How do you guys feel about China copies?

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seelow123 said:
I don't think they're trying to pass it off as a benchmade. I think they are lazy and can't design their own knives so they steal a cool looking knife design from a highly respected knife company to make a quick buck.
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I agree with you to a point. But technically, and legally, unless a person or company has a legal and current patent, then it's not stealing to copy their idea/design. But naturally some may disagree.

Now if a company intentionally tried to fool people into believing that their copy was in fact the real-deal with false branding, labeling, makers marks, etc, then that would be counterfeiting/fraud, and that IS a crime, one that should be heavily punished.

But consider this comparison regarding "copies"- Levi Strauss invented denim jeans and received the first US patent for them. Eventually that patent ran out. Today, several American companies produce denim jeans (Lee, Wrangler, etc). Now using the same argument being proposed in this thread regarding knife copies, it could be said that every one of those companies that are producing denim jeans are stealing Levi's invention. I wonder how many people on this forum who are wearing jeans are wearing a copy of Levi's invention and couldn't care less about it.
 
seelow123 said:
highly respected knife company to make a quick buck.
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Meh...... not that highly respected I think. But I have to admit I've always liked the Onslaught design. I'd still buy that one over the Ganzo version if only because they were dumb enough not to add lefthanded carry options. And Benchmade has always been pretty good in that respect. (Too bad they didn't do it on the 755MPR otherwise I'd own that one right now).
 
That $60 d2 sebenza is tempting, but im still not gonna do it. Id rather save the $60 for a little while and get the real thing.
 
killgar said:
But here is a short list of American companies that have some of their knives made in China-

Buck
SOG
Kershaw
Spyderco
Benchmade

I can't help but be curious- Where was your computer made? I'd bet China.

But like I said, it's entirely your right.

I wonder how Americans would react if someone on this forum said "If someone gave me a knife made in the USA I'd throw it away".
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I know what companies have knives made in China, and I would never by one of those models.

When it comes to computers, and most electronics we don't have much of a choice, but we do when it comes to knives. Most of the best knives in the world are made here.

I could care less if someone from China said " If someone gave me a knife made in the USA I'd thow it away".
Why would I, that is entirely their right.
And I don't care how they, or you, feel about my comment.
 
Ken44 said:
I know what companies have knives made in China, and I would never by one of those models.
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It could be said that buying ANY knife from an American company that produces knives in China is the same as supporting the exportation of American jobs to China, after all, that's exactly what those American companies are doing. Also, every American knife company that does business in China has to pay a portion of it's income to the Chinese government in the form of taxes, trade tariffs, bribes, etc. So, it could be said that when you buy ANY knife from one of those companies that you are helping to support the Chinese government.

When it comes to computers, and most electronics we don't have much of a choice, but we do when it comes to knives. Most of the best knives in the world are made here.
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Unless a person needs a personal computer in their home for their job, then they don't really need a personal computer (or Ipad, Iphone, Ipod, etc, etc). If a person is TRULY opposed to owning things made in China then I would think that they wouldn't want to own ANYTHING made in China that they didn't absolutely need. There is a choice- don't buy them.

As far as knives, I know that there are several knife makers in this country that don't produce ANY knives in China and don't pay the Chinese government any taxes, etc. I'm sure they would love to get the business of anyone who absolutely despises anything made in China or any American company that gives money to the Chinese government.

I could care less if someone from China said " If someone gave me a knife made in the USA I'd thow it away".
Why would I, that is entirely their right.
And I don't care how they, or you, feel about my comment.
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Different strokes. I for one would not feel right about condemning Chinese-made products if I myself CHOSE to buy, use, and enjoy Chinese-made products, or was supporting companies that produced them. But that's just me.
 
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killgar said:
It could be said that buying ANY knife from an American company that produces knives in China is the same as supporting the exportation of American jobs to China, after all, that's exactly what those American companies are doing. Also, every American knife company that does business in China has to pay a portion of it's income to the Chinese government in the form of taxes, trade tariffs, bribes, etc. So, it could be said that when you buy ANY knife from one of those companies that you are helping to support the Chinese government.

Unless a person needs a personal computer in their home for their job, then they don't really need a personal computer (or Ipad, Iphone, Ipod, etc, etc). If a person is TRULY opposed to owning things made in China then I would think that they wouldn't want to own ANYTHING made in China that they didn't absolutely need. There is a choice- don't buy them.

As far as knives, I know that there are several knife makers in this country that don't produce ANY knives in China and don't pay the Chinese government any taxes, etc. I'm sure they would love to get the business of anyone who absolutely despises anything made in China or any American company that gives money to the Chinese government.

Different strokes. I for one would not feel right about condemning Chinese-made products if I myself CHOSE to buy, use, and enjoy Chinese-made products, or was supporting companies that produced them. But that's just me.
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Chill man, don't worry about what others want to buy. I just don't want a knife made in China, or anything else that I can get with ease that isn't made there. Relax, and don't let it bother you.
I don't care one bit if you and others buy knives made in China. Its none of my buisness what you buy, just like its none of yours in what I buy:)

Also, no I don't have to have a PC, but I enjoy having one. So I have one.
 
Ken44 said:
Chill man, don't worry about what others want to buy. I just don't want a knife made in China, or anything else that I can get with ease that isn't made there. Relax, and don't let it bother you.
I don't care one bit if you and others buy knives made in China. Its none of my buisness what you buy, just like its none of yours in what I buy:)

Also, no I don't have to have a PC, but I enjoy having one. So I have one.
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I can assure you that I am adequately chilled. :cool:

This IS a discussion forum after all, and that's exactly what I'm doing, discussing one of the topics at hand. I didn't start this thread, heck, I just joined the conversation on page 19. And I've been a member here since before the thread started.

Although I was quoting you in my posts, that's only because you mentioned topics I wished to comment on. It was nothing personal against you.

You're quite right, it's none of my business what you buy or don't buy, and I honestly couldn't care less. But if a person posts their buying preferences on a public discussion forum, then it's certainly possible that others might comment on what they say. Such is the nature of discussion forums.

No hard feelings on my part. Just some pointless discussion and a little free time wasted on Bladeforums. I'm sure that if either of us had more important things to do that we would be doing them. :)
 
SpookStrickland said:
I wont own a Chicom copy of a Sebenza for the same reason I wont own a real one..I don't want to be called a Douche LOL
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Why would anyone call you a douche for owning a Sebenza:confused:

I, and most people wouldn't call anyone a douche for owning either. People are free to own what they want without people casting judgement. Just get what you want, as thats all that matters:thumbup: What doesn't matter is what others think.
 
Ken44 said:
Why would anyone call you a douche for owning a Sebenza:confused:

I, and most people wouldn't call anyone a douche for owning either. People are free to own what they want without people casting judgement. Just get what you want, as thats all that matters:thumbup: What doesn't matter is what others think.
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+1 :thumbup:

9 out of 10 Doctors agree; Taking knife collecting too seriously is bad for your health. :thumbup:
 
Inspiration and influence are understandable elements, but I hate a lazy knock-off maker who is just out for a buck on the back of someone else's creative work.
 
Would you buy Mick, Rick and Chris icons paying half as much if they move their production to China or Taiwan with the same quality control ?
 
abras said:
Would you buy Mick, Rick and Chris icons paying half as much if they move their production to China or Taiwan with the same quality control ?
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Half price would still make them too expensive for me, I think...

So, no, I don't think I'd buy them, but since I don't buy them now either, that's not much of a change.
 
xperiaarcs said:
I want to get a nicer looking knife but i cant afford any of those expensive knife makers.

I have seen copy knives of sebenzas striders emersons and everything else from china for like 40-50$.

They use decent materials like D2 steel and titanium, arent a name brand and take about 3 weeks to get here.

Do you guys think its okay or terrible?

Only asking because i want something with those looks but i just got my hours cut at work and wont be able to justify 400$ for a real strider or CRK.
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clone copies?? no problem but counterfit yes I have a very BIG problem with those. as lont as they dont say the real knife name one it or sell it as the real deal then it is just china sell ing knifes. they put fakes out there and tell people that they are real that is what I have a problem with.
 
Guyon said:
Inspiration and influence are understandable elements, but I hate a lazy knock-off maker who is just out for a buck on the back of someone else's creative work.
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But what if there is no creative work? Or the creativity is just bs marketing? The two most respected Chinese knives are probably the MTech 151, a Trailmaster clone, and the Enlan Hinderer Clone (EL01?)

...There is nothing, nada, zip, "original" about the Trailmaster. It's a generic bowie with the cheapest (and dumbest and least safe) handle option. Cold Steel otoh cloned the very distinctive Grohman design, just changing the handle to plastic. The 151 costs something like a tenth of the cheapest TM and is made of very decent stainless.

...The Hinderer sells at stupid prices trading on LEO/EMT/fire "credentials" that are highly suspect. It's hard to see why a fireman would need a blade that is optimized for stabbing, and my repeated searches of LEO forums have turned up nothing to show that real cops use the silly thing.

Arguably the reason the Chinese can clone so successfully is because US knife makers and buyers are so heavily oriented towards bs marketing - it's easy to produce cheap clones of "originals" when the originals are probably cheap to produce too and most of what buyers are paying for is promotion.
 
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