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:thumbup::thumbup: Oh so true.
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How do you guys feel about China copies?
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:thumbup::thumbup: Oh so true.
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Wow, really? Your integrity is defined by the knife you carry?
Your integrity isn't defined by some worthless object riding in your pocket, or by what a bunch of whining desk jockeys on the internet say. You are a very, very sad creature if you think your integrity is defined by a tiny chunk of steel.
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I don't have a problem with knives made in China, or any other country for that matter, as long as they're of their own design.
But blatantly copying another's work is wrong, and I can't support that.
But blatantly copying another's work is wrong, and I can't support that.
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Things are getting heated in here.
I'll give my two cents.
I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on my collection. I have production knives, mid tech knives, and customs. I support knife makers and knife companies by purchasing their knives. I display my collection proudly and I am always quick to give someone advice when they are searching for a good custom maker.
That being said, I purchased and own two knock offs made in China. I have a fake Strider SMF and a fake Hinderer XM-18. I bought these two knives to compare to the real deals. I have owned quite a few real Striders as well as a few real XM-18's. I don't own any more Striders, but I still have my Gen. 1 XM-18. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with wanting to do a comparison of the real knives and the knock offs. You can say that I have no integrity, that I'm not a stand up guy, or that I don't care about our beloved hobby. That's all bullshit. I bought these knives out of curiosity, plain and simple. I wasn't trying to hurt anyone's business nor am I trying to fool myself into thinking I have the real thing by owning these fakes. Please don't throw your beliefs at me because I've heard it all before via these forums. I'm not proud to own these knives. I don't take pictures of them and post them. I don't show them off with the intention of making someone believe they are real. I have showed them to other knife enthusiasts and they've come to the same conclusion I have....
I'm sorry to say this, but unfortunately these are not garbage knives. They are pretty well machined and they are pretty well constructed. You may say what you like and you may believe what you like, but until you have one of these knives in your hand and you are using it you can not make blind and unjustified statements about the quality of these knives without sounding like an ass. As beaters, these knives are well worth the money. Granted, the blade materials are not what they claim. Most likely all of these blades are 8Cr13MoV or whatever the hell it is. They are not pot metal, they are not slag metal, but they are definitely not D2 either. They sharpen up easily and they hold and edge for a day of work. I am not saying that anyone should rush out and buy one if they want the real thing, but I'm also not going to tell anyone that they are buying absolute garbage if they purchase on either. They may be counterfeits, but they are decent quality counterfeits and if someone wants to get a feel for the real thing without spending hundreds then it is a viable resource to do as such. I've used these knives and I haven't had an issue with them other than the edge not staying hair popping sharp, but that is expected with lackluster steel.
I will say this, and I know I am going to take heat for this, but it is my opinion. The fake Strider SMF I own has better fit and finish than any of the real Striders I've owned. The lock up is tight, the blade is centered, the edge is sharp out of the box, and the action is smooth from opening to closing. I can not say these positive things about the real Striders I've owned. The blade has a hollow grind that is well done and even. There is an addition of a stop pin as well as using the thumbstuds as stop pins.
The fake Hinderer's quality is not up to snuff with the real thing although there are some improvements on the fake. First off is the addition of the removable steel insert on the lockbar. I am a fan of these. They make for slower wear on the lockbar and if at any time they need to be replaced, one can do so. The downside is that I don't think I'll just be able to order another of these inserts for this knife. Buying parts for a counterfeit may be difficult. The other improvement I noticed was the addition of a pivot bushing similar to that on a Sebenza. The bushing allows you to tighten down the pivot while keeping the action very smooth while opening and closing. The addition of this pivot made the knife easer to flip open than a real XM-18 although the detent is just as weak as the real deal. Finally, the G-10 scale on the fake has been cut out to get to the lock easier. Personally, I like this and I like the way it feels in my hand better. I know that Rick did not do this on purpose so that it would be much more difficult for the lock to disengage during use.
Well, take what I've said as you will. I support American made knives and American knife makers. I pay my hard earned money for these knives. I also paid for two counterfeits where the total sum for both was 1/4 the price of a real XM-18 sold by Rick directly. Yes, both knives were about $100. All I did was state my findings about these knives.
I didn't want to like these knives. I didn't want them to be well made. I wanted to be able to come on here after receiving them and to tell everyone that they are garbage and not nearly worth the money they cost. I wanted all that, but it's not what happened.
I'll give my two cents.
I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on my collection. I have production knives, mid tech knives, and customs. I support knife makers and knife companies by purchasing their knives. I display my collection proudly and I am always quick to give someone advice when they are searching for a good custom maker.
That being said, I purchased and own two knock offs made in China. I have a fake Strider SMF and a fake Hinderer XM-18. I bought these two knives to compare to the real deals. I have owned quite a few real Striders as well as a few real XM-18's. I don't own any more Striders, but I still have my Gen. 1 XM-18. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with wanting to do a comparison of the real knives and the knock offs. You can say that I have no integrity, that I'm not a stand up guy, or that I don't care about our beloved hobby. That's all bullshit. I bought these knives out of curiosity, plain and simple. I wasn't trying to hurt anyone's business nor am I trying to fool myself into thinking I have the real thing by owning these fakes. Please don't throw your beliefs at me because I've heard it all before via these forums. I'm not proud to own these knives. I don't take pictures of them and post them. I don't show them off with the intention of making someone believe they are real. I have showed them to other knife enthusiasts and they've come to the same conclusion I have....
I'm sorry to say this, but unfortunately these are not garbage knives. They are pretty well machined and they are pretty well constructed. You may say what you like and you may believe what you like, but until you have one of these knives in your hand and you are using it you can not make blind and unjustified statements about the quality of these knives without sounding like an ass. As beaters, these knives are well worth the money. Granted, the blade materials are not what they claim. Most likely all of these blades are 8Cr13MoV or whatever the hell it is. They are not pot metal, they are not slag metal, but they are definitely not D2 either. They sharpen up easily and they hold and edge for a day of work. I am not saying that anyone should rush out and buy one if they want the real thing, but I'm also not going to tell anyone that they are buying absolute garbage if they purchase on either. They may be counterfeits, but they are decent quality counterfeits and if someone wants to get a feel for the real thing without spending hundreds then it is a viable resource to do as such. I've used these knives and I haven't had an issue with them other than the edge not staying hair popping sharp, but that is expected with lackluster steel.
I will say this, and I know I am going to take heat for this, but it is my opinion. The fake Strider SMF I own has better fit and finish than any of the real Striders I've owned. The lock up is tight, the blade is centered, the edge is sharp out of the box, and the action is smooth from opening to closing. I can not say these positive things about the real Striders I've owned. The blade has a hollow grind that is well done and even. There is an addition of a stop pin as well as using the thumbstuds as stop pins.
The fake Hinderer's quality is not up to snuff with the real thing although there are some improvements on the fake. First off is the addition of the removable steel insert on the lockbar. I am a fan of these. They make for slower wear on the lockbar and if at any time they need to be replaced, one can do so. The downside is that I don't think I'll just be able to order another of these inserts for this knife. Buying parts for a counterfeit may be difficult. The other improvement I noticed was the addition of a pivot bushing similar to that on a Sebenza. The bushing allows you to tighten down the pivot while keeping the action very smooth while opening and closing. The addition of this pivot made the knife easer to flip open than a real XM-18 although the detent is just as weak as the real deal. Finally, the G-10 scale on the fake has been cut out to get to the lock easier. Personally, I like this and I like the way it feels in my hand better. I know that Rick did not do this on purpose so that it would be much more difficult for the lock to disengage during use.
Well, take what I've said as you will. I support American made knives and American knife makers. I pay my hard earned money for these knives. I also paid for two counterfeits where the total sum for both was 1/4 the price of a real XM-18 sold by Rick directly. Yes, both knives were about $100. All I did was state my findings about these knives.
I didn't want to like these knives. I didn't want them to be well made. I wanted to be able to come on here after receiving them and to tell everyone that they are garbage and not nearly worth the money they cost. I wanted all that, but it's not what happened.
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That's the way I see it as well:thumbup:
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I'm not here to argue that. Even though I own a couple, I actually agree with you. I don't see anything wrong with inspiration, but these are flat out counterfeits with logos and names on them. The quality is not bad though.
I don't believe in violating copyrights, but copying something isn't necessarily illegal or wrong. In fact, if human beings didn't copy from one another we'd still be sitting under trees picking bugs off one another. Consumers generally like to get as much as they can for their money from producers wherever they are. It's called free trade... suck it up.
How long do all of these patents last, anyway..?! For instance, wasn't the Sebenza designed in the 80's or something?
Are you guys saying that after 20-30 years, others can't copy or recycle a design? If it's legal, then I'm all for it. If not, then no;
but, I'm not gonna be dogmatically faithful to some designer just because they are viewed as gods in their field.
Are you guys saying that after 20-30 years, others can't copy or recycle a design? If it's legal, then I'm all for it. If not, then no;
but, I'm not gonna be dogmatically faithful to some designer just because they are viewed as gods in their field.
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So is just about every other knife ever made. Do you think Jim Bowie is getting a royalty whenever somebody calls a knife a "bowie"? Get off the high horse, lay off the arrogance and enjoy these items for what they are. You are not doing your original makers any favors. If these truely are knockoff, then shame on them for steeling the design, and shame on the original maker for producing his item at costs exceeding 30-40x the price of the knockoff. This isn't exactly high tech R&D and development, the design you are talking about is usually just a small incremental variation on everybody elses. I don't blame the original maker for the uncompetitive state of our economy, but by the same token they have better keep on innovating because the competition is going to keep producing them cheaper.
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I like how people with some actual integrity are now being considered on a high horse.
Fake knives are fake, and I will never purchase one. Supporting disreputable companies by buying their knives only perpetuates the problem.
I've never been one for horseback riding, but I do have some pride in supporting American companies with original designs.
OP, glad you made your decision.:thumbup:
Fake knives are fake, and I will never purchase one. Supporting disreputable companies by buying their knives only perpetuates the problem.
I've never been one for horseback riding, but I do have some pride in supporting American companies with original designs.
OP, glad you made your decision.:thumbup:
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not only do we ride high on our horses, but we're whining elitist d-bags 
and i'll stick with what i posted, fakes are junk.... i dont care how well some say theyre made, imo junk and rip-off pretty much mean the same thing.
when you rip off someone elses design you are stealing from them, and stolen stuff is JUNK.
and i'll stick with what i posted, fakes are junk.... i dont care how well some say theyre made, imo junk and rip-off pretty much mean the same thing.
when you rip off someone elses design you are stealing from them, and stolen stuff is JUNK.
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I'd suggest that if you contemplated the matter from more than one angle, you might not feel this way entirely.
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not only do we ride high on our horses, but we're whining elitist d-bags
i'll stick with what i said, fakes are junk.... i dont care how well some say theyre made, to me junk and rip-off pretty much mean the same thing.
"I don't care how well they're made, they're still junk! Don't confuse me with the facts, they get in the way of my opinions!"
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i do not support them and would rather support our fellow amercian MFG's BUT! i do however understand why someone would buy them and i would never criticize someone for having one just for the fact of the price of the USA version, because i can understand someone with little money wanting the real version but can not pay for it so the next best thing is to get a GOOD clone like with the SMF clone from china which isnt that bad IMO D2 steel that the blade is made out of was a shock and it is aluminum.. so yes i would rather support good ole merica but would not hate on someone who has one.. but do hate the ppl that get rich off of other ppls hard work..
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