Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

[Keith Montgomery]

And the same should go for Cold Steel. There are NO NEW DESIGNS in this industry. Just modifications of old, even ancient designs, some from other countries.

That's not really correct. There are lot's of new designs, it is just that they all use elements of designs that came before them.

I don't care who does or doesn't like Lynn Thompson but the fact is that he takes the designs that you all know and love and makes them affordable to the little guy who can't spend $325 of his military or regular pay on a single knife because while he's fighting the good fight his pay goes to feed his whife & kids or help take care of his family or whatever the buyer does with his money.

No arguing that, but I just wish that he had not decided to directly copy the Strder knife. It wouldn't have been difficult for LT to have changed the look enough for it to have been a CS design, but I personally think he copied the Strder on purpose.

If you're a young guy or girl and you're headin' off to the big sandbox and all you have to spend on a knife is $50-$100 would you rather these kids go with nothin' than with a Cold Steel?

Absolutely not.

Everyone who needs a knife & needs that knife in their line of work buy the best you can afford.

Excellent advice.

 

[Slatts]

Never mind.

 

[STR]

Actually if Ernie and Jerry as well as Paul Bos, Tom Mayo, Ken Onion, and a host of other makers and people in the industry too long to go into here have made it clear that they stand behind Mick, call him friend, and/or a brother, like a brother, like a son or any number of other things I've heard and read from them, I think that should be enough to shut everyone up, let this thread die and move on don't you? These are guys that surely know more than any of us and they have no trouble making up their minds where they stand now do they?

I know it goes a long way with me to see that kind of friendship between these guys. It also tells me that although Mick made some big mistakes in his life that he is now on the right path, in a good place and that perhaps people should accept that and let it be. We all stumble in life and many times fail. The true test of a man and his character is how he deals with it aftewards I think. I wouldn't be the man I am today if I didn't at one time learn the hard way and I'm sure no one else can say different, Mick included.

Ernie's statement on top of Jerry ready to stand by Mick and even sacrifice a large part of himself to try to draw some of the fire his way in his defense should be a wake up call to all of us IMO. We should all hope to have that kind of loyalty and foul weather friendships in our lives should hard times fall on any of us one day. I've not seen the equal of this kind of friendship in my lifetime anywhere. Not in my own life, not in friends, not from any of the many places I've lived. Its enough to make me post that in this regard I envy Mick. He has good folks watching his back. I can only hope mine are half as great.

STR

 

[jeyr]

Vaako, are you inferring that I am a carrion feeder? That in itself would imply that you have indeed conceded the fact that YOU were wrong, and your arguement is DEAD. And I being the carrion feeder, would be feeding off the steaming corpse of your arguement. I am content with that. If that is the case, then I will most gracioiusly take your apology for what it is. You are forgiven, for your little rant about Emerson being ripped off... Now off with you to do something productive for a change. I am just glad that you have seen the EXTREME error of your ways. See folks you can LEARN something each and everyday. Sometimes it can be a little challenging though right Vaako?


Oh and while you may find carrion feeders distastefull, they do serve a purpose. Without them we would be up to our eyes in decomposing bodies and other messy bits and pieces. I understand, being proven wrong can be embarrassing but please try not to let it get to you. It happens to everyone.

One more thing, have a wonderfull day.

 

[Boats]

Actually if Ernie and Jerry as well as Paul Bos, Tom Mayo, Ken Onion, and a host of other makers and people in the industry too long to go into here have made it clear that they stand behind Mick, call him friend, and/or a brother, like a brother, like a son or any number of other things I've heard and read from them, I think that should be enough to shut everyone up, let this thread die and move on don't you? These are guys that surely know more than any of us and they have no trouble making up their minds where they stand now do they?

I know it goes a long way with me to see that kind of friendship between these guys. It also tells me that although Mick made some big mistakes in his life that he is now on the right path, in a good place and that perhaps people should accept that and let it be. We all stumble in life and many times fail. The true test of a man and his character is how he deals with it aftewards I think. I wouldn't be the man I am today if I didn't at one time learn the hard way and I'm sure no one else can say different, Mick included.

Ernie's statement on top of Jerry ready to stand by Mick and even sacrifice a large part of himself to try to draw some of the fire his way in his defense should be a wake up call to all of us IMO. We should all hope to have that kind of loyalty and foul weather friendships in our lives should hard times fall on any of us one day. I've not seen the equal of this kind of friendship in my lifetime anywhere. Not in my own life, not in friends, not from any of the many places I've lived. Its enough to make me post that in this regard I envy Mick. He has good folks watching his back. I can only hope mine are half as great.

STR

Were this thread, and the others, only "about the past," I wouldn't have dwelled on it to nearly the extent I did.

However, between the US Army, federal prison, here, tactical forums, USN and Badlands, Mogadishu Mick came into being and that cardboard cut-out keeps getting propped up--as recently as this week. How his erstwhile friends all manage to remain ignorant of/condone/enable the Walter Mitty in their midst is the real mystery in this carnival of crapola.

 

[Vaako]

That in itself would imply that you have indeed conceded the fact that YOU were wrong, and your arguement is DEAD.

I was referring to the issue itself and the timing of your arrival.

Strange how silent you've been for the first 28 pages. Clearly you didn't have the strength of your convictions to weigh in prior to that. Others did.

I'll consider the merits of any lectures from you now in light of the many valuable insights you provided throughout the discussion.

I fully understand why Ernest Emerson said what he did, Michelle alluded to as much several pages back, and out of my own personal respect for the man I'll abide by it.

 

[jeyr]

Indeed I was wise enough to NOT speak for others, nor attempt to stir up a situation for no other reason than to bring some meager limelight to myself. While you apparently felt some unassailable urge to do just that. And then Ernie was polite enough to put that particular arguement to rest for EVERYONE save perhaps for you. Now if you are inferring that Mr. Emerson is speaking falsely, or is in some other way being false, well then you are simply MISTAKEN, once again. Ernie is a STAND up guy, he will tell you what he thinks, all you have to do is ask. Someone did just that, and he answered.

As for the strength of my convictions, well I have been following this thread since its inception, and I found myself in a quandry, should I make my thoughts known and further cloud or muddy the thread up. Further prolonging the inevitable revelation that your arguement was TOTAL bunk? Not to mention, dragging the thread away from the original intent which was to bring to light, once again the deplorable marketing of Lynn Thompson, or should I just wait until your situation had been sorted out as I KNEW it would and then politely point out that speaking for another person (Ernest Emerson and Emerson Knives) or even implying that they had been ripped off was in incredibly poor taste and showed a remarkably out of control ego?

Apparently I chose the later, and I salute you for again displaying the aforementioned ego for this community to see once again. Simply amazing, and yet your reply serves to once again begrudgingly get you a bit more of that amazing limelight..... I am more than happy to help you with your limelight needs.

I do think though that eventually people will figure out exactly what your continued posts on this topic really are and your credibility will begin to wane... Just a thought. Again I encourage you to have a wonderfull evening.

And finally, after having pointed out how this thread manages to get off topic so frequently, I am more than willing to contribute to another thread preferably in the whine and cheese area so that Vaako and I can discuss our differences. I would really like to see this one get back to its intended purpose, which was to SHOWCASE, Mr. Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel fame, and his DEPLORABLE marketing and outright theft of design. But of course that is simply my opinion. Shame on you Mr. Thompson for such a backhanded and transparent attempt at slyness. I would state that he should stick to what he knows, but apparently that would leave him with little or nothing to do.

 

[3Guardsmen]

Very well stated, Jeyr!:thumbup:

Regards,
3G

 

[Jerry Hossom]

There are NO NEW DESIGNS in this industry. Just modifications of old ancient designs, some from other countries.

Ah, now Andy that's just a little over the top, don't you think? If you're just referring to a blade and a handle, sure. But there are knives being made today that are unlike any heretofore. I grant you they often don't remain unique for long, because there are so many who knock off their unique elements in pretty short order, but for a while they catch a lot of peoples' eyes because they are indeed different.

I can promise you that knifemakers watch this happen all the time and respect each other most for creating new designs that don't rely on what others have done.

In the context of this thread, there's no question that most troops need a $100 knife rather than a $300 knife. But you can't discount the qualities of the $300 knife because you or others judge they are unnecessary. The real point here is do you need to make a $30 or $100 knife that is a direct cosmetic rip-off of the $300 knife or can you just come up with your own idea if what a $100 should look like that best serves the purpose?

Anyway, the subject was an instance of copying, not suggesting that everyone should have a license to copy.

 

[wolfmann601]

So now Vaako wants us all to believe Ernie's comments disingenuous???

You clearly have no clue do you?

After your face to face with Mick at whatever show you meet just head to the next table and tell Ernie that his comments about Strider are bullshiit and he should be more honest.

I hear Taps in the background, but the sound of gunfire won't be a 21 gun salute!!! :jerkit:

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I fully understand why Ernest Emerson said what he did, Michelle alluded to as much several pages back, and out of my own personal respect for the man I'll abide by it.

Give it a rest. You just have to be right don't you. Even Ernie's comments don't change your thinking. You actually think that your right and that Ernie is just being politically correct and doesn't want to upset the apple cart. I'll contact Ernie and let him know that you think he is a liar, but that you think he's doing it for selfless reasons. Actually, what I'll do is send him a quote of that post of yours. I'm sure he'll think that you respect him.

 

[Jim G.]

I actually think Vaako's comments are part of a strategy to derail the important part of this thread. While CS may be copy cats Mic Strider is a wannbe Ranger who lied to build his company up on the back of real service people every where. He was called on it in a court of law and was shown for the slimy wimpy sleaze ball he really is. I don't know why his partner puts up with it. Unless maybe they believe even bad publicity is better than no publicity

 

[Jerry Hossom]

Micky, there are just so many things wrong with what you just wrote. He was a Ranger; what were you? Just let it go.

 

[automated ugug]

Micky, there are just so many things wrong with what you just wrote. He was a Ranger; what were you? Just let it go.

Hi Michelle

sorry but i am a bit confused.. does that mean the court case never happened, or all the stuff about Mr Strider having to state that 'he was not a combat vet' is a lie?

The reason i ask is quite simple.. over at a UK knife based bulletin board i defended Mr Strider, Strider knives and publically stated that all the people who were hiring PIs should be boycotted. However the San Diego Court transcript is a matter of public record and it made a fair few us of seem like fools. It also makes me ashamed since i never said anything when people who questioned the Mick Strider story were being attacked.

If it is false then he should stand up for all of us who who stood behind him on the strength of his word. If it is true then he should be a man and apologise to all those who believed him, and to all those who suffered because they dared to question his story.

thanks

ug

sorry .. i'm having to go from thread to thread just to get an answer to this one question.. anyone? Mr Hossom, Michelle, somebody .. every time i turn around i'm told it was ok all along, everything that Mr STrider said was true and all hs detractors are bullshitters. On the other hand there is the verdict of the court case.

Please can someone just explain this one thing.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I actually think Vaako's comments are part of a strategy to derail the important part of this thread. While CS may be copy cats Mic Strider is a wannbe Ranger who lied to build his company up on the back of real service people every where. He was called on it in a court of law and was shown for the slimy wimpy sleaze ball he really is. I don't know why his partner puts up with it. Unless maybe they believe even bad publicity is better than no publicity

Vaako's comments, while I don't agree with them, at least have something to do with original topic that was posted here.

 

[automated ugug]

Vaako's comments, while I don't agree with them, at least have something to do with original topic that was posted here.

hey Keith.. actually i do apologise because mine aren't..but i am asking thesame question and no body is answering on any thread.. if i start a new one it will be said i am bashing Mr Strider.

cheers

ug

 

[Monocrom]

As I have stated before- I am a friend of LT and the crew at Cold Steel.

So that obviously do not have nearly the information that you internet CS Haters have.

Ask your friend why he decided to blatantly rip off another person's design, and then decided it was okay to call the other guy a rip-off artist.

Is your buddy just trying to make a fast buck, or is he actually delusional?

If his business practices were similar to those of Sal Glesser, I doubt there would be even a handful of CS Haters. Actually, it's not even CS that's the problem. I actually like some of the designs. (The ones that weren't blatantly copied from others). But your friend's business practices are why I'll never buy another CS product again.

I take some pride in being the reason why a certain Hapkido School in America has banned Cold Steel products from its Dojo. I didn't even have to lie to one of its students! I told her about your buddy's business practices. Told her the truth. She went to the School's Master Instructor. When he learned what type of person is in charge of Cold Steel, and which company actually makes the knives, he banned them from Live-blade practice in the Dojo.

Your buddy might not care if one or two folks boycot his knives.... but an intelligent business man knows that one or two could translate to quite a bit more; thanks to word of mouth.

 

[JimConvex]

hey Keith.. actually i do apologise because mine aren't..but i am asking thesame question and no body is answering on any thread.. if i start a new one it will be said i am bashing Mr Strider.

cheers

ug

Mr. Ugug,

That is because you are.

From what I can see, there are a very small number of people that care about your question, one way or another.

Mr. Strider has some very good friends here that are pretty prominent members of the knife community.

Mr. Strider must be a person that is well worth having as a friend.

I don't understand all the Hoopla about this but Mr. Strider must be someone a small number of people want to , somehow, pull down.

That is undeniable by the content of this thread.

If you and the other detractors here are trying to pull him down, it proves that you consider him higher then you are and can't stand to see him in that position.

It is unfortunate that you value Mr. Strider's Position in life more important than your own. All you are accomplishing here is to further make yourself seem even smaller.

Jim

 

[automated ugug]

Jim.. i'll admit that i am a maggot, scumbag or whatever low posiiton you deem that i should occupy .. Mick Strider is a way better person than i'll ever be..

but please .. just give me a straight answer to this question

Hi Michelle

sorry but i am a bit confused.. does that mean the court case never happened, or all the stuff about Mr Strider having to state that 'he was not a combat vet' is a lie?

The reason i ask is quite simple.. over at a UK knife based bulletin board i defended Mr Strider, Strider knives and publically stated that all the people who were hiring PIs should be boycotted. However the San Diego Court transcript is a matter of public record and it made a fair few us of seem like fools. It also makes me ashamed since i never said anything when people who questioned the Mick Strider story were being attacked.

If it is false then he should stand up for all of us who who stood behind him on the strength of his word. If it is true then he should be a man and apologise to all those who believed him, and to all those who suffered because they dared to question his story.

thanks

ug

 

[Boats]

Get off your effing high horse Jim.

FACT IS Mogadishu Mick has been caught in blatant lie after blatant lie, not necessarily about being in the 2/75, but about nearly every other freakin' detail of his spooky fantasy life.

In his own words on this forum and others he has claimed to be:

Too spooky to detail what he has or hasn't done.
Has asserted overseas deployments and combat experience.
Has claimed to kill people with knives.
Prowled the streets of Mogadishu.

AND ALL OF IT REPEATEDLY SHOWN TO BE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT PURE BULLSHIT.

As recently as this week, Tom Mayo was under the miserably wrong impression that Mogadishu Mick had a chestful of medals.

The dude is a lying sack, plain and simple. All of the bullshit he has uttered is available here, at TF.com, at USN, Badlands, and an American Handgunner Annual feature piece.

The unsolved mystery here is not why people are trying to tear down Aragorn, but why so many apparently otherwise stand-up people drink the kool-aid for him.