Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

I've already been through this before with you and we both know it.

You already posted on a similar thread I started. I asked for additional information from expert collectors of Emerson knives. What I got was some trolling and flaming. You definitely contributed to that. :rolleyes:

Quick everyone! Go flame the other thread, too!

*sigh* There's a difference between proof and support. I've already explained a couple of times already why it is impossible for me to prove, irrefutably, that Ernest Emerson invented the blade profile.

To do so, I would have to show every single knife ever made in history doesn't have that profile. That's impossible. Even Ernest Emerson couldn't prove that.

Conversely, it's just as easy for anyone else to disprove my claim with proof.

That's the irony. All anyone has to do is show one knife with that profile, that wasn't done by Emerson with some kind of accurate way of dating the knife they've shown.

But nobody wants to do that. It's too hard, it's not important, nobody cares but me, etc. etc.

Or perhaps nobody can because I'm right. That's also a possibility.
 
Your idea of a close paraprase is skewed. Jerry wrote that CS copied Strider. He did not ever say, hint, insinuate or remark that CS AND Strider copied Emerson. Be honest will ya??

And your bullshiit about truth not having to confront a liar. that's the typical line spewed by all keyboard Commandos. To PARAPHRASE: I am not going to call Mick a liar to his face, I am a pussy. Remember, be honest will ya!!!!

No one suggests dueling, what are you a crackhead? What is suggested is simply saying to the man face to face what you so brazenly type here. At the next show that Mick attends simply walk up to him, identify yourself and further discuss this like civilized Men. I know Mick is capable, are you?
 
wolfmann601 said:
Mr. Boats sir; When you can walk up to Mick Strider at a knife or gun show and say this to his face no one will critisize you as you continue to discredit the man. I am not suggesting one needs to have a fist fight to say what he believes in, just saying one needs to have the balls to discredit another man face to face. One should not be surprised to end up in a fist fight because the words used to discredit the man are pure fighting words in my books.

Hey all, have a nice weekend, it's freaking cold here in New England!!!!:p
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Using the logic you set forth, I suppose one could tell you you need to tell this to Boats "to his face". Boats, along with everyone else on the forum who is interested in knowing the truth about Strider's "combat Vet" claims, were not made aware of those claims during "face to face" conversations with Strider, it was read about here on the forum. So, by the same logic, we should be able to ask pertinent questions here and on other forums. Wouldn't you agree, or does logic escape you?

3G
 
Vaako said:
I didn't discuss "extent" because that's entirely subjective. I hate repeating myself, but I already discussed the difference in grind back on page 4 of this thread. Changing the style of grind, when everything else about the blade profile is identical doesn't change the fact that it's still an Emerson innovation.


I'm glad you posted those two pictures side by side. Compare the blades. Just the blades. Who came up with that style of blade first?
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I still you should have your eyes checked (and maybe not only eyes - sorry).... According to your logic basically all knives (based only on their grinds) would be copies of another knives. Again - if Emerson does not care (and he probably knows why) why do you?

D.
 
wolfmann601 said:
Your idea of a close paraprase is skewed. I hope and pray you are not a Doctor!! In your world it would go like this: The Radiologist report states that the Tumor is located inside the Spleen and does not involve any of the organs nearby. He suggests surgery to remove the Spleen. Your Paraphrase would be "There's a tumor in that man. We need to remove the nearby organs fast, they are involved!!!

Heck, that's close, right? :rolleyes:

And your bullshiit about truth not having to confront a liar. that's the typical line spewed by all keyboard Commandos. To PARAPHRASE: I am not going to call Mick a liar to his face, I am a pussy.

And sir dueling is illegal but calling a spade a spade is the true way to confront liars and cheats. You run your mouth and insult with impunity here on the Internet. Please attend one of the many shows that Mick Strider attends walk right up to him and say to the man face to face the crap you have said here.

But you are right, it takes a man to do that and we have already established you have no balls therefore you are not a man. Just another wannabe keyboard heroNo wonder this stuff never ends!!! :rolleyes:
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I didn't see Boats using those type of personal attacks against you. On most forums, those kinds of comments can get you in hot water.:thumbdn:

3G
 
oh for the love of God, would you give it a rest already Vaako? blah blah blah, tanto this, tanto that. you speak as if you were Emerson himself, "yes, this blade grind is obviously an XYZ mated with an ABC that i came out with in the 80's. oh and note that the top edge is slanted down at N degrees which has surely never been seen before."

your point? anybody with half a brain firing on 3 axon impulses can realize your CS/Strider and Strider/Emerson comparison are not even on the same level. i mean, all the Strider military history aside, you're honestly saying that if people want to piss and moan about CS/Strider they should start with Strider/Emerson first? ok scratch that, how about focusing your entire argument on an esoteric detail like the different variations of a blade grind that originated in Japan several hundred years ago...you think we should focus on that first right?

no really, your wonderful "kiriha zukukri" and "clip point" blade dissertation brings a tear to my as how someone can posses such an astute eye for distinguishing tanto blades. however, everyone else on the forum (besides you) are either chuckling at the ridiculous posts that have been written, completely disgusted with the accusations thrown around or just plain tired of you harping on about your "original" Emerson tanto ad nauseam...and i thought Mad Dog's garrulity about tactical folders was vexing.

we get it. you are speaking for Ernie Emerson (because he obviously can't defend his own creations) so he can attain credit where credit is due. God only knows how many supporters of his have been wanting, nay, ITCHING to accuse Mick Strider of copying his "kiriha zukukri cum clip point" design. there. i said it. you're right...in fact, i'll say it for the rest of the people who are/was/is arguing with you. you're abso-friggin-lutely 100% correct in your Strider/Emerson connection. why haven't people noticed this before? it so blatantly obvious that Strider's knife was a copy.

in fact, i'll personally shoot an email or phone mr. Emerson tomorrow to let him know there was a stalwart fellow of good breeding defending his design till the very end. there. now can we just move on?!

i rarely post because i enjoy reading the forums for the most part but your nugatory conjectures...man...they are really something else
 
benzslrpee said:
i said it. you're right...in fact, i'll say it for the rest of the people who are/was/is arguing with you. you're abso-friggin-lutely 100% correct in your Strider/Emerson connection. why haven't people noticed this before? it so blatantly obvious that Strider's knife was a copy.
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It was worth waiting 2 years for your first post. Thanks. :thumbup:

David
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Bob Lum in the custom knife arena, and probably Cold Steel as far as manufacturers go.
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It was Cold Steel that first popularized the tanto blade with the general knife buying public back in the 1980's with the introduction of the tanto fixed blade series which is still available from Cold Steel. It wasn't Emerson, who to this day makes his single bevel grinds left handed. It wasn't Strider. It was Cold Steel. So who is copying whom? This whole thing is ridiculous.
 
STR said:
I bet it is a tough a$$ knife that would hold its own being spring tempered 1055 steel. Thats like a leaf spring in your hand that can make a darn good tough tool steel. Its certainly a better suited steel for the kind of jobs its supposed to do than S30V. I'd bet it would stand up better actually than any S30V blade. The price is sure right in line with what a soldier can afford. I look at these $200 to $500 knives that are made for the military and have to wonder how many companies expect to sell. Apparently the enlisted get paid a bit more than I did in my day because I didn't know too many that could afford a knife that expensive unless the military provided it at N/C.



STR
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Thank you STR! You have said what I was thinking myself: Some people want a good knife, and, due to the bitter limitations of a modest paycheck and the need to pay off other monthly bills, can only afford to pay some where around thirty dollars. Hey, in a perfect world I would gladly pay a much higher price for a premier brand such as Strider. But the truth is that I cannot afford to have champagne taste on a beer budget. For me personally,when it comes time to actually purchase, I cannot afford to care whether or not the CS G.I. Tanto is a rip off of a Strider knife. I want a good, simple, no-nonsense, seven inch straight-edge tanto point knife that has solid tang construction and comes with a decent sheath, all for around 30 bucks. Now if someone who can afford a Strider wants to buy one and sell it to me for 30 bucks, then let me know. And don't anyone think that I don't like to buy American made knives. I own two Beckers and one Camilus, but I want a tanto point fixed-blade with a solid, one-piece design, and unless someone can help me find something that is American made for the price I can afford, then I must consider the G.I. Tanto.
 
Hoever, something many people don't know and others have obscured in this discussion, Strider Knives isn't all about Mick. Duane Dwyer was a for sure Marine Scout Sniper with an impressive kill count. Others who work at Strider in CA and/or are their distributors around the world are similarly people who have serious records of military accomplishments. They've chosen their association; call them what you will.

If you admire Lynn Thompson, and I personally don't know many who do, buy his knives. It's your money. __________________
Jerry Hossom
www.hossom.com



I am not a military person Jerry, but your wording on the "impressive kill count" can you elaborate on that?
Is it a percentage based thing or just sheer numbers that makes it impressive to you.
Killing people does not impress me in general, I realize it may need to be done, but it does not have that feel good impressed status with me as it seems to have with you.
Now I am just a new poster here, you may be an important "knife maker" and friend of Mr Burger and Co but my opinion as a human being is as good as anyones.
I am intrested in your thoughts, I thought Rambo was a movie made in Hollywood.
 
wolfmann601 said:
Your idea of a close paraprase is skewed. Jerry wrote that CS copied Strider. He did not ever say, hint, insinuate or remark that CS AND Strider copied Emerson. Be honest will ya??

And your bullshiit about truth not having to confront a liar. that's the typical line spewed by all keyboard Commandos. To PARAPHRASE: I am not going to call Mick a liar to his face, I am a pussy. Remember, be honest will ya!!!!

No one suggests dueling, what are you a crackhead? What is suggested is simply saying to the man face to face what you so brazenly type here. At the next show that Mick attends simply walk up to him, identify yourself and further discuss this like civilized Men. I know Mick is capable, are you?
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Wolfman, I have to respectfully disagree, although your namecalling doesn't speak well of you. It equates to going up to a hot head with combat training and telling him/her that 2 + 2 = 4. That person doesn't agree and he/she doesn't know how to debate without violence or offered violence so they start a fight. If the violent person wins that fight does that mean 2 + 2 = 5? And if the person who knew what it really added up to got beat does that make them any less right? I've never agreed with that crap about having to tell someone the truth to their face so you can be bullied into their train of thought more effectively. The truth is the truth no matter how/where it is stated. And this is about anyone who says/acts this way, not specifically Mick or anyone at Strider Knives. Does might make right? I don't believe so.
 
OilMan said:
Wolfman, I have to respectfully disagree, although your namecalling doesn't speak well of you. It equates to going up to a hot head with combat training and telling him/her that 2 + 2 = 4. That person doesn't agree and he/she doesn't know how to debate without violence or offered violence so they start a fight. If the violent person wins that fight does that mean 2 + 2 = 5? And if the person who knew what it really added up to got beat does that make them any less right? I've never agreed with that crap about having to tell someone the truth to their face so you can be bullied into their train of thought more effectively. The truth is the truth no matter how/where it is stated. And this is about anyone who says/acts this way, not specifically Mick or anyone at Strider Knives. Does might make right? I don't believe so.
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Good point, Oilman!

Actually, the post was worse and got edited quite a bit after I quoted it (and took a screenshot of it). I wouldn't have expected that given that someone had just accused someone else of not having courage and not being man enough to say something to somebody's face. I find the entire premise of the 'in person confrontation' suggestions especially odd since none of the information being discussed and questioned has anything to do with 'face-to-face' conversations; it's all about statements made here on the forums.

I find the "keyboard commandos" comment especially hypocritical, given the editing, but I suppose it is to be expected.

Regards,
3G
 
Vaako, you lied.

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Danno

I am not a military person Jerry, but your wording on the "impressive kill count" can you elaborate on that?
Is it a percentage based thing or just sheer numbers that makes it impressive to you.
Killing people does not impress me in general, I realize it may need to be done, but it does not have that feel good impressed status with me as it seems to have with you.
Now I am just a new poster here, you may be an important "knife maker" and friend of Mr Burger and Co but my opinion as a human being is as good as anyones.
I am intrested in your thoughts, I thought Rambo was a movie made in Hollywood.
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War is a lot about killing people. As for emotional responses to that fact, I believe we are both entitled to our opinions of what may impress us. A couple years ago I had the pleasure of meeting Chuck Mawhinney (also USMC) who had a confirmed kill count of 103. I thought that was pretty impressive.

Where did I say you weren't entitled to your opinion? In fact I said you were entitled to your opinon and were free to buy Cold Steel knives as you choose. You seem to have picked up Vaako's penchant for distorting what others say.

And BTW, I prefer the "knifemaker" spelling. That's how it's spelled by the Knifemakers Guild. If I failed to spell it that way elsewhere, it was a typo and I apologize.
 
Jerry Hossom said:
Vaako, you lied.

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Danno



War is a lot about killing people. As for emotional responses to that fact, I believe we are both entitled to our opinions of what may impress us. A couple years ago I had the pleasure of meeting Chuck Mawhinney (also USMC) who had a confirmed kill count of 103. I thought that was pretty impressive.

Where did I say you weren't entitled to your opinion? In fact I said you were entitled to your opinon and were free to buy Cold Steel knives as you choose. You seem to have picked up Vaako's penchant for distorting what others say.

And BTW, I prefer the "knifemaker" spelling. That's how it's spelled by the Knifemakers Guild. If I failed to spell it that way elsewhere, it was a typo and I apologize.
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Well said Jerry, to each their own.
I do not endorse Cold Steel at all, I have the Bushman and it is what it is, cheap but solid.
As for the Vaako comment I neither know him or have read many of his posts.
I am not sure what I have distorted in your opinion.
I think the Knife maker is my error error.
I will use your preferred spelling from here on Jerry.
You did not say I could not have an opinion, I was just intrested in yours.
I guess we are coming from opposite angles.
I am not intrested in "kill counts" etc
I am not intrested in snipers that take out the enemy at 1000 yards, if thats your bag so be it. (they are trained combat marksmen, no more or less) They are not attacking a machine gun nest with a Bayonet at the front of their troops. That is heroism where a soldier puts his life right on the line for his mates.
I know war has casualties, I just do not think it is to be gloryfied.
Make your knives and look up to the snipers that have shot lots of "people" if that makes you feel ok.

Regards
Dan
 
All the name calling about not buying plane tickets and getting hotel rooms to traipse across the country to track down someone just to say in person what is just as easily said online. Add to that the fact that if Strider has a lick of sense then no one has to be afraid of anything. With his record, he's not going to take a swing at anyone over any comments if he enjoys his freedom.
 
hardheart said:
All the name calling about not buying plane tickets and getting hotel rooms to traipse across the country to track down someone just to say in person what is just as easily said online. Add to that the fact that if Strider has a lick of sense then no one has to be afraid of anything. With his record, he's not going to take a swing at anyone over any comments if he enjoys his freedom.
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In Mick's/Striders' specific case people have been asked to come up and say something at a show. When he/they would be surrounded by the super faithful. It wouldn't necessarily be Mick or another Strider employee that would start the violence, perhaps just someone just trying to impress Mick/Strider. Either way it benefits only the violent to have such confrontations. IMHO
 
Knife Outlet said:
It was Cold Steel that first popularized the tanto blade with the general knife buying public back in the 1980's with the introduction of the tanto fixed blade series which is still available from Cold Steel. It wasn't Emerson, who to this day makes his single bevel grinds left handed. It wasn't Strider. It was Cold Steel. So who is copying whom? This whole thing is ridiculous.
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True. Ernie wasn't even first to use the tanto in a folder. I got my first tanto folder from Cold Steel back when I was still active duty in the Air Force stationed at Scott AFB in Illinois. It was a medium Shinobu lockback folder in San Mai steel. I even remember where I bought it at the Belleville Il. flea market. This was in the early 80s, which was long before Emerson was doing tanto blades for BenchMade and probably even for his own knives. I remember when I bought that knife and I remember why. It was because I had never seen anything like it before. It was totally new to me. And I was a knife nut for many years even at that young age. Can't say that I missed much back then. No one had seen a tanto folder before that to my knowledge. Not in a production anyway.

STR
 
"Military management principles, concentrated livestock feeding, and now a legal expert? Is there any end to your breathtaking skill set?"

Boats, you flame anybody who opposes your concepts, using sarcasm as a tool. Your personal interest in my skill sets is not really the point. You apparently do not assimililate all the facts and make a determination with grace and and understanding of a fellow human being. You have given many examples that you will twist any statement to bolster the defense of your views.

It's a great window into your mindset and the skills you picked up while in the military - open minded evaluation of facts, support of your fellow service men, and respect for the private lives of others.

Thank you for your brief service to our country.
 
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