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Enforced ZT MAP, will you give Benchmade a second look?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by EDCanAdamas, Sep 20, 2014.

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  1. EDCanAdamas

    EDCanAdamas

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    Sep 8, 2013
    So when Spyderco jumps on the RPM bandwagon who are you/we going to purchase knives from? Thats the whole point of this thread, in that we were all mad at Benchmade for doing what they did while at the same time praising KAI/ZT. Granted, BM has done little to their product lines to excite consumers (I would like to see something without an AXIS lock) whereas ZT still has some knives that are probably still undervalued at their current MAP (550, 801).
     
  2. EDCanAdamas

    EDCanAdamas

    520
    Sep 8, 2013
    Sadly, these models will likely suffer the most from higher effective prices online. Throw the 0300 into that group too. I am willing to speculate that certain Benchmade designs sales took a hit last year (551,556,707,710) for the same reason.
     
  3. Tripton

    Tripton Gold Member Gold Member

    May 26, 2008
    Yep, nothing out there with reputations for reliability better than Jaguar or Land Rover. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Accelerator

    Accelerator Gold Member Gold Member

    819
    Oct 16, 2010
    ^^^This is funny, but very true as well!

    Edited to add...Indeed, they are famous for having very poor reliability. Just wanted to avoid any confusion.
     
  5. fzla226

    fzla226

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    Jun 2, 2013
    Well from what I've read jaguar has gone a long way to improve reliability with their cars in recent years. Land rover still hovers around the bottom.
     
  6. whp

    whp

    Apr 26, 2009
    I trust Spyderco to do the right thing.
     
  7. Stays Sharp

    Stays Sharp

    Nov 21, 2013
    BM and ZT has had MAP pricing for as long as I remember, they just havent enforced it in this way until recently. Will Spyderco jump into the bandwagon like BM and ZT fans claim? I dont know, they dont even have MAP in place and I honestly doubt they change that anytime soon. It's a much much smaller company than ZT and even BM, they'll feel the backlash harder.
     
  8. bld522

    bld522

    Feb 3, 2004
    . . . assuming, of course, that people who wouldn't buy Benchmades at B&M stores because they were too expensive will suddenly do so now that Internet pricing has risen to the same level of unacceptability.

    Benchmade and others can build as strong a price policy foundation as they like. But if they set it down on quicksand, it will sink anyway.
     
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  9. Lee48

    Lee48

    Apr 29, 2005
    I shop for knives by comparing prices. If I can't afford it, I don't need it no matter how much I might want it. I'm retired and I don't have an unlimited supply of disposable income so prices matter to me more than to many on this forum.

    But, to the original question. My answer is no. There are only a few ZT models that I don't already have that I would like to have but there are zero current Benchmade models that interest me that I don't already have.
     
  10. bld522

    bld522

    Feb 3, 2004
    I'm in the same boat you are with respect to Benchmade. I already have all the models I'm interested in. And ZT makes it real easy for me to say no because they don't tend to make knives that suit my needs. ZT's and Benchmade's pricing policies are just one more nail in their coffins as far as I'm concerned.
     
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  11. Hawk45

    Hawk45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 28, 2005
    This ^^^^
     
  12. bld522

    bld522

    Feb 3, 2004
    Except I, for one, always do an opportunity cost calculation in my head before I lay down my dollars. The question is whether there's another knife out there that's better for the money in my personal estimation than the one I'm considering buying. If there is, I slow down long enough to do my homework before I part with my hard-earned cash. YMMV.
     
  13. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Yes, actually that is all this is about. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. You are free to buy what ever you like just as Benchmade, ZT, or whom ever is free to charge whatever they like and sell only to dealers who will follow their pricing guide. Pretty damn simple really.
     
  14. bld522

    bld522

    Feb 3, 2004
    True. And pretty damn deadly for manufacturers who price their goods higher than people are willing to pay for them. Have Benchmade and ZT done that? Time will tell. But from the perspective of my wallet, they have.

    I didn't say living with an opportunity cost calculator in my head was easy. But it's led me to the right decision more often than not.
     
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  15. crom

    crom

    Mar 29, 2007
    Maybe it's a good thing, maybe the rabid fans will branch out and look at other stuff. One can always shop here, god knows the folders for sale section has a daily plethora of ZT's for sale at below MAP. Not like that will ever change.
     
  16. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    My goodness it really is that simple! If only more people could have an opportunity cost calculator in their head. Heck, I'd just be happy if they had a little common sense!
     
  17. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    True, the exchange is a great place to shop. I haven't purchased a knife new from a dealer in quite some time that I can recall. That said, the end user prices (I just made up a new dumb term for pricing! EUPs!) will eventually trickle down to the used market. I know I have sold BMs for more than I would have been able to pre the EUP hike (there's that term again, let's hope it catches on!)
     
  18. bld522

    bld522

    Feb 3, 2004
    It's actually pretty simple in practice. The first thing folks have to do is learn how to count to 10. :)
     
  19. Scurvy092

    Scurvy092

    Jan 31, 2012
    Clearly you didn't read the rest of the post...
     
  20. JarrodS

    JarrodS

    318
    Jul 28, 2014
    That's collusion.

    This thought experiment points to the flaw in the "if you don't like price fixing, then don't buy it" logic: What if we were talking about groceries? What am I willing to pay for food, to feed my family? Is collusion OK in that case, just because people would be willing to pay up to and including everything they make to feed themselves? No of course not.

    The free market system works, and must be allowed to work. Collusion/MAP/ERP interfere with the market system by limiting opportunities for competition. I am strongly opposed to it and cannot believe the cavalier attitude some display here about it. The market should find the price, period. If you don't think that, then I question your commitment to capitalism and the concept of equal opportunity. It's as simple as that.
     
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