How do you guys feel about China copies?

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listen I want a Ferrari but cant afford it but I dont want an immitation its called stealing intellectual property. Get a job and save.
 
There are copies and copies, which are expensive and do not perform poorly used good materials.
Not defend copies but quality has its reason for existence, 400 or 500 dollars for a strider is much money that not everyone can have quality and a replica can give the same feelings knowing is not authentic to a price much lower.
 
I don't really care. I don't buy them and their existence doesn't prevent me from buying the knives that I do want.
 
Leeble611 said:
listen I want a Ferrari but cant afford it but I dont want an immitation its called stealing intellectual property. Get a job and save.
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Technically, if there are no copyrighys, patents our other licensing on out it's not stealing at all because they don't own it.
 
xperiaarcs said:
i dont wanna support stealing but i dont wanna support the big buisness either, maybe i need a single person that makes private custom knives.. probably really expensive though.
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xperiaarcs said:
I have seen copy knives of sebenzas striders emersons and everything else from china for like 40-50$.
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Are you actually calling CRK, Strider and Emerson "big business"? These are all small companies/designers who have built something great through hard work and because of the opportunities that capitalism affords. Sure, their knives are $400+, but the fact that the market supports that price based on quality and workmanship shows that they are worth it.

If you are more into form than function feel free to buy a cheesy rip-off because it "looks good". Otherwise, I would recommend that you but a Kershaw or equivalent for the same price. You will know that you are getting what you paid for, and it will come with something that the China-made junk doesn't; customer service.
 
I don't see a problem with buying a Chinese one, personally. I've never understood why anyone would pay the kind of money that CRK and others charge for their knives. There's nothing special about them to make them cost $ 400 +.
 
Hi All,

I was looking around for a large axis lock folder and I found this, a Ganzo 712. I am pretty sure its new, never seen it before but I instantly
recognized it as being based on the ColdSteel espada. The reason I want a large axis lock knife is because I believe the axis lock is perfectly suited for opening knives with large blades single handedly. I have the ColdSteel Spartan and have almost cut myself a few times before because my thumb would slip off the plate and the retention is pretty strong. So here is my question although the Ganzo resembles the espada in shape, would this still be considered a copy?
I would be grateful for any opinions you all may have on this.

 
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If someone gave me a knife made in China I would throw in away. Wouldn't even have to be a rip off copy.
 
Jachzehn said:
Hi All,

I was looking around for a large axis lock folder and I found this, a Ganzo 712. I am pretty sure its new, never seen it before but I instantly
recognized it as being based on the ColdSteel espada. The reason I want a large axis lock knife is because I believe the axis lock is perfectly suited for opening knives with large blades single handedly. I have the ColdSteel Spartan and have almost cut myself a few times before because my thumb would slip off the plate and the retention is pretty strong. So here is my question although the Ganzo resembles the espada in shape, would this still be considered a copy?
I would be grateful for any opinions you all may have on this.

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It's not even close to being a copy. Different lock, different blade shape, different handle shape, different handle material, different thumb-stud.

They have a vague similarity that instantly disappears with one good look.
 
I have a SRM 763. Not a direct copy, but utilizes ideas from other manufacturers. I think its a great little knife.
 
Pride of Ownership
Many people don't seem to understand this concept, whether it be knives or some other object.
Personally, I would throw away a copy from China. However, copies from China have their place in the market, sadly.
Over my miniscule time in the knife world I've met many an individual, the folk at Plaza Cutlery, Mr. Emerson, Les George, etc. that helped me to understand exactly what "Pride of Ownership" means.
If you can't afford it, then save up, sure it takes time but if you take the time to meet these individuals then I can only hope you can learn why people like myself do what we do, spending money on $400+ cutlery.

Just my two cents.
 
Ken44 said:
If someone gave me a knife made in China I would throw in away. Wouldn't even have to be a rip off copy.
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And that is certainly your right.

But here is a short list of American companies that have some of their knives made in China-

Buck
SOG
Kershaw
Spyderco
Benchmade

I'm sure that these American companies hope that not everyone feels the way you do. Otherwise their businesses might suffer greatly.

I can't help but be curious- Where was your computer made? I'd bet China.

But like I said, it's entirely your right.

I would also add the following- There are members of this forum who are Chinese, Chinese/American, and some who live China. I can't help but wonder how they feel when they read people suggest that something made in their country is worthless simply because it's made in their country. I wonder how Americans would react if someone on this forum said "If someone gave me a knife made in the USA I'd throw it away".
 
If China can make knife for most of the American knife companies, " How hard can it be to copy".
 
Jachzehn said:
Hi All,

I was looking around for a large axis lock folder and I found this, a Ganzo 712. I am pretty sure its new, never seen it before but I instantly
recognized it as being based on the ColdSteel espada. The reason I want a large axis lock knife is because I believe the axis lock is perfectly suited for opening knives with large blades single handedly. I have the ColdSteel Spartan and have almost cut myself a few times before because my thumb would slip off the plate and the retention is pretty strong. So here is my question although the Ganzo resembles the espada in shape, would this still be considered a copy?
I would be grateful for any opinions you all may have on this.

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That is a knockoff, but not of a Cold Steel knife.

It's one of Ganzo's increasing number of Benchmade knockoffs.

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Thanks Dorito Monk!

I had no idea it was based on a benchmade.
I was considering the purchase of the Ganzo before, but
now that it is clear that its a copy I will not be buying it.
Thanks everyone for all your input!
 
While Dorito Monk is correct about it being a copy of a Benchmade, I can't find anything that says that Benchmade has a patent on the design. And it's obvious that Ganzo isn't trying to fool people into believing that their copy is a real Benchmade, after all, they stenciled GANZO right on the blade.

During my many years in the knife world I've seen American knife companies make very similar looking knives with the same type of lock as other American companies. I've never held it against them.
 
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killgar said:
While Dorito Monk is correct about it being a copy of a Benchmade, I can't find anything that says that Benchmade has a patent on the design. And it's obvious that Ganzo isn't trying to fool people into believing that their copy is a real Benchmade, after all, they stenciled GANZO right on the blade.
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I don't think they're trying to pass it off as a benchmade. I think they are lazy and can't design their own knives so they steal a cool looking knife design from a highly respected knife company to make a quick buck.
 
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