How do you guys feel about China copies?

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Yes, certainly SRM has its copies to thank for their success, but now that people know and like their quality, SRM is making original designs as well. Some of my high end knives have more issues than any of SRMs and I totally don't expect them to be so good. I have a lot of Mora knives too and these folders fit the same bill for me: good, cheap beaters.
 
Indianbladenoob said:
Well yes I guess if the patents have legally expired, he no longer needs to expressly permit anyone. Isn't it people who want a Sebenza and cant afford it who buy the Sanrenmu. If the Sanrenmu had an original design I doubt they would sell 20% of the knives they move today.
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Plenty of people who can afford a Sebenza also own a Sanrenmu.
 
Yeah, I agree with the others. See, those big businesses consist of people who worked hard and have true skills and craftsmanship to come up with these awesome designs. Those knives in China are most likely poorly made anyway, and honestly, when it comes to knives, a person who owns or knows of the original can always tell that the knife you're owning is fake (if you were to purchase the Chinese knife). I'd say use the $40-50 to purchase a real, affordable knife from the companies the others listed like Kershaw, Benchmade, Buck, etc. Or instead, save that money for later and purchase a more expensive knife. Or you can look into other companies and see if you see any designs you like that are for a more affordable price. For instance, I have some really awesome Benchmade knives that have great designs that I've bought both used and new, and the price point isn't too bad, but the folders are amazing. And there are even knife companies with good knives that are cheaper than Benchmade.
 
Dorito Monk said:
It boggles my mind that a bunch of people a thousand miles away are getting their panties in a bunch over other people buying knockoff items. :confused: I do wonder, though, if this excessive moralizing extends only to your pet hobby (ie: knives), or if you cry over knockoff Gucci bags and electronic devices alike. I wonder how many of you folks who are so adamantly telling others what to do, or your families, have a bunch of cheap knockoff items laying around (whether your know it or not)...
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I understand you, but it wouldn't be so boggling maybe if these people happen to own stock, or otherwise are vested in companies who suffer -or claim to suffer- from the knockoff markets [of COURSE nobody ever comes out and admits it though]. Kinda like how 30% of owners of GM vehicles are involved with GM in some way, work for them or whatever, and complain about import cars but never admit their ties to GM.

Call this a vested interest theory, i may be wrong.
 
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Dorito Monk said:
Very good point. Ask your better half / sister / the nearest female if they're willing to buy knockoff designer clothing, or if they've done so in the past. I've never heard a woman whine about knockoff purses being 'morally wrong' or attack people's integrity for even thinking about buying them. Before coming to these forums, I never heard anyone get offended over those junk 'Ronex' or 'Feiko' watches you see being sold on street corners - everyone knows they're junk, but I'd never heard someone crying over Rolex's lost profits. :confused: I'd certainly never been told what a horrible person I was for dropping 10$ on a novelty watch I knew to be junk. :rolleyes:

Never mind the fact that 90% of the general population likely thinks that people who drop 500$ or more on a single knife are out of their fudging minds (as anyone who's ever talked to non-knife people can attest). The average person seems to think that knives top out in quality at Buck and Victorinox, from my experience, so the idea of spending thousands of dollars on a tool that performs the exact same function as their trusty 110 would be just ludicrous to normal people.

In fact, the vast majority of people I know have either knowingly or unknowingly bought fake or knockoff products. Does that make them all horrible people? Just because some anonymous forumites say so? :confused: I can't tell you how many times I've heard something like: "I went to Canadian Tire to pick up a hammer. They had this Estwing brand one and then this other one that looked exactly the same but was ten bucks cheaper, so I bought the cheaper one," or even "The store carried the Apple-brand phone charger, but it cost 50$, so I bought the store-brand one that was exactly the same thing minus the logo for 15$."

It boggles my mind that a bunch of people a thousand miles away are getting their panties in a bunch over other people buying knockoff items. :confused: I do wonder, though, if this excessive moralizing extends only to your pet hobby (ie: knives), or if you cry over knockoff Gucci bags and electronic devices alike. I wonder how many of you folks who are so adamantly telling others what to do, or your families, have a bunch of cheap knockoff items laying around (whether your know it or not)...
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I, for one, despise counterfeit merchandise of any type and know for a fact that none of my family members would be caught dead with knock-off watches, hand bags, shoes, jewelry, etc. in lieu of the genuine article. I will also attest to the fact that the majority of my friends and several of my co-workers share the same attitude.
 
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One other concept to mull over.

If you do not perceive a difference between two knives that have a 10X difference in price, does that mean a difference does not exist, or you simply lack the appreciation for the differences?

If you cannot tell the difference, I will not argue that you ought to pay more for the more expensive one...but perhaps it is unfair to characterize the maker of that item the way some have in this thread? Simply put, it seems that some are justifying theft of intellectual property based on their lack of appreciation for the differences in execution.
 
I am chinese，i feel very bad and very terrible about the copies，and i promise ，never buy any copies of knife。in fact，a lot of people who like knives are boycott the copies and makers。
as my english is poor，that i can't tell you guies why that so many copies and so many makers copy。
here‘s my email，chuangchee@163.com。and if you want to know ，i can try to explain in mails。
 
Well, supposedly the copies are made for the Chinese market, and aren't meant to be sold here. They are meant to give the newly solvent Chinese people a selection of knives that they still would not be able to afford if imported full price from the USA. Of course, no one pays attention to where they go after they leave the factories. Also, this is hearsay that I've read elsewhere. It is nice to hear that not all of the folks over there agree with the situation now.
 
Nixelplix said:
Well, supposedly the copies are made for the Chinese market, and aren't meant to be sold here. They are meant to give the newly solvent Chinese people a selection of knives that they still would not be able to afford if imported full price from the USA. Of course, no one pays attention to where they go after they leave the factories. Also, this is hearsay that I've read elsewhere. It is nice to hear that not all of the folks over there agree with the situation now.
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Yeah one of them anyway. :D
 
A lot of people in this world sincerely believe objects which appear the same are the same. Very often the same people believe anything that benefits them financially is a good thing.

In my experience, its usually a waste of time to try to convince these folks otherwise.
 
Nick D. Fingerz said:
A lot of people in this world sincerely believe objects which appear the same are the same. Very often the same people believe anything that benefits them financially is a good thing.

In my experience, its usually a waste of time to try to convince these folks otherwise.
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No one in this thread is arguing that the fakes are of the same quality as the real. The argument is over whether or not the purchasing of the fakes, copies, replicas, etc. is "ethical". No one is saying that the fake Rolex is of the same quality as a real Rolex; simply whether or not you should feel alright about purchasing the fake Rolex, and whether or not it is legal/intellectual property theft.
 
"Argument?" Who's arguing? I'm not arguing. It's a sleazeball thing to do. Period. If you want to be a sleazeball, I'm not going to argue about it. Life is too short.
 
I still haven't forgiven Blackjack for copying the Randall model 1, if that answers your question. Of course, the fact that Mike Stewart is an [censored] is a big factor there.
 
以前我也买过用过仿品，很多中国的刀友都是从仿品开始，因为无论中国的社会环境也好，人文环境也好，对刀还是有一些管制的，正因为这样，在美国或者欧洲甚至是日本很容易买到的刀，到了中国就很难见到，就算是有卖的会比原价高很多，比如一把spyderco的vg10钢材的enduora，在美国的价格是50美元左右，而到了中国就是600左右人民币，相当于90多美元，这个价格超出了很多刀友的承受范围，于是，就有一些小加工厂为了谋取利润，生产一些仿制品，以低廉的价格或者是比正品价格低很多的价格卖给中国的刀友。另外，你们也知道，想三刃木和naby的折刀，这些刀厂刚开始起步，还缺乏自己的设计风格等等一些意识和技术，所以他们也是以一些像benchmade、spyderco或者是sog等等品牌的经典的型号作为设计参考，但是现在他们也已经意识到这个问题，开始自己设计开发。
现在在中国的一些刀具爱好者的论坛，都已经标明不允许讨论仿制品，因为仿制品对中国的刀具行业和刀具爱好者的伤害要远比对你们的要大很多，因为他们使中国的刀具市场充满了各种的劣质的仿制品，使三刃木等刀厂受到很大的冲击，其次，他们使中国的刀具设计缺少自己的特色，只是一味的仿制别人的作品。
现在在中国，随着跟多的人成为刀具爱好者，刀具市场也在慢慢的正规起来，很多刀友已经不再购买仿制品，而且开始抵制仿制品。
我没法不让那些小作坊生产那些低劣的仿制品，我只能从自己做起，抵制仿制品，购买和使用正品。我相信如果大家都不购买，或者抵制那些低劣的仿制品，也就不会有人再去生产他们。
另外，我是蜘蛛的粉丝。
 
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