How do you guys feel about China copies?

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If you are stuck on a "look-a-like" get a Kershaw Cryo. It is still Chinese, but at least it is done with the permission of Hinderer. If you can swing the $100 range a Spyderco Paramilitary 2 is amazing.
 
I change my mind then! I only have a Seki City Japan Endura 4 with Japan zdp steel. Rest are USA or so they say! Spydie Military from CO. I've got Hinderer & CRK folders, a Randall Junglas and an RC-3MIL (plus a bunch of Izulas), Some INFI from over at the Wauseon drinking & knife making club. A USMC Ka-Bar fighter (Olean NY).

Pretty clean pedigree for me but I thought the big companies used outsourced help and paid either taxes or wages (for work done here).

Don't know who to believe any more about motives and the money trail. :confused: I thought they had to pay the government to import and export stuff around but it seems like they're doing it to make bigger profits right?

That's wha you guys are saying right?
 
frogger42 said:
If you are stuck on a "look-a-like" get a Kershaw Cryo. It is still Chinese, but at least it is done with the permission of Hinderer. If you can swing the $100 range a Spyderco Paramilitary 2 is amazing.
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Yes it is, but the para-2 is still off limits because Spyderco soiled the money trail & is doing business with the Chi-com govt.

That's how radical some of the posts are sounding to me anyway. Or,do certain models get a pass because the company who deals heavily with China, makes it in the USA? :confused:
 
Another point of interest (and it's probably come up already) is that, as far as my understanding goes, Sanrenmu has manufactured knives for American companies in the past (which were listed on Sanrenmu's old website, but it seems they've removed that info...) which have been sold under budget product lines such as Spyderco's Byrd knives or Benchmade's Red Class series.

If it's okay to get a Spyderco Tenacious or a Kershaw Cryo, because they carry Spyderco and Kershaw's respective names, then is it okay to get a Sanrenmu (that's probably made in the same factory) so long as it carries Sanrenmu's name? What if it happens to look like another chinese-made knife which carries an American name?

If it's okay to get a Benchmade Vex (since it carries the name of an American knife company):

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Is it okay to get either of these Sanrenmu knives, which are suspiciously similar and probably made by the same people?

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This is getting complicated. What if Sanrenmu knocks off its own designs? Is it morally right to buy from them? :confused:
 
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I just have very little choice as to where so many things are made today, that I buy and use daily. I can still fortunately get a knife made in the USA that I feel is better than comes out of China. I also can afford to do so. So, I do.

If people want to buy brand name Chinese knives and they are happy with that choice that's fine with me, I sure can't do more than voice my opinion. I don't like this shift of EVERYTHING being made in China nearly today. I would have vastly preferred to pay more and bought shoes, televisions, computers still made here, but we the consumers long ago, had that choice removed from us. As it is now, I can still get superior USA made knives, I would HATE to see the day when you can't. (and keep buying the Chinese made ones because they are cheaper & serviceable, that's just how we lost the choice on everything else)
 
Dorito, it's pretty simple.

Stop buying knives that are made in China, period.

Works for me.

Hell, I stopped buying knives that aren't made anywhere but the U.S.
It makes it a lot easier that way.
 
I've got a couple of German Bokers and two from HI, but that's it for me. Everything else is American.
 
5.56 said:
Dorito, it's pretty simple.

Stop buying knives that are made in China, period.

Works for me.

Hell, I stopped buying knives that aren't made anywhere but the U.S.
It makes it a lot easier that way.
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Can I at least buy Canadian made knives? Since I live in Canada? :confused: :(
 
Dorito Monk said:
Can I at least buy Canadian made knives? Since I live in Canada? :confused: :(
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If you can find any.:D
Well, there's Grohmann for production knives, and the custom makers here in Canada, but If I were stuck with only Canadian made knives, I wouldn't have many.

I support the Canadian economy by working my horrible job; that's good enough.:thumbup:

As for China, I think knives made there are fine...but copies, which constitute theft/fraud/"dicketry", are not.
 
cziv said:
Yes it is, but the para-2 is still off limits because Spyderco soiled the money trail & is doing business with the Chi-com govt.

That's how radical some of the posts are sounding to me anyway. Or,do certain models get a pass because the company who deals heavily with China, makes it in the USA? :confused:
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Granted, I haven't read all of the posts but the ones I saw were complaining about a company profiting from stealing a design. Not just buying something made in China. Since Kershaw has permission to make the Cryo based on the Hinderer design, I think that is fine. Buying an actual counterfeit Hinderer is wrong IMO. I don't care if Spyderco makes some knives here and some in China as long as they tell us which is which. All of my Spyderco's are either USA or Seki City.
 
With regard to any Chinese knockoffs, my principle is really simple: never buy, never use.

Remember, by selling all kinds of junky stuff to the US, the commies are eliminating our jobs and expanding their arsenal of missiles, submarines, jet fighters, and a-bombs.
 
How do I feel about it ? I choose not to...just like I choose not to feel anything about anyone that buys, sells or promotes their puke. I also don't have "feelings" for "American" companies that profit from having their junk made there.
I had a customer recently tell me he used to only buy TOP END handmade knives on the secondary market(which is also good for the economy, keep your cash here..pay it forward) like EBAY, now he doesn't even try because it's such a headache filtering through all the knock-offs. In the past month I have seen several threads "Is this a real ______" or a knock-off.
 
Wait, does this mean you don't want to buy my "top end," premium Russian Randall knife?:D

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(Photo courtesy of Bernard Levine.)

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This one will be shipping from the shop in Orlando (USA) on Friday. I think I'll just wait for it.;)

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Nixelplix said:
It doesn't matter if the knives are garbage or are better than the originals, they're still knock-offs. If these companies can make such great knives, why don't they make knives of their own design, instead of stealing other people's hard work?
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Why dont they make their own designs?...Because R&D is expensive and requires educated researchers, but with the current brain-drain to China, this will change too.....and that is scary.
 
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