Fake Knife Philosophy In China

[Zero_Time]

there is a 菜刀 maker in SiChuan China , he is one of my friends , and he did cool job on making 菜刀.

Dingy, what is the advantage to a larger cleaver for kitchen work?

Mine is much smaller:

Zero

 

[bld522]

Did we need an explanation as to why any counterfeiting happens? People make fakes to make easy money. You don't need an insider to know that.

Well if you don't mind me asking an insider, what do you think, dingy? Is the reason people in China make counterfeit knives primarily to make easy money or is something more basic involved like, for example, just being able to feed themselves and their families?

 

[marcinek]

[There will always be a number of consumers across the globe that will support counterfeiting as long as it saves them a couple of bucks.]

And this is exactly the root of the problem !

Don't blame it on the Chinese, the Pakistani or whomever ! The demand is there and it drives the production...

Precisely. I don't blame China for making a product people buy. That's getting bent outta shape because they are capitalist. That said, I am not going to support those products or the people that make them.

The Chinese knife industry is clearly capable of making whatever the rest of the world will buy from them. Cheap counterfeits? Sure? Well built mid techs? Why not? They can do it all.

But they make stuff that makes the money. Just like we do.

 

[Ankerson]

If that makes you feel better, great. It still aint right.

The thing is that the whole subject is well above anyone's here paygrade.

As far as I know there aren't any International Lawyers here and or high level Government officials that deal with International trade issues.

So what is left is opinions at best.

 

[dingy]

Fear not, dingy. Those of us who aren't Sinophobes appreciate what you've done here. Your words have the ring of truth to them. I suspect it took a lot of courage to say what you said. And I, for one, am grateful.

thank you for your kindness.

 

[marcinek]

Well if you don't mind me asking an insider, what do you think, dingy? Is the reason people in China make counterfeit knives primarily to make easy money or is something more basic involved like just being able to feed themselves and their families, for instance?

Yes. The owners of the companies and factories that make counterfeits do it to feed their starving children. That's utter nonsense.

They do it to make easy money. The people who work in factories, who need money to make ends meet and feed their kids, they are just doing a job. Just like anywhere else in the world.

If it makes you feel better about supporting counterfeiters to think that the ones making the real money from the process are doing it just to get by, go ahead. I suppose the same is true for drug kingpins.

 

[hellvenger]

i own a centofante 3 , manix 2 , kershaw cryo, spyderco butterfly, buck vantage avid, kershaw JYD and so on .... and you know which one is my favorite ...

3 years of carrying (at work for opening packages and cutting strips + at home) no blade play and still perfectly centered, pleasant scales, fits well, strong lock ... sorry guys ...

 

[bld522]

thank you for your kindness.

Thank you for your honesty.

 

[marcinek]

The thing is that the whole subject is well above anyone's here paygrade.

As far as I know there aren't any International Lawyers here and or high level Government officials that deal with International trade issues.

So what is left is opinions at best.

And what discussed here isn't? Seen many threads that end after a definitive reply to the OP?

And I don't have to be a high government level official to know what I support and what I dont.

 

[dingy]

Dingy, what is the advantage to a larger cleaver for kitchen work?

Mine is much smaller:
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Zero

it is not a cleaver , just traditional Chinese kitchen knife cleaver is alot of way thicker and heaier than 菜刀.

as for advantage , i think it is highly involved in how you use it .

you may try search 刀工 in youtube , there are lots of coool guys use their 菜刀 in very efficient ways .

 

[Ankerson]

And what discussed here isn't? Seen many threads that end after a definitive reply to the OP?

And I don't have to be a high government level official to know what I support and what I dont.

The bottom line here is that our opinions don't matter and never really will.

Those discussions, the ones that have real merit happen at the high level in International courts and or at very high level Government level.

So in the end what we here support or don't and or even think really doesn't matter at all.

In the end the things that really matter are what THEY say matters or is legal or not legal by International law and or the International Trade agreements.

Right or wrong on a moral scale just doesn't factor into it.

Think of it like the bar stool quarterback etc, what they think is irrelevant in anyway you spin it.

 

[Zero_Time]

If that makes you feel better, great. It still aint right.

It DOES make me feel better to use more precise words. I get physical pain when someone uses "literally" where they say "my mouth was literally on fire from those tacos", and they aren't referring to rapid oxidation and extensive mouth injuries.

In terms of moral right/wrong, stealing/ip infringement vs. inspiring new designs? No.

Zero

 

[dingy]

Well if you don't mind me asking an insider, what do you think, dingy? Is the reason people in China make counterfeit knives primarily to make easy money or is something more basic involved like, for example, just being able to feed themselves and their families?

make easy money and feed themselves and their familie , i think that the reason they make counterfeit.

But you have to know that not all the maker and manufactrurers did this kind of low life job.

 

[Zero_Time]

it is not a cleaver , just traditional Chinese kitchen knife cleaver is alot of way thicker and heaier than 菜刀.

as for advantage , i think it is highly involved in how you use it .

you may try search 刀工 in youtube , there are lots of coool guys use their 菜刀 in very efficient ways .

Thank you! I picked one up on a recommendation of a friend, he called it a "chinese cleaver" to distinguish it from: View attachment 594126 View attachment 594127

It works AMAZINGLY well. I use other knives for meat/bones, but for vegetables it's like a LASER.

Zero

 

[Zero_Time]

i own a centofante 3 , manix 2 , kershaw cryo, spyderco butterfly, buck vantage avid, kershaw JYD and so on .... and you know which one is my favorite ...

3 years of carrying (at work for opening packages and cutting strips + at home) no blade play and still perfectly centered, pleasant scales, fits well, strong lock ... sorry guys ...

why do you prefer it to the manix?

Zero

 

[craytab]

i did broght few Ganzo Knives , is it Guilty?

Yes. Sorry if you don't get why.

is Axis-Lock get patented?

Yes. They tiniest amount of research would show you this.

if Axis-Lock patented in your U.S. , Is it legal validity in China ?

Don't know about the laws in your country, but some knife companies in your country are making counterfeit items and shipping them to our country. This one in particular is Ganzo. This company hurts our hobby and our community. You support this company. Sorry if you can't see the problem with that.

the first car has 4 wheels , do you really think all U.S. automoble company steal the Germany design ?

Terrible analogy. We've seen them all. Usually used by people trying to justify and legitimize counterfeiting, patent infringement, and design theft. That is what you are doing here.

You want to tell us about the knife philosophy in China? Well, it doesn't look good to me. Hopefully the rest of your countrymen don't think the same way you do but unfortunately we know some of them do.

 

[bld522]

But you have to know that not all the maker and manufacturers did this kind of low life job.

Sure. You made it clear that Chinese manufacturers that are trying to establish their own brands here don't do that. That's why I'm willing to continue supporting them and buying from them, particularly the ones that collaborate with US knife designers and sell through US dealers. Those were exactly the kinds of partnerships I was hoping to see develop.

 

[Aias]

Everyone knows that the right side is reserved for your Battle Mistress.

That's awesome... the hammer side and the Busse side. I got my Carhartts on right now...

 

[zippin44]

i own a centofante 3 , manix 2 , kershaw cryo, spyderco butterfly, buck vantage avid, kershaw JYD and so on .... and you know which one is my favorite ...

3 years of carrying (at work for opening packages and cutting strips + at home) no blade play and still perfectly centered, pleasant scales, fits well, strong lock ... sorry guys ...

That looks to me like a rip off copy of the Benchmade HK knife! I carried the big one and the smaller one (Benchmade) for a couple years. One of the best knives ever. Action like a vault. Got tired of the same 'ol thing and switched to a 730 Aries for the last 3 years. Anyway, looks like a copy to me. Don't want anything to do with that. Sickening actually. I am really trying my best to bite my tongue with this thread dancing around the obvious. Between this and the constant blatant hackings of IP, really infuriating.

 

[bush-haus]

That looks to me like a rip off copy of the Benchmade HK knife! I carried the big one and the smaller one (Benchmade) for a couple years. One of the best knives ever. Action like a vault. Got tired of the same 'ol thing and switched to a 730 Aries for the last 3 years. Anyway, looks like a copy to me. Don't want anything to do with that. Sickening actually. I am really trying my best to bite my tongue with this thread dancing around the obvious. Between this and the constant blatant hackings of IP, really infuriating.

But hey, it's got their own name on it so it's OK right?