Fake Knife Philosophy In China

[bld522]

Well I'd say that answers that. Doesn't make counterfeiting right, but it does explain why and how it happens from somebody on the inside.

Thanks again. :thumbup: :thumbup:

 

[craytab]

Agreed. Just slapping ones name on it does not "fix" things. If Burger King starts selling Big Macs in a Burger King box, its still ripping off McDonalds.

If the train is heading east to Counterfeitville, then I may not be able to stop it, but I'm sure as heck not going to embrace it, and go on about their the quality of their counterfeits and how cool they are for putting their names on ripped off lock designs.

Yup. Just because it is a thing does not need we need to accept it here. It also doesn't mean we need to put up with its promotion here. And it sure as hell means that we can educate people on the subject when they come here. Some people just don't get that.

And when a self proclaimed expert on Chinese knives, someone who claims not to support counterfeiting, says this:

i have been buying few Ganzo knives before , not bad deal for the price .

i do not think they autonomous design all of their knives and multi-tools, but the good thing is that they use their own name.

He is clearly not educated on the subject. Ganzo steels designs. And they do in fact counterfeit the Axis-Lock. They do not use their own name for the Axis-lock. They call it the Axis-lock. They do not use their own design.

Mr. dingy would be well served to research the subject before commenting on it. How are we to take anything else he says as fact? Don't know about the rest of you but I won't. Sorry.

 

[bush-haus]

^^^ Yes!! I would like to believe that the American consumer would care about protecting American ingenuity over protecting their own bottom line, but I don't necessarily believe that to be always the case. There will always be a number of consumers across the globe that will support counterfeiting as long as it saves them a couple of bucks.

 

[bld522]

Fear not, dingy. Those of us who aren't Sinophobes appreciate what you've done here. Your words have the ring of truth to them. I suspect it took a lot of courage to say what you said. And I, for one, am grateful.

 

[bush-haus]

Fear not, dingy. Those of us who aren't Sinophobes appreciate what you've done here. I suspect it took a lot of courage to say what you said. And I, for one, am grateful.

Is there really a need for the name-calling? Some of us tend to be a little bit more skeptical, it doesn't make us racist or haters or whatever else you might think of.

 

[bld522]

Be skeptical if you will. But I'm going to the word of someone on the inside who doesn't appear to have an axe to grind over the word of someone on the outside who does. YMMV.

 

[herisson]

[There will always be a number of consumers across the globe that will support counterfeiting as long as it saves them a couple of bucks.]

And this is exactly the root of the problem !

Don't blame it on the Chinese, the Pakistani or whomever ! The demand is there and it drives the production...

 

[craytab]

Fear not, dingy. Those of us who aren't Sinophobes appreciate what you've done here. Your words have the ring of truth to them. I suspect it took a lot of courage to say what you said. And I, for one, am grateful.

Seriously, if you are going to call people names at least be specific to that person. I have really only seen one anti-chinese comment here that I can recall. It was stupid.

I own knives from China. My favorite is the Kershaw Tremor. Carry and use it all the time. and like everyone here much of the things I use in daily life comes from China. Blind idiotic anti-China sentiment is foolish in today's market.

What I am saying is that many of the counterfeit knives that plague our hobby and this community come from China. And dingy has his facts WRONG on the very subject he claims to be an expert. You want to take that as Sinophobia, well that is just silly.

 

[Zero_Time]

I hate to be a "stuck in the mud" as well but there seems to be a level of justification for the counterfeiting. Putting their own name on a counterfeit equals counterfeiting even if it's just the intellectual property. If I was questioning the abilities and motives of any manufacturer I can guarantee you I would never buy a product from them.

If a company can't be upfront about their practices then shrug them off. Seems simple. I am however very intrigued by the Chinese culture with knives.

No, words have meaning. Counterfeiting is a word used by the Secret Service and doesn't refer to exact reprints of dollars with images of Daffy Duck on them. Using counterfeiting here is ripping off, confusing, and obfuscating the issue- which is EXACTLY what counterfeiting does. If Ganzo, in the example above, doesn't attempt to pass itself off as another brand (and given the spyderco design with benchmade lock), I'd be more willing to call it stolen design, pirated design, bootleg knife, or knockoff knife. I think all of these would be far more accurate.

Zero

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

And this one is for 42Blades : is there an importer in the Western World for the Chan Chi Kee range of kitchen knives ?

If you google "chan chi kee" the second and third results are retailers carrying the brand, with the first of those being a fairly well known one. The second is a company I've personally never heard of but they have a larger selection.

 

[craytab]

No, words have meaning. Counterfeiting is a word used by the Secret Service and doesn't refer to exact reprints of dollars with images of Daffy Duck on them. Using counterfeiting here is ripping off, confusing, and obfuscating the issue- which is EXACTLY what counterfeiting does. If Ganzo, in the example above, doesn't attempt to pass itself off as another brand (and given the spyderco design with benchmade lock), I'd be more willing to call it stolen design, pirated design, bootleg knife, or knockoff knife. I think all of these would be far more accurate.

Zero

They do attempt to pass their lock design off as an axis-lock. They call it an axis-lock and copy it exactly.

 

[Zero_Time]

I'd agree then that it's a counterfeit axis lock. Would you mind pointing me to the literature that calls it an axis thus making it counterfeit?

Zero

 

[craytab]

I'd agree then that it's a counterfeit axis lock. Would you mind pointing me to the literature that calls it an axis thus making it counterfeit?

Zero

I will not be posting a link to the counterfeiters website. It is not hard to find.

 

[dingy]

Dingy, I thank you for the information about the chinese kitchen / vegetable knife(ves). It makes for some interesting internet searches. If I can get one of good quality, it will be fun experimenting with it in the kitchen. At least this is some authentic chinese stuff. The Shinlin knife posted by Oregon is also a good hint. I found some of the chinese kitchen knives available in Germany but they are made by Tokio Kitchenware... doesn't sound that Chinese to me. The steel they use (5Cr15Mov), is another riddle I will have to investigate. As I have no interest at all in the subject of fakes / clones, I will be out and wish you well on BladeForums.

there is a 菜刀 maker in SiChuan China , he is one of my friends , and he did cool job on making 菜刀.

 

[Zero_Time]

I will not be posting a link to the counterfeiters website. It is not hard to find.

Lol. First time I've gone looking for a counterfeiter.

My initial impressions are that they refer to the lock as "axis" on models that I don't recognize as being a counterfeit of Benchmade knives otherwise. For instance, there was a knife that looked like a BM rift that did not even refer to the lock, but the other knives that had different designs did indeed say "axis".

Zero

 

[herisson]

Thanks for that Dingy ! Cool stuff. Seems like these knives are mean slicers ! And thanks 42Blades for the information. You're always a relevant and valuable source of information.

 

[dingy]

Yup. Just because it is a thing does not need we need to accept it here. It also doesn't mean we need to put up with its promotion here. And it sure as hell means that we can educate people on the subject when they come here. Some people just don't get that.

And when a self proclaimed expert on Chinese knives, someone who claims not to support counterfeiting, says this:



He is clearly not educated on the subject. Ganzo steels designs. And they do in fact counterfeit the Axis-Lock. They do not use their own name for the Axis-lock. They call it the Axis-lock. They do not use their own design.

Mr. dingy would be well served to research the subject before commenting on it. How are we to take anything else he says as fact? Don't know about the rest of you but I won't. Sorry.

i did broght few Ganzo Knives , is it Guilty?

is Axis-Lock get patented?
if Axis-Lock patented in your U.S. , Is it legal validity in China ?

Ganzo steels designs , i think you use the word steals ,

the first car has 4 wheels , do you really think all U.S. automoble company steal the Germany design ?

 

[marcinek]

I think discussing counterfeit Big Macs is a much more interesting discussion to be had; BK ripped of Mickey D's with the Big King. I mean, who cares about fake knives when we still don't know what that "Special Sauce" consists of!

I like Culver's.

 

[marcinek]

Well I'd say that answers that. Doesn't make counterfeiting right, but it does explain why and how it happens from somebody on the inside.

Thanks again. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Did we need an explanation as to why any counterfeiting happens? People make fakes to make easy money. You don't need an insider to know that.

 

[marcinek]

No, words have meaning. Counterfeiting is a word used by the Secret Service and doesn't refer to exact reprints of dollars with images of Daffy Duck on them. Using counterfeiting here is ripping off, confusing, and obfuscating the issue- which is EXACTLY what counterfeiting does. If Ganzo, in the example above, doesn't attempt to pass itself off as another brand (and given the spyderco design with benchmade lock), I'd be more willing to call it stolen design, pirated design, bootleg knife, or knockoff knife. I think all of these would be far more accurate.

Zero

If that makes you feel better, great. It still aint right.