Comparison: The Umnumzaan vs. The SnG vs. The XM-18

Ankerson said:
Most of that can be controlled by RHK setting the MSRP that the knives would have to be sold for or they wouldn't get anymore to sell (Cut Off). ;)
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Great point.

There are other companies that do this, both of them in the topic heading of this very thread.... Strider and CRK so it's not exactly a new idea and neither one has a problem moving knives.

So RHK has the power to control more of what has been going on if they choose to do so.
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One would certainly assume so, yes. Again, it's Rick's ball and bat - he can play the game any way he wishes. But as much as Hinderer & company seem to loathe and abhor the idea of being compared to other companies and their products, I think it's naive to think customers won't look "left and right" and see that other knife makers do things differently.
 
Back to the topic.

I went to a store yesterday and handled both the new SMF and SNG.

I couldn't find an imperfection in either one of them; perfect centering,
authoritative 20% lock-up, buttery smooth action, excellent F&F.

IMO they are at the same level of quality and F&F as my XM-18 and XM-24,
making them and excellent value for a non-LE consumer.

I purchased one of each.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Back to the topic.

I went to a store yesterday and handled both the new SMF and SNG.

I couldn't find an imperfection in either one of them; perfect centering,
authoritative 20% lock-up, buttery smooth action, excellent F&F.

IMO they are at the same level of quality and F&F as my XM-18 and XM-24,
making them and excellent value for a non-LE consumer.

I purchased one of each.
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Congrats! But you were luckier than I.

I just tried TWO brand-new SNGs. The f&f was good but not as good as that on my SJ-75 Baby Huey.

Opening was fairly smooth but disengagement was not -- each was hard to close and after a while I was losing skin.

Very disappointing.
 
I just bought an SNG with the new not improved lockup, I've got to package it up, go to the post office, pay for shipping, put a check for $15 inside the box for return shipping, all without ever using the knife because it has lock rock. Ive never had to pay an extra $20 to get a new knife to work right had I bought another CRK or Hinderer. I guess some people are lucky with Striders some not so.
 
What's this about a production model? I thought the ZT0560/1 was that model. It flips better than my XM-18 and slices better than my XM-18 while looking like an XM-18. What more could you possibly want:thumbup:?
 
1) Zann
2) New SNG (with new lock)
3) XM18

I say this because my XM18 Gen3 had a terrible detent and also rub on the liner. Nice knife but some issues when it would open in my pocket and cut the side. Why can a maker not get this right??
 
Rhind64 said:
But i do sell direct to customers :)...Military, LE, and Fire/ems..all other sales go through my network of dealers like most companies do...thanks

Rick Hinderer
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EXACTLY why I would not buy another Hinderer. My son is a Marine and still would go somewhere else. Period.
 
Wow, very interesting thread. I highly recommend the read to all knife enthusiasts.

I feel that John and other members made a lot of solid points of criticism, and that Rick let his emotions get the best of him, in response.
 
J85909266 said:
Wow, very interesting thread. I highly recommend the read to all knife enthusiasts.

I feel that John and other members made a lot of solid points of criticism, and that Rick let his emotions get the best of him, in response.
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Thanks Joe - Hopefully we'll see a response from Rick and company that acknowledges this situation could have been handled much, much differently on their end.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Back to the topic.

I went to a store yesterday and handled both the new SMF and SNG.

I couldn't find an imperfection in either one of them; perfect centering,
authoritative 20% lock-up, buttery smooth action, excellent F&F.

IMO they are at the same level of quality and F&F as my XM-18 and XM-24,
making them and excellent value for a non-LE consumer.

I purchased one of each.
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Wow, what store you have near you that sells this level of knives?
 
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