

Neither Busse, Strider or CRK knives are overpriced if people are willing to pay the price they continue to sell at whatever the market will bear.

Actually, you've got your logic backwards. Some buyers are willing to pay for a given company's knives in spite of the knives being overpriced.

Not to mention that by your logic any knife can easily be compared to any other cheaper knife on down the line till you get to the 2$ ones. sheesh.

You should stay away from the word "logic", darkestthicket. By my logic, any knife that's roughly comparable in overall size, weight, finish, style and overall quality can be compared to a similar knife. It's a comparison of those aspects that determine which knife is overpriced, not simply comparing the prices themselves.

Main Entry: over·price
Pronunciation: "O-v&r-'prIs
Function: transitive verb
: to price too high

In relation to what? "Too high", implies a basis of comparison. In Strider's case, "too high" in comparison with other knives that have a higher standard of quality for less money.

It aint priced to high if somone will pay for it, now is it?

Of course it is, that just means some people are sufficiently gullible to do so. They're buying the hype, the mystique, the name. Just like the same foolish people who pay hundreds of dollars for certain "designer" jeans and footwear. The clothing itself isn't better, per se. But those buyers have bought into the "hype" and the seller profits from their stupidity.

only people who wont pay the $$ are the ones whining about it. Thats your right, buy what you want but just because you have a bee in your bonnet about Strider, dont think somone wont call you out for being a little DDD about it.

Whining? Oh, you poor misguided soul. I'm not whining about it, I'm mocking it and you for being so easily suckered! You've bought the whole Strider routine, haven't you? You're actually bragging that you'll pay that kind of money for the knives, as though it was a reflection of your fine sense of discernment!

As for all that "call you out" tough talk, please, spare me the Strider-style posturing. All you've done so far is reveal your ignorance and your painfully embarrassing lack of critical thinking. It's entertaining, but hardly intimidating. Gonna "call you out". Whoo!

Edit, also consider some may not like a hollow handle survival knife as its a little to RAMBOISH...

...which would, again, show their ignorance as you're about to find out yourself.

The Project I (spear point blade) was designed in conjunction with Sgt. Karl Lippard, USMC and author of "The Warriors - United States Marines". The concept was to fulfill all the features which Sgt. Lippard felt were vital for a knife carried by a Marine.​

In other words, it's a knife designed by a Marine for Marines. Why do you think I chose that particular model? I knew if I pushed you hard enough, you'd panic and start accusing the design of being "Rambo". It isn't, it never was. Not all knife companies are Strider. Apparently Chris Reeves doesn't need the hype or the camouflage backgrounds or the Dark Ops style mottos to sell their knives.

All you did was look at the superficials, at what you thought was the hype. You didn't do your homework, which does seem to be a habit of yours when it comes to comparing cutlery.

 

[xanax]

for 30.00 I'll try one.

 

[Siggyhk]

Wow, that was along read. My stance is that I will not be buying any cs products from here on. And perhaps strider fixed blades aren't the best deal around, but the folders are top notch. Very few (if any) people "need" any knife that cost more than about 100 bucks, no matter what they'll use it for. Anything after that comes down to what you like personally. If you really like something, it's hard to put a price on it.
Back to the issue at hand, cs is a company run by a chump. Strider is a company run by a felon. I've listened to ethical issues about this company and that company before and have never heard or seen anything that made me say "I will not give them my money anymore". Untill this. Just my opinion though. -I'm still willing to bet cs will make some good profits this year.

 

[pricecw]

You must have had some very efficient admin. One of my buddies in CA had a severe spinal condition, the vertebrae would shift side to side on him. He had a dead man's profile and still had to wait years for a med board. Then Jackson lost the med records and 201 of my friend with the stress fractures, VA just got him copies of medical a few weeks ago, even though he got out 2 years ago. He's technically a vet, but his chiropractor visits are being covered by his civilian employer insurance. I have a Marine friend who is hopefully going to see a specialist within a month, for fractures of the humerus in early '05.

OK, had to respond to this series, I was honorably discharged in '89 with a broken back (sounds like your friends, floating vertebrae), joined in '87. Docs were not that efficient, but still just barely over 2yrs service (USMC). How did it happen, in '89 I was back in the states on Camp Pendleton, and at the hospital the normal doc saw me and wanted to put me on some heavy duty narcs, but to do that, they needed a higher ranking doc to sign off on it. Higher up doc looks at my file and said we need a bone scan before we dope this kid up. They do a bone scan, see the damage, and bam, shoot through the med board and discharge in a few months. Different doc, or different day when the doc was busy, maybe another year or two to get that scan.

Now you are talking '05, we are at war, and a lot of good men are very hurt. A lot of time/equipment/docs are spending all of their time there, probably does take longer to get to the good doc that can help you.

Now the other matter,

Mick has responded to his military record. From his response, and close friends, he was not making any other claims.

Mick is a vetran, honorably discharged.

Mick has helped a lot of men in the service out. Those close to him have done an enormous amount also.

Mick made mistakes that were horrible. He paid for those and put his life back on track, we should not care beyond that.

I don't know Mick, Lynn, or Kevin. I do know some of the others here that have vouched for and trust Mick. I will take their word on it, because I know them to be exceptional people.

Further, I have personally known felons, some good, some bad. I distance myself from the bad ones, but the good ones can be very good friends to have. If they have paid their debt to society, and are keeping out of trouble, I should respect them for that.

--Carl

 

[Pete1977]

But again my question is WHY? not, "is Sal a good guy?"This wasnt directed at Spyderco.

your question was "why?" My answer was that I prefer spyderco, even though some are made overseas because they are top notch utilitarian folding knives made by a top notch company headed by a top notch CEO.

If I have a problem with a spyderco knife (which I never have by the way) I can be assured that someone like Sal Glesser isn't going to tell me to "lick my balls". I have never owned, nor plan to own, a Strider folding knife (I don't used fixed blades for the most part) but I can't say that I 100 percent sure that I would be met by the same treatment from Strider.

I work a physically demanding job and work at it hard for my money. a knife is an essential piece of equipment and I customarily carry two or more at work. If I find what I think is a better product produced overseas, than I will buy it.

I know NOTHING about the strider, mcclung, TAG Gear Cold steel fued other than what I've read lately and it doesn't really matter to me. I am as unimpressed with the strider followers behavior in this thread as I am with the Cold Steel supporters.
to be honest, this carry on is a disgrace to what's left of both companies reputations.

 

[Michelle]

Why is it nobody will answer DocArnie's question? I, too, would like to know the truth.

Regards,
3G

Ummmm.... I was working. Sorry, that takes precedence.

Doc, etc., well... that's a multi-faceted question.... because the person in question kinda had a lot of different accusations about Mick's military career... but they kept changing as information was produced.

At first he said Mick was never enlisted in any armed forces. That was proven to be a lie.

Then he changed it and said Mick never made it to Ranger.... That was proven to be a lie.

Then he said Mick was dishonorably discharged. Again.... lie.

Then he said okay, Mick was a bat boy, but not LONG enough to suit his Ninja Co., preferences.

Mick posted his DD214 and gave out other information to prove his history. At every turn someone had a complaint about it or tried to divert the conversation to a different tangent.

Was Mick in the Army? Yes. Did he excel relatively quickly and make it to Ranger Bat? Yes. Was he DXed for breaking his back? Yes. I've known Mick for several years and he has never told me or anyone else I know of that he was in a combat or dangerous situation with the US Army or Rangers, or that he was wounded in that employment/capacity. I don't know of any combat related medals he has gotten. I love Tom, but I wonder if he is thinking of Duane in that regard.

All the info is out there if people want to bother looking. But I guess it's easier to just reference one "source" and consider it gospel. I can tell you right now that if you are going to pick a singular source, TF is not the way to go.

Pete1977 - I'm still looking for the post... not sure about cross-forum posting ettiquette here but the quick and dirty is: He needed a car under circumstances of duress... so he went to a dealership and took one for a test drive. If you have ever test driven a car you know the dealership rep always drives it off the lot... then you switch once it's off dealer property. Well, when the dude got out of the car to switch to the passenger side, Mick locked the doors. Left the guy standing there on the side of the road. Sorry that's not as dramatic as some folks would like. Sorry it's not "violent" and no one was traumatized or in imminent danger. No firearms discharged. It was stupid and he turned himself in that day. TURNED himself in. No big chase or shoot-em-up. He refused to rat out some pals of his so they threw the book at him. And he took his lumps and did his time. End of story. He did something SUPER stupid in his youth and he paid the price.

You know its all public record... everyone here keeps harping on the fact this is all public record.... but do any of you CARE enough to look it up before you start damning someone? No. It's too easy to jump on a bandwagon and believe others that have no integrity themselves, but DO have a whole lot of agenda. Jeezeman. Please know I am NOT defending his actions. It was stupid stupid stupid. I, however, am not going to sit here and say I've never done something stupid in my past. Most of us have. Most of us however, simply didn't get caught.

Also, keep in mind that what gets into court docs is not always the reality of the situation. I worked in law for almost 10 years and was constantly astounded by that fact. Watching some "plead down" to get a good looking court transcript and sentance, and watching others get absolutely trashed if they wouldn't turn SE.

As for the Emerson thing:

....You're making the incorrect assumption that all people behave in the exact same manner. Ernest Emerson is a class act. It would seem he's successful enough and "big" enough as a person to ignore the shameless and uncredited imitations of his work by Cold Steel, Strider, and dozens of import companies.

Mr. Emerson is indeed a class act. However he has had NO PROBLEM in the past making it clear when he felt someone had stepped on his toes regarding design issues. Since you know a lot about Mr. Emerson, I am sure you are aware of the public statements he has made in the past in this regard. The Skirmish issue comes to mind... amongst others. But you know all about that I'm sure.

If Lynn Thompson is scum for stealing a "Strider" design, then it's time Strider get tarred with the same brush because that blade design wasn't "theirs" in the first place.

You're wrong. It's not the same. Are you involved in this industry? I'm guessing not. Because if you were, you would know that it is common for knifemakers to sanction other knife makers on designs all the time. What Lynn Thompson does is steal. What countless other knife makers do is find inspiration in another's design and often times they will go to that knife maker and say "hey... I want to do this profile... but it hedges into the territory of something you have done... are you okay with this?" And often times, especially if the knifemakers are friendly, the originator or whatever you want to call him will say "Hey man, no problem. And THANK YOU for doing the honorable thing and asking". THAT is why there is a sense of community and civility amongst these guys.... because they do the right thing and stay in communication with each other.

So is arrogance and presupposition. Please show where Ernest Emerson publicly appointed you his personal spokeswoman. I don't visit all the threads and this is a big place. I must have missed the announcement.

Wow. You are calling me arrogant? Sheesh. But okay. I'll entertain that accusation and try to check my attitude. At the same time, please tell me where Mr. Emerson appointed YOU his personal spokes person? I am NOT Mr. Emerson's (or anyone elses) personal spokes person. I have spent time around the man however. I've been in a couple of training videos that he backed/sponsored. I have worked the industry side of blade shows for several years now. You speak as though you know Mr. Emerson intimately. If you did, you would know he doesn't need you speaking up for him. He's darn capable of doing it for himself.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you. It's not my style, and I don't even know who you are in the scheme of things. I just found it interesting that you are defending someone who really is quite capable of defending himself. Then again, I find myself doing that with some of MY favorite knifemakers, so that makes me of the same ilk as you. I suppose it's not a BAD thing to be passionate. I just try to not make false accusations against other people when defending my passions.

Two each his own, and thanks for the debate!

m1

 

[Death's Head]

DngrRuss1, how do you know so much about the intimate details of Lynn's life?

 

[Vaako]

double post, sorry about that. Hopefull this will shorten the thread.

 

[Vaako]

Mr. Emerson is indeed a class act. However he has had NO PROBLEM in the past making it clear when he felt someone had stepped on his toes regarding design issues. Since you know a lot about Mr. Emerson, I am sure you are aware of the public statements he has made in the past in this regard. The Skirmish issue comes to mind... amongst others. But you know all about that I'm sure.

Your reasoning is that because he hasn't complained about this, he agrees. Legally, silence does not equal consent. I don't claim to know Mr. Emerson's motivations for deciding when to complain.

In any event, whether Mr. Emerson chooses to complain or not is irrelevant. The knife a blatant copy of a blade design that I believe is an Emerson innovation and I have yet to see anyone, including you, demonstrate that a maker produced that design before he did. If another maker did it first, let's give credit where credit is due.

You're wrong. It's not the same. Are you involved in this industry? I'm guessing not. Because if you were, you would know that it is common for knifemakers to sanction other knife makers on designs all the time.

Show that Strider has done so in this case. I don't see the words "an Ernest Emerson design" on Strider's site or on the knives themselves. If you have independently verifiable proof that they have licensed Emerson's blade profile or that Ernest Emerson sanction's Strider's copying, feel free to post it. I don't mind being factually corrected providing you have the facts which do so. Until then, my accusation stands and remains valid.

What Lynn Thompson does is steal. What countless other knife makers do is find inspiration in another's design and often times they will go to that knife maker and say "hey... I want to do this profile... but it hedges into the territory of something you have done... are you okay with this?" And often times, especially if the knifemakers are friendly, the originator or whatever you want to call him will say "Hey man, no problem. And THANK YOU for doing the honorable thing and asking". THAT is why there is a sense of community and civility amongst these guys.... because they do the right thing and stay in communication with each other.

That's very heartwarming and you're correct, some makers/companies do allow others to copy their designs. Others don't. Others are willing to license their innovations (e.g. Spyderco). However, you haven't shown that Strider has either publicly or financially given Ernest Emerson credit for his blade design for any of the several knives that use what is clearly his blade profile.

At the same time, please tell me where Mr. Emerson appointed YOU his personal spokes person? I am NOT Mr. Emerson's (or anyone elses) personal spokes person.

Nor am I. The difference is I'm not claiming to know what Mr. Emerson thinks or his motivations. I'm not sure how you could derive an implicit claim to know Ernest Emerson from what I've written. What I am claiming, quite explicitly, is that his work has been copied. Not just by Cold Steel but also by Strider, and a number of import companies as well. It's an independent observation, entirely my own, based on the blades in question. I don't need to be an Emerson spokesperson to point that out. Conversely, I don't need anyone's permission to discuss the knives of the parties involved.

I just found it interesting that you are defending someone who really is quite capable of defending himself. Then again, I find myself doing that with some of MY favorite knifemakers, so that makes me of the same ilk as you. I suppose it's not a BAD thing to be passionate. I just try to not make false accusations against other people when defending my passions.

If you or anyone else can show where I have falsely accused Strider or Cold Steel, I welcome the correction and will publicly retract the statement in question. I'm not defending Lynn Thompson, however, I definitely would like to see both the credit and the condemnation fairly distributed concerning these companies.