CRK Sebenza Problem

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Those are washers. The bushing is the barrel the pivot pin goes through, that keeps the handle slabs a set distance apart.
 
Whew! I just saw the photos, and I have to admit the knife looks abused.

The Sebenza is an expensive knife. I don't even let my Cold Steel knives get that beat up, and if I had a Sebenza, you could be sure it would look like it just came outta the box. This is why we have el cheapo knives, my friend. You just don't use a quality knife for sculpting granite.

In your original post, you gave the impression that you had sent a fairly pristine knife back to the man. My advice is, if you can have it fixed for $150, do so and leave it for more refined cutting tasks. There are many knives made by Smith & Wesson you can use for the more wretched jobs, but none of my Smith & Wesson knives look as bad as that Sebenza, and I've used them hard. I even use my other knives, but none look anywhere near as bad.

You can scrape the finish off a knife, but your Sebenza blade looks like you tried to sharpen it with a grinder. Hopefully, you'll learn how to take care of fine tools by this experience. If you treat any tool with respect, you'll treat the better ones with even more respect.
 
Ankerson said:
I am still waiting on the damaged locking bar. LOL :D

He could have damaged the bushings putting it back together.
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yes, very possible. see my first post on the previous page.

he's being very vague about what has been done with this knife, and has gone from "i carried it for a week", to "maybe i abused it", to "i cut some stuff in the garage".

his intent may not be to mislead, necessarily, but he has not been forthcoming with the truth either.

maybe im skeptical because of what i do and who i interview on an almost daily basis. if he didnt cause this damage and can prove it, i will be the first to apologize. but people who are continually adding to their story only at the repeated asking of the same question, are pretty clearly attempting to conceal information. typically it is because they are embarassed of something they have done and think the information unimportant.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
no, if the stop sleeve/pin were larger, the blade would not lock open. it would stop short when it hit the sleeve.

i can accept that the scratches on the blade are from attempts at sharpening, but i am skeptical of that as well.

but the damage to the bushings, sleeves, and lock indicate much harder use than you say. i cant see how that damage could have occurred in just one week. based on the pictures, i would surmise that when you took it apart, you had some difficulty getting it back together, and forced the parts back in to place.

as for the peening on the lock, someone sure as hell flicked that knife open to cause the damage. and quite frequently and with significant force.

ive been known to flick open my sebenza from time to time, and ive never seen that type of damage on any of the 6 or so sebenzas i have owned.
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I totally agree with my friend here.
 
This is almost comical to me at this point because of the fact that this knife I almost baby, you should see my other knives and tools. I have been thinking about the stop-bar though and that has been confusing me. The only that comes to mind is that when i used to hold the sebbie tight in my hand the lock-bar would move in the downward direction slightly, scraping against the base of the blade, which i thought was slightly surprising to me and I even email CRK about it and they never said anything of it.

On a different note, tomorrow i am going to call up CR, apologize, and get the new handle.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
yes, very possible. see my first post on this page.

he's being very vague about what has been done with this knife, and has gone from "i carried it for a week", to "maybe i abused it", to "i cut some stuff in the garage".

his intent may not be to mislead, necessarily, but he has not been forthcoming with the truth either.

maybe im skeptical because of what i do and who i interview on an almost daily basis. if he didnt cause this damage and can prove it, i will be the first to apologize. but people who are continually adding to their story only at the repeated asking of the same question, are pretty clearly attempting to conceal information. typically it is because they are embarassed of something they have done and think the information unimportant.
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My problem is that I know that Sebenzas are great knives and seem to be pretty tough so for one to turn out like that...... Well something happened to it pretty major IMO.

I am a Strider guy myself, but I have nothing but respect CRK and the Sebenza. I am just trying to understand what caused it. :)
 
benjaminw11 said:
This is almost comical to me at this point because of the fact that this knife I almost baby, you should see my other knives and tools. I have been thinking about the stop-bar though and that has been confusing me. The only that comes to mind is that when i used to hold the sebbie tight in my hand the lock-bar would move in the downward direction slightly, scraping against the base of the blade, which i thought was slightly surprising to me and I even email CRK about it and they never said anything of it.

On a different note, tomorrow i am going to call up CR, apologize, and get the new handle.
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I would absolutely love to.

Do you have a camera?
 
MORIMOTOM said:
yes, very possible. see my first post on the previous page.

he's being very vague about what has been done with this knife, and has gone from "i carried it for a week", to "maybe i abused it", to "i cut some stuff in the garage".

his intent may not be to mislead, necessarily, but he has not been forthcoming with the truth either.

maybe im skeptical because of what i do and who i interview on an almost daily basis. if he didnt cause this damage and can prove it, i will be the first to apologize. but people who are continually adding to their story only at the repeated asking of the same question, are pretty clearly attempting to conceal information. typically it is because they are embarassed of something they have done and think the information unimportant.
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I am very suspicious of people who keep changing or adding to their story. He certainly has NOT been forthcoming with the truth. And I do not trust people who keep changing their story. :thumbdn::thumbdn:
 
benjaminw11 said:
This is almost comical to me at this point because of the fact that this knife I almost baby, you should see my other knives and tools. I have been thinking about the stop-bar though and that has been confusing me. The only that comes to mind is that when i used to hold the sebbie tight in my hand the lock-bar would move in the downward direction slightly, scraping against the base of the blade, which i thought was slightly surprising to me and I even email CRK about it and they never said anything of it.

On a different note, tomorrow i am going to call up CR, apologize, and get the new handle.
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with enough force, the lock on any knife can be forced further than it engages on its own.
 
T.K.C. said:
I am very suspicious of people who keep changing or adding to their story. He certainly has NOT been forthcoming with the truth. And I do not trust people who keep changing their story. :thumbdn::thumbdn:
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+1

I was already suspicious from post 1, it just didn't sound like CRK...


Kind regards,

Jos
 
MORIMOTOM said:
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as for the peening on the lock, someone sure as hell flicked that knife open to cause the damage. and quite frequently and with significant force.

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I thought the lock face looked more like the knife had been exposed to excessive closing forces, e.g. hard "spine wacks", rocking a cut, etc.
 
Honestly, this is really silly. The only reason Chris Reeve's can sell his knives for the price he does is the perception of them being higher quality, better fit and finish, and his having good customer service. "CR really stands by his knives, etc."

EVEN IF the guy abused the blade, it is cheaper to just fix it and eat the loss rather than have a dissatisifed customer air his dissatisfaction on a public forum. Now a lot of people will think twice about buying a Sebenza. This is just economics.This is a classic example of save $150 to lose $1000. I'm sure Chris Reeves will be fine, etc and produces a wonderful product, etc. but this sort of response makes no sense in the market he is dealing in.
 
Send it back to Knifecenter if that's who you actually purchased it from and demand a refund for a faulty product. I would never settle for any CRK product that is less than 100% perfect new. You are paying for their standards and it's worth the money. If the truth is missing from this story and someone did abuse the knife beyond CRK's warranty then that someone should have to pay for the repair.

The lock bar should not be past 50% the distance to the other side, according to what I saw on disc 2 of the CRK DVD. If it is, it should be fixed. There should be no blade play whatsoever, the action should be smooth and even, and the blade should be perfectly centered when closed. I wouldn't stand for any Sebenza that doesn't meet those requirements.

deermaster said:
so you spend 400+$ on a knife only to have to sand the bushing down to make it work? i was thinking about a sebenza, but i think ill stick with my kershaw skyline. its 30$ and the bushings fit...:thumbup:
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I pity you if this thread is your conclusive judgement on CRK. If your $30 Kershaw is good enough for you, you're not ready for a Sebenza, nor do you deserve to own one.
 
Ankerson said:
My problem is that I know that Sebenzas are great knives and seem to be pretty tough so for one to turn out like that...... Well something happened to it pretty major IMO.

I am a Strider guy myself, but I have nothing but respect CRK and the Sebenza. I am just trying to understand what caused it. :)
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Yeah, it's pretty major. The "flaw" with a Sebenza is that it will not take constant pounding in the same spot from thousands of hard wrist flicks. That is why wrist flicking is excluded from the warranty.

Ankerson...you only care what caused it in the hopes you can extend another 25 pages of ranting on CRK products.
 
richarjs said:
Honestly, this is really silly. The only reason Chris Reeve's can sell his knives for the price he does is the perception of them being higher quality, better fit and finish, and his having good customer service. "CR really stands by his knives, etc."

EVEN IF the guy abused the blade, it is cheaper to just fix it and eat the loss rather than have a dissatisifed customer air his dissatisfaction on a public forum. Now a lot of people will think twice about buying a Sebenza. This is just economics.This is a classic example of save $150 to lose $1000. I'm sure Chris Reeves will be fine, etc and produces a wonderful product, etc. but this sort of response makes no sense in the market he is dealing in.
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i think he did more for his company by posting here and showing the pictures than if he had simply replaced or repaired what he believed to be abusive damage.

the crk warranty is not unconditional, and has never been advertised as such.

warranties rarely cover negligence or abuse. if you put diesel in your gasoline tank, will it be unconditionally covered by the warranty?
 
benjaminw11 said:
I too, am shocked at the pics on the inside, I haven't taken apart the knife recently and cannot believe it looks like that on the inside.
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benjaminw11 said:
I am not lying, i have disassembled it and did have some trouble putting it back, however i have never abused it.
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Setting aside the other facts that seem to be coming out piece by piece, how many times have did you take the knife apart? Have you taken apart any knife before?
 
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