GEC...Please Make More Patterns Available To Us in 440C...yea or nea ?

Will, I'd love to see slimmed down Saddle Trapper blades (clip and Wharncliffe) on a barehead #48 frame in 440C.
Any of your bone suggestions plus Dark Chestnut.
 
Right there Jeff! The jigging on the Chestnut is like Horsecut Bone to my eye.

What 440c knife I'd really like is a Norfolk from them, faux Tortoise, Smooth Ivory Bone and why should Ebony be the preserve of carbon GECs??? Know what I'm saying :D

Thanks, Will
 
Let me start by confessing that I usually associate carbon steel with traditional knives :eek:

That said I do not avoid GEC 440C at all. I'm also in for another GEC brand that offers traditional frames filled with premium modern stainless. On the condition that ALL the blades in said knife are of the same premium steel.
 
Let me start by confessing that I usually associate carbon steel with traditional knives :eek:

That said I do not avoid GEC 440C at all. I'm also in for another GEC brand that offers traditional frames filled with premium modern stainless. On the condition that ALL the blades in said knife are of the same premium steel.
That is a GREAT idea...I hope GEC is monitoring this...
 
Gunstock Jack, 85 Jack, Powderhorn Jack, with ebony or nice bone I'd be all over it!
 
Seeing as 440C is one of my favorite knife steels, I would really appreciate some GEC options.
 
I don't mind. I have yet to buy a stainless GEC, but that is probably because the only ones I have wanted have been in 1095. I like the way steel looks when it develops patina, but I like the way it looks when it's shiny too. All in all, I use my knives a lot and as long as its nice and sharp when I want to use it I don't mind.

Paul
 
I vote "Yes", GEC should expand its 440C offerings.

I for one, don't buy 1095 knives, I do have a number of 440C GEC knives, and would buy more if they offered them in stainless. There is a Pemberton, Houndstooth, and Sleeveboard sale that neither GEC nor its Dealers made because those patterns were not offered in 440C. As far as the line of argument that "GEC makes only traditional knives," that just doesn't make sense when you look at a gaudy Tango in some bright acrylic.

GEC is making knives to sell knives, they know that going head-to-head with Case on stainless might be foolish if they want to maintain their 1095 niche. However, I do wish that they'd expand their 440C offerings somewhat. Throw me a Bocote Houndstooth in 440C, or a Birds-Eye Maple Pemberton in 440C puh-lease!
 
I would personally love to see more GECs in stainless steel. "A lot" more probably isn't necessary, but I'd like to see one or two stainless options for every patter and blade configuration they come out with. For example, when I bought my #33 Conductor in buffalo horn, the dealer had it represented as 440C. Stainless steel and the clip/coping blade was the exact combination I wanted. But it wasn't stainless, it was 1095. GEC makes a 440C #33, but it doesn't have the coping blade.

Personally, I like both stainless and carbon steels. I like the simplicity and ease of sharpening of carbon steel. But there are certain times that I'd rather carry something in stainless. Could be a specific day, could be a stretch of time. For example, for the next several weeks here in the desert it's monsoon season. It's not the "dry heat" everybody talks about. It's humid, and every day there's the possibility of a 5-15 minute thunderstorm so powerful that floods the streets. And since I ride a bike everywhere, I can't risk having a carbon steel knife in my pocket because it'll turn into a slab of rust, either from my sweat, or because I get caught in the rain.

That's why, for every pattern that I like, I'd like both a carbon and stainless steel option. I like the 33 Conductor pattern, whether the single spring pattern with a coping blade, or the whittler. I own a whittler in ebony. But I'd like on in stainless as well. I don't own a #92 eureka yet, but it's next on my list. And if one was offered in stainless, I'd buy one of those too, for when I don't want to risk exposing it to moisture.

As for the debate on carbon vs stainless blades in "traditional" knives as a whole, my opinion is that tradition shouldn't be limited by technology, or lack thereof. Older traditional knives were made with carbon steel because stainless steel hadn't been invented yet, or hadn't been perfected yet. I read recently that it wasn't until the 40's or 50's when they figured out cryogenic quenching that stainless steel was worthwhile for knife blades. Since then, for obvious reasons, use of stainless steel in knife blades increased. Who is to say that, if they had the option 150 years ago, stainless steel wouldn't have been preferred for pocket knives that we now call "traditional"? Performance/maintenance/cosmetic arguments aside, the use of carbon steel in traditionals is largely nostalgic rather than practical.

I feel the same with synthetic handle materials. Synthetics are old. Celluloid, "French" ivory, wood composites, etc. And later, Delrin and acrylics. The modern synthetics are G-10 fiberglass, carbon fiber, and micarta. Earlier synthetics have their obvious limitations. Celluloid shrinks, outgasses, and is flammable. Delrin, although tough, isn't indestructible, and scratches and cracks (especially at the spring pin) can occur. "Traditionally", they were used because they were the best available at the time. Going back to what I said about quality stainless steels, who is to say that knife manufacturers from 100 years ago wouldn't have used something like micarta or G-10 for handles if they had that technology at that time?

GEC is my favorite company right now. They make amazing knives, by hand, and keep the price within reach. And it's obvious that they listen to their customers. I love that they make knives the "old way". But I'd like to see them embrace modern technology just a bit more. I don't think that a knife made with indestructible micarta handles and stainless steel goes against the "traditional" philosophy, because I don't think that there's plenty of people from 100 years ago that would have loved such a knife.
 
Right On.....I vote "yea". While I am no expert on steels, I have always had good luck with knives made from 440C.

GEC and other makers should remember that many of us live in tropical, humid environments where knives are exposed to salt water. 440C seems to work well in such an environment. :cool:
 
I've been carrying carbon steel knives for 35 years never had one rust on me, I live in a saltwater environment, and worked in wet conditions inside and outdoors through all the seasons, even in really hot 120 degree extremely humid conditions where my jeans would be soaking wet from sweat, never been a issue. I don't care if GEC offered more SS, I would just hate to see them go in the direction of Case and gear its sales towards the collector. I use knives at work and I can say for me carbon performs better. I've had good luck with Boker 440C, and also 12C27 on my Laguiole, I don't have any fancy SS, I do like the 12C27 it is very close in performance to carbon 1095, I was happy when I discovered GEC, they provide the product I was looking for, would hate to see them change their mission statement. As long as they didn't stop offering the selection they currently offer, people carry & choose to carry knives & steels for different reasons, to each their own. If it helps them to stay in business by picking up a larger customer base, good for them.

Pete
 
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I would like to see GEC offer more knives in 440C, especially the boys knife and eureka jack.
 
GEC is making knives to sell knives, they know that going head-to-head with Case on stainless might be foolish if they want to maintain their 1095 niche. However, I do wish that they'd expand their 440C offerings somewhat. Throw me a Bocote Houndstooth in 440C, or a Birds-Eye Maple Pemberton in 440C puh-lease!

I don't think there are many fans of Case who became fans due to their stainless. I think GEC's 440C couldn't be seen as going head to head with Case, due to quality & price. Good quality knives in excellent SS could bring new fans to traditional knives.

Many companies agonise over expansion decisions. This thread is some evidence that GEC might safely expand to some extent.
 
I'm new to traditional knives, I initially bought a Buck 503 & Buck 55 when I wanted a lock back to carry in my pocket, as opposed to knives with clips on them. I did this because I wanted the strong closed detent compared to a liner lock which can open partially in my pocket. I then found this forum and liked the variety of traditional models, many of which are available with 2.5" blades which I need. I'd like to see more in 440C (or ideally CPM154). Of the commonly used handle materials on the stainless knives, I like elk, figured woods, and acrylic. The only material that I really don't care for is bone in just about any variation. Since part of the appeal of these knives for me is their American heritage, I do like the use of US woods on the knives and prefer that to imported/exotic woods. The material I'd like to see more than any other would be burl walnut. The cherry is nice, but I'd prefer if it was figured cherry.

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I posted a new thread in the Exchange Forum the other day when everybody said they would vote with their wallets. Here's the link:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1085905-GEC-STAINLESS-STEEL-62-HALF-Congress

I've seen those on your web site before, Bob. I personally don't care for elk or wood handles. I do like the 62 pattern but I've got the Maverick #62 in Autumn Leaf Bone coming from Mike Latham. Nothing against your knives, I just like bone better.

But I do appreciate the fact that you have a link to the SS knives on your main menu, as well as a search function. Sure makes shopping easier (hint, hint Mike).

You keep on posting them up there and if you ever get one in stock that appeals to my particular tastes in patterns and handles and I'll sure buy one from you. I want one of those pretty wallets, too!
 
I posted a new thread in the Exchange Forum the other day when everybody said they would vote with their wallets. Here's the link:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1085905-GEC-STAINLESS-STEEL-62-HALF-Congress

OK rma100, I'll bite. I already have a 48 dogleg single blade trapper, and I don't really care for the long spey's on trappers, so have gifted and sold all of my two blade trappers by all makers out of my collection. The Gambler just doesn't do anything for me as a pattern, nor do melon knives. Half congress is tempting but not really my taste as well, plus, but I bet a lot of folks interested in such a pattern may be holding off presently waiting on the 2013 forum knife.

A question if I may ask. As a dealer can you tell us if any past offerings in different patterns have moved quickly. I am curious about the 72 in either a clip or Wharncliffe. If there were some patterns that moved well for you could you share some insight as to possibly why?
 
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