How do you guys feel about China copies?

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Samael said:
Wait, does this mean you don't want to buy my "top end," premium Russian Randall knife?:D

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Yes, yes, I buy Russian knife! Send me quickly!
 
xperiaarcs said:
I am fairly young thats true, but i made my gf happy (and no money isnt something that is important if i couldnt get anything but the dollar menu shed still be happy) but shed have been mad if i spent it on a knife.

Idk, it isnt that im messed up, its just that im stuck in a mental struggle that i cant seem to find a soultion too.
I was raised in a house that was dirt poor and my dad always bought classic car parts and all this stuff that in turn is worth alot more then what he paid, but its just that sight of seeing that he took money that should have been put towards bills, food, health insurance (witch i didnt get to have witch i should have) cloths and every day essitenals he bought that stuff that he justified with "itll be worth more later watch".

I guess its more or less my problem is myself, and my fear is doing what my father did without realizing it. If that makes sense, if not then im sorry.

if anything though this conversation has made me decide not to buy a knock off.
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havent read any farther than this so i dont even know if you are still reading this thread. what i have to say is this;

always pay your bills first. always. after your bills are paid you can do whatever with your money but always get those bills paid first.
buying an optional item like a 'high-dollar' knife when you have unpaid bills is foolish.
 
Busseholic said:
With regard to any Chinese knockoffs, my principle is really simple: never buy, never use.

Remember, by selling all kinds of junky stuff to the US, the commies are eliminating our jobs and expanding their arsenal of missiles, submarines, jet fighters, and a-bombs.
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I need a US made tinfoil hat in that case. ;)

wouldestous said:
havent read any farther than this so i dont even know if you are still reading this thread. what i have to say is this;

always pay your bills first. always. after your bills are paid you can do whatever with your money but always get those bills paid first.
buying an optional item like a 'high-dollar' knife when you have unpaid bills is foolish.
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Words to live by. This is what I do like clockwork every single month.
 
svärdman;11075389 said:
Why dont they make their own designs?...Because R&D is expensive and requires educated researchers, but with the current brain-drain to China, this will change too.....and that is scary.
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It is. Some businessmen and politicians here are endeavoring to bury our country, thus making the commies across the ocean very happy.
 
I have to wonder how many sales are really lost to the knock offs? How many people were going to purchase the real thing, then decided to buy the knockoff instead. Personally, I doubt it is really that many. I havn't bought any knock-offs myself, but my wife has some knock off purses, and they are every bit as good if not better than the real ones. Of course purses don't have a very high quality threshold. Once you have spent $100 on a purse, you got about as good of one as you are gonna get other than handmade jobbies.

Guess thats where the difference comes in. CRK, Benchmade, Spyderco really aren't charging 10-100 times the actual value of their items for MSRP. If they priced like designer purses, CRKs would be $10k, and Spydercoes $500 for a Tenacious. I understand the knock off market there more.

For things like Sebenza's, they are not really competing with the Knockoffs. If you reall want a Sebbie, you buy one. Even if you have to save. If you want a Sebenza knockoff to play with, you buy that. Neither one is actually competing, or taking away money from the others. The only exception is when people sell a fake at genuine prices, and try to pass it off as genuine.

For me, and my personal budget, once you have busted the $50-$100 dollar mark, the rest is just toy value. I buy knives for more because they are freaking cool. Much cooler than a knockoff could ever be. But all that extra money I spend past that first $50 is all on the toy value, not the actual tool value. Some peoples budgets are different.

I don't hate the people that can afford more expensive knives, and I don't look down on those that can't afford what I can. IMO that kind of attitude is what got our country where it is, with so many people broken into small camps that hate or look down on everyone else. If people focused more on themselves, and what they do and can influence, and not on attacking others, I think we would all be a lot better off.
 
Dorito Monk said:
Another point of interest (and it's probably come up already) is that, as far as my understanding goes, Sanrenmu has manufactured knives for American companies in the past (which were listed on Sanrenmu's old website, but it seems they've removed that info...) which have been sold under budget product lines such as Spyderco's Byrd knives or Benchmade's Red Class series.

If it's okay to get a Spyderco Tenacious or a Kershaw Cryo, because they carry Spyderco and Kershaw's respective names, then is it okay to get a Sanrenmu (that's probably made in the same factory) so long as it carries Sanrenmu's name? What if it happens to look like another chinese-made knife which carries an American name?

If it's okay to get a Benchmade Vex (since it carries the name of an American knife company):

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Is it okay to get either of these Sanrenmu knives, which are suspiciously similar and probably made by the same people?

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This is getting complicated. What if Sanrenmu knocks off its own designs? Is it morally right to buy from them? :confused:
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What is the knife with the blue scales?
 
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On another sidebar, when it comes to buying from overseas supporting thieves or bad gov'ts, every purchase made in the states puts money into the hands of criminals too in the form of taxes (not saying the gov't as a whole is corrupt, but surely some of that tax/shipping money goes to bad people. Hell, how can we all know for sure that one of these employees of a knife company is not a Jerry Sandusky that just hasn't been caught yet). I wonder what percentage of these Chinese rip off companies employees are actually the ones stealing designs? Is it that guy on the factory floor that screws in the pocket clips just to make enough to feed his family for a day? Just food for thought (hell I still don't know exactly what I think on this subject yet).
 
GatorFlash1 said:
Just heard the US Olympic team had their uniforms made in China.
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Not for long. Looks like they'll either be nekkid or getting new ones made in the US. Fortunately, most of them have pretty nice bodies.
 
May be hated on for this but in my opinion it's like renting before buying, I bought a Sanrenmu 910 plus because I wanted to findout if I liked holding the shape and size of a sebenza before spending lots of money. So in theory when I do buy the sebenza I have supported 2 companies while being able to compare what a true knife feels like, for the most part I'm against copies but in some cases I think it's actually beneficial. And it's not the fact the sebenza is to much money but I still wanted to make sure I really thought it was comfortable, good edc size, etc...but again I know I may get hated on here for this bit it comes down to my money and this is how I felt about spending it.
 
With all of the posturing and preening against China, theft of intellectual property, and piracy, I have to assume that all said people have bought and paid for all of their music, having never downloaded or pirated songs.
 
sticktodrum said:
With all of the posturing and preening against China, theft of intellectual property, and piracy, I have to assume that all said people have bought and paid for all of their music, having never downloaded or pirated songs.
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And also that they don't mind buying "copycat" brands at the supermarket? You know, the ones who aren't quite as expensive as A brands but claim to have the same product? The Rice Crispy clones? The laundry detergent that claims to be the same as the expensive one. etc etc etc.
 
sticktodrum said:
With all of the posturing and preening against China, theft of intellectual property, and piracy, I have to assume that all said people have bought and paid for all of their music, having never downloaded or pirated songs.
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Yup - I either bought the CD (collection is currently down to about about 300 or so) or bought 'em from iTunes. Same goes for DVDs/movies.

Stealing is stealing.
 
JAB said:
Yup - I either bought the CD (collection is currently down to about about 300 or so) or bought 'em from iTunes. Same goes for DVDs/movies.

Stealing is stealing.
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Ditto. Some things I've bought two and three different times as the formats have changed over the years.
 
Samael said:
Ditto. Some things I've bought two and three different times as the formats have changed over the years.
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Oh yeah! There were so many albums I had on vinyl/cassette then purchased again when they became available on CD (and, often, again when lost, stolen scratched, etc.) and almost all the movies I had bought on VHS were also later re-purchased on DVD or, more recently, digitally.

While I love straw man arguments as much as the next guy, :rolleyes: many who are defending the counterfeiters don't seem to grasp the possibility that not all of us are completely *ahem* morally challenged.
 
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