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CRK Sebenza Problem
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slimshaneee
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This sounds like you might possibly have knife gremlins in your area!
Seeing how all you did was cut cardboard, wood, and rope LOL
Little bastards must be kicking the crap out of your knife after you go to bed. Lock it up at night dude!
Seeing how all you did was cut cardboard, wood, and rope LOL
Little bastards must be kicking the crap out of your knife after you go to bed. Lock it up at night dude!
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LOL. Someone read Bill Clintons biography.
"I did not have sex with her."
"I did not have sex with her."
Esav Benyamin
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Let me make a comment about "flicking". I doubt everyone using the term means the same thing by it. I have owned five Sebenzas and never had a problem with flicking because the only flicking I did was with my thumb to the thumblug. This snaps the blade open, but the tight tolerances tend to damp the opening speed and the blade will just barely lock in place.
The childish version would be to open the blade slightly and then with a hard centrifugal motion slam the blade open into the stop pin.
That's the kind of Flicking that Mr. Reeve has said will have a longterm deleterious effect on the tang and pin. Why would you expect unnecessarily hard metal on metal contact to be considered anything but abuse?
If you do it once or twice, open the blade and wrist flick it to lock, you aren't damaging the knife noticeably. But continued showing off is not what a working knife should be built to withstand.
The childish version would be to open the blade slightly and then with a hard centrifugal motion slam the blade open into the stop pin.
That's the kind of Flicking that Mr. Reeve has said will have a longterm deleterious effect on the tang and pin. Why would you expect unnecessarily hard metal on metal contact to be considered anything but abuse?
If you do it once or twice, open the blade and wrist flick it to lock, you aren't damaging the knife noticeably. But continued showing off is not what a working knife should be built to withstand.
no, if the stop sleeve/pin were larger, the blade would not lock open. it would stop short when it hit the sleeve.
i can accept that the scratches on the blade are from attempts at sharpening, but i am skeptical of that as well.
but the damage to the bushings, sleeves, and lock indicate much harder use than you say. i cant see how that damage could have occurred in just one week. based on the pictures, i would surmise that when you took it apart, you had some difficulty getting it back together, and forced the parts back in to place.
as for the peening on the lock, someone sure as hell flicked that knife open to cause the damage. and quite frequently and with significant force.
ive been known to flick open my sebenza from time to time, and ive never seen that type of damage on any of the 6 or so sebenzas i have owned.
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When I used to work for a chain store, the people who worked in the camera department would pull out new cameras, use off-the-rack batteries and use the cameras over the weekend. Then they'd repack them and sell them as new. They could open sealed packages and reseal them (except the ones with factory seals). But they would repackage the things, put wrap around them and use a blow drier to constrict the packaging to where people would think it was sealed. Very bad practice, but there's always the chance some clown at Knife Center decided to show the thing off and damage the knife.
Chris Reeves probably knows what to look for when he disassembles a knife, but it's never good policy to call the customer a liar, even if one is 98 percent sure he or she is. We were told NEVER to do it, and we ate a lot of products because of this policy.
What Chris Reeves told you or not is hearsay, so we don't know what was said, or how, but if you're being straight, there's a good chance that the knife was damaged by someone, and if it wasn't you, it's most likely someone higher on the food chain. Reeves also should know that, though. (I knew a guy who's surgeon called him a liar when he said he didn't smoke. My friend really DIDN'T smoke, but every now and again you get someone who just won't back down and who thinks they know everything.)
I've never understood why anyone would spend that much for a knife, but hey, we live in a world where the consumer rules. When they sent back the knife the first time, they should have stuck a note in. It really sounds like a bad business practice, if what you say, in fact, happened.
Chris Reeves probably knows what to look for when he disassembles a knife, but it's never good policy to call the customer a liar, even if one is 98 percent sure he or she is. We were told NEVER to do it, and we ate a lot of products because of this policy.
What Chris Reeves told you or not is hearsay, so we don't know what was said, or how, but if you're being straight, there's a good chance that the knife was damaged by someone, and if it wasn't you, it's most likely someone higher on the food chain. Reeves also should know that, though. (I knew a guy who's surgeon called him a liar when he said he didn't smoke. My friend really DIDN'T smoke, but every now and again you get someone who just won't back down and who thinks they know everything.)
I've never understood why anyone would spend that much for a knife, but hey, we live in a world where the consumer rules. When they sent back the knife the first time, they should have stuck a note in. It really sounds like a bad business practice, if what you say, in fact, happened.
the blade being hollow ground has nothing to do with the edge chipping.
sorry dude, this makes no sense.
you are lying, perhaps by ommission, but lying nonetheless.
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I am not lying, i have disassembled it and did have some trouble putting it back, however i have never abused it.
I'm talking about stop sleeve/pin just bigger enough to fix the problem without preventing opening. I know that CR is famous for his tight tolerances. I just don't know how cost effective that is etc.
I think I have read somewhere that Strider put in a bigger stop pin to fix the blade play.
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My curiosity is ruffled too. What where you really doing with that knife? Titanium wont ding itself you know!
But even still, he must flicking the blade open REALLY hard! ZT's and their assisted opening is quite strong, and it doenst hurt the knife. Ive flicked my Delica 4 many times w/ absolutely no bad effect as well.
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Lying? Maybe misjudging just how hard he's pushing it.
There are ways of cutting wood. I've used my Sebenzas in the woods, slashing off small branches overhanging the trail. I myself consider this borderline abuse. I've had cheaper framelocks where this would drive the lock way over and make it hard to close. NO noticeable damage to the Sebenzas. (Keeping them sharp lessens the strain, too.)
There are ways of cutting wood. I've used my Sebenzas in the woods, slashing off small branches overhanging the trail. I myself consider this borderline abuse. I've had cheaper framelocks where this would drive the lock way over and make it hard to close. NO noticeable damage to the Sebenzas. (Keeping them sharp lessens the strain, too.)
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Gentlemen, this is a knife discussion subforum. Let's keep it polite. Some of the interpersonal remarks are a bit antagonistic.
I don't know about you guys but I use my Sebenza for everything, I don't abuse it. That's like being surprised the tires on your new Camaro only lasted 3K miles when you burn out at every light. What do you expect? If you beat on something it's going to wear out faster. If that's how you want to use it then go ahead but don't expect someone else to pay for it.
how could cutting rope, wood, and cardboard result in damaged bushings?
did he stick a screwdriver in between the blade and scale?
he likes knives shaving sharp, but clearly isn't very skilled at sharpening.
he did something he is not telling us, all the pieces of the puzzle don't fit.
did he stick a screwdriver in between the blade and scale?
he likes knives shaving sharp, but clearly isn't very skilled at sharpening.
he did something he is not telling us, all the pieces of the puzzle don't fit.
Unless of course it is the company CEO that is making the decision based on years of experience to recognize what he is seeing. Making the point to the mall ninja world that if the Sebenza has a flaw it is that it doesn't like to be wrist flicked all day long...so either don't do it or don't buy it.
Obviously, and no doubt to the OP's surprise, the issue has been documented and photographed. Love to read the CSR file notes from each and every contact with the OP since they are probably classics. CRK did not take the complaint lightly and the owner made the decision to make a stand.
Advice for the OP...invest to have a repaired knife and obey the first rule of holes.
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