Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

Thomas, After reading http://www.coldsteel.com/strider.html, do you still think there are no negative comments about SKI?
I was speaking of BF. I hadn't bothered to read what LT had to say, having little confidence in his veracity ("Strongest" "Sharpest" etc.). Now I have.

The only comment on the product(s) is: "sharpened bars of steel wrapped in 40 cents of Para cord. . . ."

"Starpened"? Lots of testimonials that this is true.
"Steel"? Yup.
"40 cents of Para cord"? I have no idea. But if it's $1.00 instead, I see little to be gained in brining an action for defamation.

He also clearly implies that SKI products are overpriced. This is clearly a matter of opinion and is not actionable.

The rest is about Mr. Strider, not the quality of SKI products or the cutomer support given those products.
 
Honestly if customer support and warranty are worth anything at all then its quite clear that Strider blows the doors off Cold Steel there. This is across the board even for Cold Steels most expensive knives as well as the ones with .$40 worth of cord on a bare handle. But I guess for the money diffference the Striders should be the better covered of the two in the case of the knives in question at least.

STR
 
Well, I wouldn't go that far. It's true most of this has probably been recorded, but it's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be, Jerry. As stated repeatedly through this, the truth & reasonable belief & opinion are all valid defenses. Furthermore, it's interesting that people can excuse lying when done to promote someone, but when the truth comes out they froth at the mouth for people to be sued.

I said this: "It really doesn't matter what it may say now. What matters is what it has said, EVER. You don't get an "oops, I'll take that part back" in these cases. I'm pretty sure everything said by everyone in this matter is well recorded and witnessed." Today 11:26 AM

Kevin, almost every time you quote me your response is wide of the mark about what I said. I merely said it was recorded, likely in all its iterations, and did not suggest any of this was a simple matter. I said nothing of defenses or lack thereof, and I promise there is not so much as a dribble of froth around my mouth.
 
I was speaking of BF. I hadn't bothered to read what LT had to say, having little confidence in his veracity ("Strongest" "Sharpest" etc.). Now I have.

The only comment on the product(s) is: "sharpened bars of steel wrapped in 40 cents of Para cord. . . ."

"Starpened"? Lots of testimonials that this is true.
"Steel"? Yup.
"40 cents of Para cord"? I have no idea. But if it's $1.00 instead, I see little to be gained in brining an action for defamation.

He also clearly implies that SKI products are overpriced. This is clearly a matter of opinion and is not actionable.

The rest is about Mr. Strider, not the quality of SKI products or the cutomer support given those products.

I disagree. Strider Knives (as opposed to Mick Strider) is listed twice and in italics to boot. Reading all of the ColdSteel rant in its entirety; I clearly see it as an attack on on SKI as well as Mick Strider. Further, regarding branding and perhaps copyright or trademark aspects, any attack on Mick Strider the person might conceivably also be an attack on SKI in this particular situation.
 
I said this: "It really doesn't matter what it may say now. What matters is what it has said, EVER. You don't get an "oops, I'll take that part back" in these cases. I'm pretty sure everything said by everyone in this matter is well recorded and witnessed." Today 11:26 AM

Kevin, almost every time you quote me your response is wide of the mark about what I said. I merely said it was recorded, likely in all its iterations, and did not suggest any of this was a simple matter. I said nothing of defenses or lack thereof, and I promise there is not so much as a dribble of froth around my mouth.

Meh, whatever. I guess we'll just have to have different opinions of things and agree to disagree. Besides Jerry there's no mention of "Jerry Hossom" when I said "It's interesting that people can excuse..." etc. Are you speculating that I meant you?
 
Besides Jerry there's no mention of "Jerry Hossom" when I said "It's interesting that people can excuse..." etc. Are you speculating that I meant you?

In light of the fact that you began your post with a quote of what I said, I'd say a reasonable person might conclude that. Are you respresenting you didn't? :rolleyes:
 
jerry, you are not a syncophant. you are mick's friend and i see no reason why you would need to ingratiate yourself to him. the comment was not directed to you and i think you know that. sorry if you had a different impression.

michelle, you did indeed email me several weeks ago. my comment was regarding those who take strong stands on broad issues PUBLICALLY (like supporting a buddy on a forum) but do not take PUBLIC stand on specific issues (like....do you believe what the same buddy said to be true or not?, that would mean in this case simply answering y/n).

if i believe pretty strongly in something/someone i usually have no problem answering specific questions about it. publically sidestepping direct questions germain to the issue can cause people to doubt the sincerity of a position. sometimes there are good reasons for not doing so and that must be taken into account.

you did tell me that you did not answer online because you had already stated your final word on the subject here and i respected that. however, you have obviously returned so i do not think the comment is unfair.

as far as the term interogatorries, it was simply a response to jerry's use of the term "esculpatory". it does mean "request for information" which was my goal and i thought it was humorous in light of the previous post. it appears it was not, sorry.



i was sincere in my statement that i do not think these kind of threads will not go away until there is clarification of many of the issues at stake here. i still think that. many of the explanations provided raise more questions than answers.

this is not arrogance on my part.

i would submit it is more arrogant to expect people to accept incomplete, vague and often conflicting answers.


there is a simple way to resolve all this


for example.

the combat /military record.

post an unredacted dd214. mick unequivoqly stated here he is a combat veteran and that he charged a gunman with a knife in the service of the us government. the public record does not show a CIB or any combat medals. there is the issue of the osman lawsuit settlement contradicting this as well.

tell us where and when these events occured and this issue is settled

mick has posted he injured his spine and that is the reason he was removed from the rangers. he has posted that "I smashed the cable that runs from my Ranger Ass through my neck to my Ranger computer. Because of this, I walked around with numb hands and feet" and "Every toe was broken, every nail was missing…my toes almost had to be removed. No…I did NOT fall out."

i had difficulty matching the described symptoms as presented with known patterns of spinal injuries. attempts to obtain clarification were unsuccessful.

it is certainly his right not to provide more information but if you are going to use a medical excuse, post one that makes sense.


mogadishu, the carjacking etc

mick has posted he worked with some hard hitters andthat they did some good and some not "less so".

i will make this one easy. what good things did you do with these people?



when one reads mick's description of the events plea bargain


While in the courtroom, during my sentencing…when the prosecutor was supposed to be saying “Your Honor, we recommend Mr. Strider be sentenced to one year service in Somalia…” what came out of his mouth was “we changed our mind…”

it clearly implies the the prosecutor changed his mind at the last moment. that would really suck!!! providing a copy of a written plea agreement would absolutely lay this issue to rest. apparently there is a letter from his attorney saying that a mogadishu plea bargain was discussed with the prosecutor. it is a long way to go from a defense offer to an acutal agreement. a statement from his attorney specifically supporting mick's statement would be very useful in this case
 
it clearly implies the the prosecutor changed his mind at the last moment. that would really suck!!! providing a copy of a written plea agreement would absolutely lay this issue to rest. apparently there is a letter from his attorney saying that a mogadishu plea bargain was discussed with the prosecutor. it is a long way to go from a defense offer to an acutal agreement. a statement from his attorney specifically supporting mick's statement would be very useful in this case


Thank you. That is exactly what I said and also posted about when I saw the letter.

STR
 
In light of the fact that you began your post with a quote of what I said, I'd say a reasonable person might conclude that. Are you respresenting you didn't? :rolleyes:

I'm representing that there's a significant double standard in place when it comes to this matter. I'll illustrate it like this: you think I said you were foaming at the mouth. Ok, fair enough, that's your opinion. Since you are so good at reading what people are implying though, how about you address this post I made: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4353699&postcount=14

Since it's a fact that Mick Strider is a convicted felon, who was (at the time) released from his armed carjacking conviction, and since the terms of his release spell out that "The defendant shall not possess a firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921" what do you think Mick Strider was implying when he made the following statements?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1707061&postcount=27
Not that my input counts after Vince and Pat, but I wear an SOE force vest left panel and a SOE patrol vest right panel. The Zipper pocket on the Force right panel didn’t work for me. On the left side behind the mag pouches I mount a SAW box. It will hold seven M4 mags or a ton of shotgun. On the right I wear a SOE mask cover. I never carry a mask in it. I use it to carry my throwables. The only knife I carry on the vest is an SLCC on the shoulder (cool guy style).
I always wear my knife on my first line gear. I move it to wherever it fits, but usually either on the pistol belt just behind the pistol hanger, or on the holster leg strap.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1708508&postcount=32
I dump mags in several different ways.
As a default, I use an empty buttpack. But I also have an off side sub-load drop pouch, as well as a pouch that I mount from the front of my vest. It kind of depends on how much ammo Im dragging around. If I have immediate re-supply (never), I carry less mags and have more space to stuff empties. A lot of people drop their mags on the ground when they have a trailer group to police them. Im a picky mag motherfker, I like to keep my own if I can. Nothing I hate worse than running out of ammo when I have a whole mag full of pain pills that I could send down range if only the mag would function. I personally don’t like the SOE drop pouch. Well… I love the pouch, just not as a drop pouch. I use them as mag pouches, but they are to small to work well as an M4 drop. You could only get one or two mags in there if they went in wrong. I use the SOE horizontal mask cover

I don’t wear a riggers belt. It is too much for me to just hold up the pants. I use a regular belt to hold my pants. Then my first line is on a rigid duty belt. I use suspenders on this because it has the ability to hold 21 m4 mags if I need it to. If you guys want Ill shoot some photos of my current rig. I have run the gamut of this’s and that’s and have gone back to utility.

and posted this image: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67285&d=1171183185

Would you say he's implying he was carrying and using firearms on a regular basis? If he wasn't, would that make him a liar Jerry? Further, if he was telling the truth, would that mean that he's implying he's breaking the law?

Please, with your expert powers at deducing the true meanings of words, educate us as to what Mick Strider implied with those words and pictures, since our reasonable conclusions are obviously wrong. After all, you believe and trust him, right?
 
Would you say he's implying he was carrying and using firearms on a regular basis? ]
SPARK, can you help me see where Strider says he used a forbidden firearm?
I look and look at your posted quote of Strider's statements , and I really dont see what you see at all.
The topic of Strider's post seems to be about his views on gear vests and different belts and something called a "pouch" ...but as far as I know he is allowed to wear such clothes.

I cant find anything posted in the quote of Strider where he clearly says something that would mean he has broken the law.

As far as I know, he can wear any type of clothes that he wants to.
Im not trying to be a troublemaker here, and I sure dont want you to get mad at me for asking, but I dont see what you see.
So could you please, please, point to the words of Strider that you believe should clearly show me what you see so clearly?

Strider does offer us his views on different gear, but we should expect him to do that because offering his views on such gear is sort of his job now.

Now he does talk about the one weapon he admits to carry, something he calls an "SLCC on the shoulder (cool guy style)."
I have no idea what a SLCC is, but if it's a gun then Strider has clearly made an error to say this on-line.
(however I think it's a knife and as far as I know he is very much allowed to carry a knife, lucky too because he makes so many good ones!)
 
Alan whether he used it or not is irrelevant. He implied how he carries it. Now had he implied how he used to carry it before he was a convicted felon then it would be clarified. I believe Spark is reading that by his words and the way it is written, Mick implied that he 'actively' makes it a habit to carry a gun and ammo and he actually details how and pretty much why he prefers that method because he is a picky mag mother.

This simply reads that he actively shoots on a range during drills. Now if he is referring to the 'good ole days' when he was active duty thats fine. It reads as if he still was doing such when he typed this though or at least at around that time. I think thats what Spark picks up as well.

Its a crime for a convicted felon to own, carry or conceal ammo or firearms. There may be special exceptions with a waiver but again if Mick is one of the special exceptions no one has shown that to be the case. Also, if one was to argue that he is only carrying ammo then again it makes no sense to carry magaizines (plural) for a firearm if you don't have the gun. Nor does it make any sense to own the holster filled with mags filled with ammo with no gun. All of which could be reason to search a car, house or person if only one of any of these items were found on or near him or his possessions.
STR
 
Alan whether he used it or not is irrelevant. He implied how he carries it.
again,,,I just dont see the actual sentence where you get that he makes this statement....

When I read SPARK'S post of the Strider quotes I see Strider talking about a gear vest and his thoughts about it.
But as far as I know he is still allowed to wear such clothes.

The gear vest gets his review.
We should expect that being that such vests are common with many knife owners that the Strider company would have some advice about the usefullness of such vests.

As far as I can see, offering his views and perhaps even offering to design and sell his own "STRIDER" gear vest is completely within the law.
Now Im not attempting to get anyone mad at me, but I want to understand what you guys are talking about and what statements by Strider am I not looking at?
 
it makes no sense to carry magaizines (plural) for a firearm if you don't have the gun.
I have no idea about the law in this situation.
So I will have to defer to you guys on that.
I have no idea if a convict can wear a gear vest with rounds, or even empty clips to be able to judge the usefullness of the vest.
So I will have to see what you guys have on that. I just dont hang around guys that have any law problems owning a gun.
So I never had to learn what the law states.

It is however very interesting in the SPARK posting of the Strider statements, that Strider never clearly says he carries bullets, But rather Strider goes on-and-on talking about "mags"
Again I have no idea what the current law states about 'mags", but as far as I know "mags" are them metal clips you can put bullets inside right?
But the Striker review does not seem to be about bullets or "mags", but rather it is about how the vest holds clips.
Is it against the law for Strider to wear such a vest with some type of pockets that carry them metal clips?...I have no idea.

The SPARK posting of the Strider statements is more about a review of how he feels about a gear vest, so thats what we should keep in mind anyway. So keeping in mind the correct context (of a review of a gear vest) I dont think we get lost as to what should be our interest here....

Want to prove Strider is a lier?...Fine, I got no problem with that, and this is how you would do that-
If Strider's review of the vest states that he owned such a vest in question, and we find out that later he never even tried one on?...then Strider would be a lier...
another place to prove Strider is not telling the truth is found in the very clear statements by Strider that he does carry a knife called the SLCC.
If later anyone can prove that he does not even own such a knife, or does not carry it , then thats all we need to know.
But so far I have not seen anyone try to say he was lieing about what he said in his review.
 
Allan, actually, if you read the release paperwork, no he's not allowed to carry a knife or other dangerous weapon except under certain conditions. The question is, what is he implying? Why would he be talking (and showing off) some CQB setup, complete with holster, mag pouches (with visible firearms magazine) when he can't have firearms? Is it to imply that he's using firearms on a regular basis? Why would he talk about having "run the gamut" of various magazine carrying solutions if he's not actually allowed to have firearms unless he's implying he was?

So, there's three possibilities that I can see.
1. He's lying through his teeth and not actually handling mags, "throwables" (IE grenades), dumping mags through guns, etc.
2. He's telling the truth (and breaking the law)
3. He's just a poser who gets cool guy gear for stuff he can't use.

None of them speak highly of his behavior.
 
Allan, actually, if you read the release paperwork, no he's not allowed to carry a knife or other dangerous weapon except under certain conditions. The question is, what is he implying? Why would he be talking (and showing off) some CQB setup, complete with holster, mag pouches (with visible firearms magazine) when he can't have firearms? .
First,.
If it's against the law for Strider to carry a knife and Strider makes his own, then he is going against the law.
That seems clear, He does clearly say he does carry a knife, and if thats against the law then he should stop breaking that law.

I would question how he can ever eat a steak again?.
But the law is the law, and if he is not even allowed to carry or hold any knives then thats the law he should start to keep.

Now the rest of the quoted statement by Strider is his review of a gear vest.
as far as I know he is allowed to own and wear any and all the different vests that he wants.
It's not any of our business what he does with them, as they (as far as I know) are totally within the law for him to own.

Now from what I understand, under the law Strider can own a holster, mag pouches and all the other things he talks about in his review of the gear vest.
Again what he does with them is none of anyone's business as long as he does not break the law.

We both see now that Strider has not claimed in your posted quote to be using them in ways that go against the law.
He, as well as you and I, have every right to wear such gear vests filled with mags ...
In order to be able to have a point of view about the vest in question I think it's only to be expected that he would have tried the vest on and seen how it works as he talks about in his review...

Nothing noteworthy here, nothing I can see that goes against the law...
The one place in the whole of the review where Strider does admit to doing something that may in fact be against the law is his very clear statement that he does carry a knife.

I never knew that fellons could not own a knife, but if thats the case? ( and you are right about that law) then I stand corrected about my claim that he has done nothing wrong.....

But being a knife maker, if simply holding a knife is against the law for him from now on, then he is not going to be a knife maker very long,
and all of this topic is about to become a moot point.
 
This is turning into a real Rosie O Vs. Trump thing here! They are bolth a couple of scum bags with a soap box that have managed to piss each other off.

Stand back and watch the show! :D

Law states that Strider cant CARRY a knife or a weapon. It doesnt say he cant USE or hold one. :rolleyes: Dont worry. Mick wont starve to death because its against the law for him to use an eating utencil. :rolleyes:
 
Allan, really, read the paperwork. I've already asked you repeatedly to read the information posted in the threads, and the threads themselves, so I'm done warning you. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67286&d=1171183361

You do this again and you are banned, period. Your laziness is no excuse.

You are right, there's nothing against him owning magazines or a vest. It's never been said it's illegal for him to own a vest or magazines.

There's also no point in him doing so, or mentioning it, or showing pictures of it, unless he's implying that he's using the guns that go with it, is there? Yes or no?

There's also no reason for him to say he's dumping mags and wanting to try out pistols, and various other firearms related things, unless he's implying he's using firearms on a regular basis which is against the law for him to do

So, what's the excuse Allan? Is he a poser, or a liar, or is he breaking the law? It's pretty simple. A or B or C
 
\ (IE grenades), .

Here is where I just have to point something out....
Where did you get the term "grenades" from his text?

As far as I can see, (and I have read his vest review a number of times) I just dont see where he used the term "grenade"

HOWEVER, as I have said before:
Strider does write about himself in a style where he will say things that are foggy as to his real meanings.
This is a clever way for Strider to get his readership to "color-in" things that he does not actually say at all...
"grenades" is a good example to look at to see this working.

Watch how this works...
The word is not found in the statements of Strider at all.
it's been added to his statement later by you SPARK, but thats your doing , not mine, not anyone elses, not strider's...
You alone have decided that the word "Grenade" should be inserted into the text where it is not found.

Ok, well I guess each of us is free to add our own extra words and meanings to the text of another all we want as long as there is no harm in what we do.

But Im not going to hold Strider, or you, or anyone else as to be to blame for something that I have added on my own to your words....

That would be like me saying in a forum post, "I went with my brother today to visit my dad's grave" , and some guy blameing me for something because he adds things to my statement , such as:
"I went with my brother ( druggy) today to visit my dad's grave, (smoke pot)"

Strider writes in a style that makes use of terms and words that have no clear meaning..they are foggy
This has got you to toss in your own meanings to color-in what Strider left out.
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But if we are to now sit in judgement of Strider's posts then we better not be finding him guilty for the things we have added all on our own.
 
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