Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

i just gotta make the next knife show and see all these folks who crucify one another on the net interact in real life, that my friends outta be something to see, i wonder if the folks who promote shows have any idea the shitstorm thats coming lol.

maybe they should get a little extra security lol.
 
Nah. This kind of talk goes on pretty frequently, people are always mouthing off "You wouldn't dare say that to me in person" and sometimes they go on and on about how they're going to meet at the next knife show. So far the score is:

stabbings = 0
shootings = 0
shovings = 0

Internet tough guys are a lot like pro wrestlers, except after all the mouthing off they don't have a wrestling match.
 
It depends on who you hear from Cougar. Some, well, one person in particular seems to imply by his posts and other statements on a certain forum that people are asked out back for an ass kicking quite often at big shows as well as implying that he has been involved in some of these scuffles a time or two because he 'fights his own fights' as I recall him saying to me. But I do believe you are correct though that its all hot air.

As for the 'dumping mags' statement by Mick. There is only one real reason to be dumping mags repeatedly unless you just like going through the motions with no weapon in hand and that would imply its because the mags were full going in and empty when dumped. Something has to be responsible for emptying those mags and we call that something a firearm of some kind or another these days.

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Here is where I just have to point something out....
Where did you get the term "grenades" from his text?

As far as I can see, (and I have read his vest review a number of times) I just dont see where he used the term "grenade"

Watch how this works...
The word is not found in the statements of Strider at all.
it's been added to his statement later by you SPARK, but thats your doing , not mine, not anyone elses, not strider's...
You alone have decided that the word "Grenade" should be inserted into the text where it is not found.

Alan - throwables is military slang for grenades: Flash bang, fragmentation, smoke. Pretty simple. Again, if you aren't going to bother to read the text, get out of the thread. Actually the term was very well popularized by Counter-Strike, which is hilarious in it's own right.

But if you think he's talking about "something else" :rolleyes: be my guest. I guess plain english will never be enough for some people.
 
Okay, I have kept mum on this one for awhile. I have already made my view clear in previous threads.

From my point of view, I think that there are 2 issues essentially at hand here-
1. Should LT and CS posted the Strider info in question?
2. If the info is accurate, then so what?

1. As I have said before, LT is the UberKnifeKnut. He not only runs a major knife company, but lives for knives, guns, hunting, martial arts and the like. The whole reason he started CS was his dissapointment with the general quality and performance of mass-produced knives and their inability to meet the needs of tougher users.

That being said, you will not find a knife producer more commited to research and testing of product. He wants them to perform as promised and meet not only his high expectations, but that of the customer. Reputation and and the ability to back-up your promises is very improtant to LT. Like him or not, he does everything in his power to live up to his own high standards.

Is he a muckraker? Does he stir the pot? Does he get up on his soap box and challenge others to do the same? Yes. He makes no apologies for that and does not make statements he won't back-up.

So it just stuck in his craw that Strider was getting his ass-kissed by the knife media and community when his entire reputation- the reputation that he built his business on- was a lie! Read LT's entire letter to the public on the site. While he may not have been a fan of the end product of SKI, he didn't say anything because it was not his place to besmirch someone who had "been there-done that" in the military when LT had not. Then it comes out that Strider had lied about his history, and the knife community and media still kissed his ass and acted like nothing had happened.

LT and CS has been a friend of the military and law enforcement since the company's inseption over 25 years ago. CS has made both special runs of "sterile" knives and specially engraved knives for specific military units requesting such, donated thousands and thousands of $ worth of product to the military and bends over backwards in the cust. svc. department when dealing with military personell. Does he advertise that? No, that was either a gift or support to our fighting men and women- not a PR stunt. He will advertise that the SRK is the best selling knife to the military- because he has PX purchasing and order information to back that up. He did advertise (if I remember this correctly- forgive me if the details are a bit fuzzy)that the SRK was standard issue to BUDs because he had purchase and order information to back that up. Why not advertise such? It is true and promotes the company in a very positive light with both the military and the public. At no point did LT ever intone or imply that his product is superior due to the fact that he had "been there- done that" with the military and/or spec ops. That would have been a lie. Not something to build a reputation and a business on.

Then Strider comes along and makes false claims about a military background and hsitory to build a business on. He implies by said history that he knows about the needs of military personell and knife users because of his extensive experience as a "high-speed operator". He talked hard-working people into giving him their money- a lot of money- for his product based on a lie. I don't care if the product can walk on water if I purchased it based on a lie. Especially if that lie dishonors those who deserve the most honor and a debt of gratitude from us. How dare he try to steal the rep from our fighting men and women.

No one in the knife industry or media was slamming Strider for said lie. No one was calling him on the carpet for his deception. Well, LT had finally had enough of it and stepped up on his soap box and called a spade a spade. Do you detractors honestly think that LT did not know the risk to his own rep and that of his company? Do you honestly think he didn't calculate every possible outcome? He did. He knew the risk. But the truth was more important to him than that. Was it his place to do so? Well, if the choice was to either let this just get swept under the rug and continue to allow Strider to act with impugnity and BS the knife community and the military, or for someone with some guts to stand up and cry foul, then, yes, it was his place.

2. There have been several on this thread and others that have said, "so what?" They don't care about the reputation of the maker as long as the product does as promised. Fine, then do not bitch either way and you really do not have much of an argument in this debate. You should also not care where a product is made, what the rep of the company or its management is, what they do, how much they pay, or who they hurt to make said product. So, you should also not care about that company's detractors. Just sit back and enjoy your apathy. Let the rest of us who actually give a damn beyond our own selfish interests debate here.

So, for those of us who actually care, how can one defend the business practices of someone who built their rep on a lie. What if you wanted to buy a piece of property and hire an inspector. His ads read "best inspector", "most experience", "former contractor and developer". You hire him for said rep, he inspects your property, advises you it is fine, and you spend your money to buy it. Then, you find out that this inspector lied and was never a contractor- but worked on a constructoion crew one summer while he was in high school. Would you trust his judgement in the property you already bought? Wouldn't you feel ripped-off by this person- even if the property in question was in perfect condition and his judgement was accurate- based solely on his fabricated reputation? I know I would.

CS has, as expected, received calls and emails regarding this turn of events. Many have been negative and angrily so. But, of those who have been positive, most have been from military, veterans, and families of such. Many of these responses have been thank-you's for exposing the truth and honoring those who really deserve the reputations they have earned.

I have not spoken to LT since this has gone online. But, I bet that those thank-you's from military folks is worth all the hassle to him.
 
Then Strider comes along and makes false claims about a military background and hsitory to build a business on. [...]

No one in the knife industry or media was slamming Strider for said lie. No one was calling him on the carpet for his deception. Well, LT had finally had enough of it and stepped up on his soap box and called a spade a spade.

The B.S. Meter just redlined. Who do you think you're kidding, coming to BF with that?

The Strider story has come up time and again here, with documentation from both sides and arguments constantly fought over it.

Spark just sat down and put all the paperwork together in one place, LT read it and copied it, and you think you can tell me this is stepping up ???

He saw a chance to get a cheap dig in, after someone else had done the groundwork. If he's so dedicated to getting the story out, how about having him show up and discuss it, like the rest of us have, not running his mouth on his own website, where no one can respond.
 
Actually, I've said this before - I didn't know jack about this until I saw this thread & the new knife from Cold Steel. Kevin McClung is the first one (that I know of) that posted the "Mick Strider is a felon" info on the web, which was in 2005. I saw this stuff at SHOT in 2007, and didn't even think much of it until I saw the controversy in this very thread. Even after reading it, it wasn't until Mick Strider made the Somalia claims in February that I said "enough is enough" and started digging. Then I did the research and put together what I've posted.

If Lynn Thompson hadn't made the 80GI and started this brouhaha, I'd never have put 2+2 together. If Kevin McClung hadn't posted the information in 2005, I'd never have the case numbers to check out. Apparrently (according to the groupies) there was a huge PI packet that went out to people (as mentioned in previous threads) that McClung, Thompson, and others got 2nd hand, so the ground was already laid for something like this. The POWNetwork had been alerted to Mick Strider's claims in 2005 as well.

If the Strider supporters hadn't been so vociferous in their denials that Mick Strider hadn't done anything wrong, and this stuff hadn't kept coming up over years, I'd never have even bothered looking into things to find out for myself (like Michelle suggested ;) ) Unfortunately, once you scratch the surface you find out that the facade is just a coverup that doesn't withstand scrutiny
 
The B.S. Meter just redlined. Who do you think you're kidding, coming to BF with that?

The Strider story has come up time and again here, with documentation from both sides and arguments constantly fought over it.

Spark just sat down and put all the paperwork together in one place, LT read it and copied it, and you think you can tell me this is stepping up ???

He saw a chance to get a cheap dig in, after someone else had done the groundwork. If he's so dedicated to getting the story out, how about having him show up and discuss it, like the rest of us have, not running his mouth on his own website, where no one can respond.

I said in the industry- not the community. And the whole "Rock-Star" thing came after the informatin was released.
 
i sure dont understand why anyone had to put 2+2 together on this issue, pretty much everything posted was already on one/or another knife forum, i've seen it all before, and quite a while ago to boot, there is nothing new here at all, spark just put it all in one place, together, but i dont think i've seen anything "new" at all.

if i have heard all about it it suprises me that the big shots in the knife industry have not, after all who am i compared to LT, spark, etc.

maybe all the bluster and such is hot air, speaking for myself if someone launched a personal attack on me, and i had a chance to even the score, i pretty much would irregardless of the consequences, been there/done that. hopefully cooler heads will prevail, right??
 
Well, no offense but I for one had no idea the Mick Strider wasn't a special forces dude, or that he'd never actually been in combat, or that he'd been lying all these years. According to many others in the threads, they didn't either. And they also found his behavior despicable. So, as for the why, considering the frequency that all these threads kept coming up with, it makes sense to put it all together.

If you don't like it, I respect your opininon. That said, don't blame me for collecting the information when it's the truth, and not blame Mick Strider & crew for perpetuating the lie (intentional or otherwise). Those aren't my quotes in the "Mick Strider has some explaining to do" thread - they are his.

I'm not a big shot. I have no illusions like that. Like I said before, I'm just a vet. The difference is, I own this site, and Mick Strider used it to lie about himself, lie to me, and lie to the members here. Mick Strider's supporters continued to use it to say that it was just a bunch of BS allegations. They encouraged people to check for themselves. So, fair enough, I did. My apologies that the facts don't bear out his stories.
 
never said he wasnt full of shit, did i??

no reason to get defensive with me lol, my only point was none of this is new, its been around for a long time now, and i was suprised that you for one would not have heard it all allready, and quite a while ago too. same goes for LT.

everyoner acts shocked, oh my god, he lied, etc, he did, and it was a silly ass baby thing to do imho, but the fact that he is full of BS is not a new revelation.

evidently he has a lot of friends and they are willing to give him a pass on this, maybe he was experiencing some mental problems and they wanna see him get better or something? who knows??
 
I think LT's thinking had more to do with his bottom line.....

Do you know LT? This is again another case of blustering and "inuendo-as-fact" from this crowd when it comes to LT, CS, and any of their supporters.

I do know LT. I know that Strider and his company does not effect the CS bottom line one way or another. Strider can either excel or flop, and CS will still have its market share.

Believe what you want, but, like I have sait before, LT is the uberknifeknut and a big supporter of the military. His commitment to the industry, and to the military was his primary motivation behind his actions.
 
His commitment to the industry, and to the military was his primary motivation behind his actions.

And so he waited 2 whole years to show such commitment to the industry and the military because, why? (all the while making his snide remarks toward Strider without having the e-balls to mention their name).

This is hilarious if you think anyone is buying this. He let someone else do the "work" and stick their neck out. He's committed only to slamming others in the industry if he perceives he can get away with it without liability. His most recent "interview" where he takes a swipe at everyone from Kershaw to Spyderco, and his past nastiness to Busse and others tells most folks everything they need to know about LT. His commitment appears to be only to his bank account.

I'm with Esav on this.

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And so he waited 2 whole years to show such commitment to the industry and the military because, why? (all the while making his snide remarks toward Strider without having the e-balls to mention their name).

Actually that doesn't bother me too much Michelle because until recently the whole story was factual in many ways with the carjacking and prison time but the AWOL, along with several other little things that came up like no injury stated by the service for the discharge or medical discharge paper work anywhere about a spine injury, and the date differences for actual time in service vs the dates on the published DD214 all lend a good bit more foundation than LT had before. Waiting until the POW.org site went public with it was a good idea in my opinion. I'm sure with the new revelations that LT felt more comfortable posting publically about it now vs then when a lot of it was still speculation and suspect but not really quite proven in his mind.

I must admit that I find myself for the first time letting this whole thing hit home with the current changes taking place in our own Military. My son gave me notice that there is a good chance he'll be going back to Iraq for yet another tour and frankly that really is enough to wake you to the reality of claims vs real service. If in fact the allegations against Mick are true then the lies on top of the lies, and the fact that he personally attacked other people for having no experiences in combat accusing Chris Osman like he did, and finding out its very likely that Mick himself just made all of his experiences up is disgusting. To make a living off of the deaths of others when real heroes did what he claimed to do and never came home to their families is about as low as one can get.

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Sour Grapes. Lynn Thompson is pissed he doesn't have the cultlike appeal of Strider. Who cares about prison? Anyone who sells products by insulting peers deserves to be boycotted. I buy Strider but never CS and I am sure a lot of people feel the same way. Cold Steel never has and never will be appreciated by the educated knife buying public and Thompson cannot handle this failure.
 
Anyone who sells products by insulting peers deserves to be boycotted.
By this logic, you shouldn't be supporting either company; are you sure you meant to say that? Because it looks like you are saying that the actions of one person should be rewarded, but the same actions done by another should be punished.
 
Believe what you want, but, like I have sait before, LT is the uberknifeknut and a big supporter of the military. His commitment to the industry, and to the military was his primary motivation behind his actions.

Your arguement would carry more weight if he wasn't using it as one of his primary marketing blurbs for the new line of "Fighter" knives:

".....Please don’t throw away hundreds and hundreds of dollars on similar knives sold by convicted felons and rip off artists posing as elite “military operators”. Get the real G.I. Tanto from Cold Steel and get more than your money’s worth."

Sounds more like marketing to me.......
 
".....Please don’t throw away hundreds and hundreds of dollars on similar knives sold by convicted felons and rip off artists posing as elite “military operators”. Get the real G.I. Tanto from Cold Steel and get more than your money’s worth."
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This is EXACTLY what I mean about him casting aspersions without having the balls to really state who he was flaming. Cause he's just smart enough to know where to draw the line... either that or his lawyers are. Instead, he lets someone ELSE do the work and leave themselves open to exposure, and then he cashes in on "their" exposure to make his grand stand. Anyone who thinks LT gives a crap about the overall health of this "industry" would be best served by looking at his past actions of pillaging it at every turn, badmouthing any and all potential competition, and attempting to polarize as many folks as possible regarding other makers (which would have been far more successful if he had ANY respect within the knife-maker community).

He makes it pretty clear in his "manifesto" what he's angry about anyway... he's angry someone else got marketing exposure that he didn't get. Read between the lines. LT is forever bitching about anyone else on the playground that got any time, attention and money that he didn't get. It's in the post he put on his website and it's in private emails he's sent others.

Esav called it dead on the money. He's cashing in on someone elses work and potential exposure. Otherwise he would have "made his stand" on this a long time ago instead of sneaking around with his stupid innuendo on the matter for the last several years (read his riposte from Blade show several years back). He hasn't "kept his peace" on anything. He just didn't have the huevos to post anything up as pointedly as some others due to possible legal backlash.

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