Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

Jerry Hossom said:
I gave you your answer Doc; it seems not to have satisfied you.

I believe what you are hung up on is some naivete on Mick's part in presenting what he believes, rightly or wrongly, to be exculpatory evidence. That his attorney's weasel words are not of much use as a legal argument, and Mick's belief in its value and posting of same depends on Mick's judgement of their merit. The lawyer's note is silent on issues of attorney/client discussions, as it must be knowing such would be used in a public discussion. What in fact was the understanding between attorney and client as well as between attorney and prosecutor? Who knows the answer to that? Where did the misrepresentation occur? That his arguments regarding the facts as he knows them are ignored, because he has presented them poorly is not evidence they are factually incorrect.

There is just no question there is sufficient doubt concerning some aspects of this that concluding everything said in this forum somehow carries greater weight than what is said elsewhere is nonsense. There is also some hypocracy in the belief that Spark commands fewer and less rabid supporters here than Mick does elsewhere.

If your think about it, there is something to be learned in the fact that Mick's supporters have come here to argue his case and offer support while few or none from here have done the same in support of Spark's position elsewhere. None here seem willing to speak with Mick directly at the Blade show, arguing without any evidence to support it they would be at some personal risk in doing so. That would seem to be an indictment of larcenous intent on the part of those who support Mick and might be at his booth when they visit. I think there is little doubt that constitutes guilt by association.

And for those of you who don't believe an attack on a friend is in fact an attack on yourself, I pity you.
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no jerry, you did not directly answer the questions. i think it speaks volumes that you are unwilling to do so. you and michelle are quite strong in your defense of mick but are unwilling to publically profess that you actually believe he told the truth about all that stuff.

as far as the lawyer "note", i have not read it as i posted on the "black forum" that i would not return after my initial interrogatories. if you or anyone would post it here or pm/email me it to me i will read it. most of those who have posted about it here (short of michelle) do not think it helps his case at all, but i will reserve my own comments until i have read what was actually written

as far as "online supporters", i do not put much weight into the opinions of sycophants...sorry

i have never been to blade, but if i went would i be willing to talk about it in person? sure, why not
 
I had no idea this subject was already brought up and turned into a 38-page very non-clandestine arguing operation. Don't regularly read the G, B, & U forum. I was hoping people would just say something like "ha ha yeah they suck let's go talk about carbides now." Oops.

I forgot about the throwing knife model. It fits the description, but maybe it didn't pop into my head because it was sold as a thrower. Oops.

I didn't even bother to read Cold Steel's product description. I clicked someone else's link to the page after seeing "the quote," and had to do a double-take to make sure I was actually on the real Cold Steel page. If I bothered to read the copy, I would have known it was one of those subjects and stayed away. Oops.

I'm not going to read 38 pages of this or join in the arguments. If someone could make a Steven Seagal movie out of it, maybe I would watch.
 
3Guardsmen said:
Sifu & MPE,

Guys, the dude you guys are quoting posted that on page 6 of this 37 page trainwreck.;) My guess is that dude probably forgot about by now. Be careful mentioning Emerson's name again in this thread, or this: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4317598&postcount=200 could happen again!
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not that again lol, my buddy vaako gets a little carried away sometimes.

it doesnt matter to me page 1 or 50, it was posted and needed to be adressed imho.
 
bandaidman said:
as far as the lawyer "note", i have not read it as i posted on the "black forum" that i would not return after my initial interrogatories. if you or anyone would post it here or pm/email me it to me i will read it. most of those who have posted about it here (short of michelle) do not think it helps his case at all, but i will reserve my own comments until i have read what was actually written
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Here is a link. You will have to log on to Badlands to read it.

http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4828
 
Doc, I've clearly expressed my support for Mick, his honesty and his position. I'm not sure why you think I or anyone else might owe you anything further, or anything at all for that matter. I certainly don't concern myself with your opinions of either me or the issues, nor do I care about whatever conclusions or comments might result from your intellectual masturbation on the matter. As for the "sycophant - online supporter" labels, I'll chalk that up to childish name calling in keeping with the drama of your departure from that Black place.

I wear a name badge at the Blade show as well as others. I'll be standing at table B1. If someone wants to meet an "in person supporter" of Mick Strider I'm easy enough to find. This is mostly a matter of my having less respect for nameless "online detractors" than "supporters in any context". It's easy enough to annonymously drag someone down. It's a little more difficult to support a person or issue while using your own name, with your own address and phone number available to anyone who wants it, and be willing to face whomever wishes to discuss that or any other matter at the next knife show.

Few who know me would consider me anyone's sycophant, but if that's your definition of sycophant, I suppose I am and proudly so.

"i have never been to blade, but if i went would i be willing to talk about it in person? sure, why not"

My, isn't that ballsy
 
Jerry Hossom said:
Doc, I've clearly expressed my support for Mick, his honesty and his position. I'm not sure why you think I or anyone else might owe you anything further, or anything at all for that matter.
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It's okay Jerry, I responded to him to (via private email) and stated the same thing although he's trying to claim I never answered his questions.

Bandaid man, can I ask you why you think you should have special treatment versus all the other folks in this forum? Do you feel your opinion is of such import compared to everyone elses? Me personally, I don't find your opinion any more important than anyone elses. EVERYONE's opinion is important no matter what side of the fence they are on.... it's part of that whole "right to have an opinion" thing. Doesn't matter to me whether they are a mechanic, gardener, teacher or doctor. Now when it comes to legal issues, I'm going to listen more to what the lawyers say, and when it comes to knife making issues, I'm going to listen more to what the reputable knife makers say, but other than that, I don't find you or your opinion more important than other folks. Your post comes accross as arrogant. Lastly, if the data is important to you, go look at it like the other people here have bothered to do. If its not, don't. It's no one's job to spoon feed it to you. As for your comments about your "interrogatories" in Badlands, I don't recall anyone getting any type of pleadings from you, or even really all that much of anything at all from you.

m1
 
Jerry Hossom said:
Doc, I've clearly expressed my support for Mick, his honesty and his position.
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How can ColdSteel prominently post what they do about Strider on their ColdSteel Web Site? If this information were not true, don't you think Strider Knives would sue them and fast too?
 
Michelle said:
Your post comes accross as arrogant.
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I love how asking people to be honest about themselves is considered "special treatment" - that's an arrogant opinion if I've ever heard one.
 
Spark said:
I love how asking people to be honest about themselves is considered "special treatment" -
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Spark, that is not at all what I was saying. What I said was arrogant was that he posts in such a way as to come across like his opinion is somehow more important than other peoples, that someone should spoon feed him data that is readily available to those who have taken the time to read it, and that it is soooo important to anyone that he read it, that we would do so.

Please don't twist my meaning here Spark. I am doing my best to address posts that come up from now on in a positive manner, or to only address ones that contain my name in them. I think that's fair at this point, don't you? Bandaidman's last post in BL contained the following:

bandaidman said:
mick
.........unfortunately, and i mean that sincerely, the threads that are going on elsewhere will not go away.

that is a shame because you do make nice knives and you have some great friends.
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So, even though bandaidman SINCERELY feels regret that the threads in here wont go away........ he helps keep them going.

Funny stuff that. No bone to pick with you here Spark. Not sure why you chimed in on this one, but, of course, it's your house.

Take care,

m1
 
Charlie Moore said:
How can ColdSteel prominently post what they do about Strider on their ColdSteel Web Site? If this information were not true, don't you think Strider Knives would sue them and fast too?
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Why would you think that? Lawsuits are expensive in time and money, and this one is unlikely to reach a satisfying judgement for either side. As a matter of personal pride, perhaps? But each side sees itself justified in the eyes of its friends, and is less worried about the antagonism of people whose minds are already made up. Silence is not assent. Silence may even be contempt, in this case, for a contemptibly placed attack.

After all, on the forums here and elsewhere, people get to discuss the issue. Cold Steel is experienced at making flamboyant statements but notoriously unresponsive to questions.
 
Spark said:
I love how asking people to be honest about themselves is considered "special treatment" - that's an arrogant opinion if I've ever heard one.
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Kevin, he wasn't asking people; he was asking me, and in a manner and tone that I too found arrogant.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Why would you think that? Lawsuits are expensive in time and money, and this one is unlikely to reach a satisfying judgement for either side. As a matter of personal pride, perhaps? But each side sees itself justified in the eyes of its friends, and is less worried about the antagonism of people whose minds are already made up. Silence is not assent. Silence may even be contempt, in this case, for a contemptibly placed attack.

After all, on the forums here and elsewhere, people get to discuss the issue. Cold Steel is experienced at making flamboyant statements but notoriously unresponsive to questions.
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Strider Knives is a business. One of Strider's competitors, ColdSteel, also a business, has gone out of their way to PROMINENTLY post on ColdSteel's Web Site home page a large graphic that links to information clearly designed to hurt Strider Knives' business.

I'm asking why Strider Knives, and not necessarily Mick Strider himself, has not taken action on what ColdSteel has done. Unless perhaps the information ColdSteel is posting on their Web site is in fact true; then, there is no action to be taken.

What's written in the various knife and gear forums is one thing, what is written on the official Web site of a business is quite different my view.

My opinion and belief is that if Strider Knives does not take action to have ColdSteel remove this information, then the information is probably true.
 
Michelle said:
What makes you make the statement that they havent?



The wheels of justice grind slow.... but they do grind, Sir.

m1
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No reason for slow here. This posting by ColdSteel is damaging to Strider Knives' business, and therefore Strider can make a case (assuming the info is not factual) for immediate relief via an injunction or other legal means.
 
Charlie Moore said:
This posting by ColdSteel is damaging to Strider Knives' business,.
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Im not sure that anyone could prove that this is the case...
Strider Knives seems to be doing fine...I cant find any posts by the supporters of Strider Knives, or of the people that work there that hint that business is down at all.

In fact, given the demand for their knives due to the war in iraq, as well as the price i see listed for the knife I wanted to get, (over $300) I got to believe that Cold steel's website is a moot point as far as effecting Strider Knives goes....

Is there any proof that Strider Knives is 'hurting" because of anything at all?

Has anyone from Strider Knives said anything about business being down for any reason at all?
 
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