How many lemons does BRKT need to accept that something is wrong?

Chopping a coconut with your knife should not chip the edge all out (assuming it is even a half way hard use knife). I would not try it with a very thin knife or one ground especially thin at the edge though. Proper tool for the job and all.

Especially not a Bravo1, they are designed as a stout combat knife.


I would not hesitate to chop a coconut with my machete, or any of my Busse knives.

I agree. I've chopped lots of coconuts with my knives, starting with this instance:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200338&highlight=stroke

I've never chipped, rolled, or otherwise damaged an edge at all from chopping coconuts. Any hard use knife should be able to handle chopping coconuts, easily.
 
I used to be a staunch BRKT supporter, but then things got a bit confused.

I had a Catt 225Q where the pommel was gone, and Mike said he could put a handle on it fairly inexpensively. I figured what the hell, and sent it in. Two months and $100 later, I got a chunky slab of Bakelite for a grip, which won't even come close to fitting an aftermarket 225Q sheath. All I wanted was leather or wood, he agreed to that, and I flat didn't get it.
 
not first hand, and I am willing to bet that neither one of us does. Am I right.? Unless you know the situation and players first hand you are only spreading more gossip.

Gossip? Do the research yourself. He has been lying his way through the knife industry for years. Almost a decade in fact. Don't take my word for it though RESEARCH yourself and find out more about Mike Stewart. The issue seems to be that his followers are not concerned the honesty or integrity of the man but rather the products he 'makes'.......

In light of what Evolute posted below, your 'argument' sounds a lot like a blind follower of BRKT.....
 
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not first hand, and I am willing to bet that neither one of us does. Am I right.? Unless you know the situation and players first hand you are only spreading more gossip.

His own words, in his own posts, on his own forum, do not equal gossip. Your argument is absurd.
 
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I checked the OP's YouTube video...... It appears that as of three days ago, he had not received a refund. So much for Bark River QC and Customer Service on this one.......
 
not first hand, and I am willing to bet that neither one of us does. Am I right.? Unless you know the situation and players first hand you are only spreading more gossip.

As Evolute has stated, Mike Stewart made some public statements all on his own, he does not need any help from us to make himself look bad. In addition, I have seen the sales agreements involved in that case, and they certainly don't exonerate Mr. Stewart.

I have also had first hand personal interactions with Mr Stewart and another of his business victims (an issue I had ended up being caught between the two of them, so I got both sides of it) and Mr Stewart most certainly did not come out smelling like a rose.

It's too bad things turned out like this, because Bark River produces quality knives for the most part. But with this history, I won't be buying any more (I have sold off most of mine, although I still have two).
 
Ok its story time,

So some time ago it a not so distant place I became all sorts of enthralled with the convex edge. I naturally found Bark River Knife and Tool. I found all these options and styles, super steels nice sheaths and thought I had died and landed in the land of knife heaven.

I bought my first, a BRKT Aurora. What a cool blade. Held a great edge, sharpened easily, comfortable, fit and finish was fine. Over use however I kept chipping the edge near the tip, it was always in the same spot. After this happened for the third time I realized the sheath was allowing the blade to hit a grommet. Ahhhh….. things happen and Mike sent off a new sheath, all seams well. This knife is really one of my greats.

In the mean time I found BRKT on Knife forums. I thought, ok knife heaven and this is like the Internet café of knife heaven… all must be well. All these fellows to interact with whom also loved the convex Bark River.

I wanted something a little smaller, something different. I then bought a 3V Little Canadian. It came sharp enough to cut butter. It sharpened up, but through use I decided the knife wasn’t for me, the handle just didn’t like me. We parted ways with little loss. No biggie in all truthfulness it was the design that didn’t mesh with me, the knife itself was perfect.

So meanwhile back on the forums I had heard some things about the A2 Gunny. By this time I had learned while things were a little different over in the café, life was still good. I noticed Mike seemed to be very opinionated about his knifes, how they were to be used, how they were built and made it quite clear he didn’t care what others thought. I did notice there was a very click’ish feeling to things. Mind you, everyone is helpful and otherwise nice. You know the song and dance; most forums have some version of a cheerleading squad.

So I settled on the Gunny. Waited a bit but it finally showed just before a trip as I had planned. Showed up on the dull side of life. A little stropping brought out a real sharp edge. In my eagerness, I had to start cutting something. I had a piece of pine near the fireplace and started letting her rip. Slowly it wouldn’t bite and I found the following:

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Ok by this point I was a little fired up. Brand-new knife all sorts of @#$%ed up.

So I jump on to the old forum and let them know what had happened. I noted that I was pissed and disappointed with what had happened. Posted the exact same pictures you see above. Finished packing went to bed.

The next day I jumped back on just to see what had drummed up. As I logged on it felt like three guys threw a hood over my head, clubbed me and dragged what was left to a nearby alley. Seriously what the $&#$% is going on. I had like 14 private messages, I go to the thread and find these condescending messages from the ringleader Mike Stewart himself. How dare I placard photos of an obviously abused knife all over his forum, I was told I had taken the knife to a grinder. Meanwhile I was waiting for my doorbell to and open to find a smoldering pile of poo.

Once Mike had become engaged most of the loyal followers chastised me for not keeping the matter private and for posting pictures. Mike played the victim noting the pictures embarrassed him. The real bizarre part came next; some of the private messages were other members who were coming out against Mike. They were too scared to say anything on the thread. It was like a group of battered wives, “I had that once too.” “Sometimes Mike can be like that, but he’s really a good guy.” “You know this will blow over soon.”

It was off the hook. So less then 24 hours later, the thread was locked, then moved to archives, and then deleted. It never existed.

I was never banned, but might as well have been.

So I ended up returning the knife, I could only get credit towards another Bark River and ended up with the 3V Liten Bror.

I found myself in a weird spot. I really like the two I have, never sold them, but I feel all dirty every time this story comes up. I really like the knives, I have nothing good to say about Mike. These stories I hear about how he can be so viral tend to resonate with me.

So I am at a point where I still love convex edges, I just want to find a new place to give my business.

There it is, take it for what you want.
 
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Ok its story time,

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There it is, take it for what you want.

Wow,What an experience,Mob mentality at it's finest.I personally was considering getting a BRKT golok but after reading story after story of the horrors. Not in a millions years.
 
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These concerns need to be taken to the forum on which the problems occurred.

Sorry to hear about your problems with your Gunny. Contact the dealer and they'll make it right.
 
These concerns need to be taken to the forum on which the problems occurred.

You mean the forum censored by Mike Stewart?

I guess everyone will kind of figure it out for themselves after enough interaction with the man, but why not make it a little easier on the uninformed? It could actually serve to save some people some grief.
 
Rprecision-I had the same experience with a bravo necker 2. I fell in love with idea of BR and bought the necker as an inexpensive way to try out BR knives. When it arrived I tried cutting a piece of nylon strap and the edge was completely wrecked with the first cut. I posted on knife forums about my disappointment with the edge and when I checked back I had a lengthy reply from Mike about how I was abusing his knives and just trying to start s@$t. Then next time I checked back I found that the thread had been removed. It seemed to me that it was impossible to write anything negative about BR on knife forums as it is apparently run by Mike. That experience was enough for me to stop visiting knife forums and to not buy another BR.
 
That seems like an awfully poor business model. I have seen many a post about problems with Spydero and sal came in and wanted to see the knife so he could take care of the problem and satisfy a customer. Personally I have never owned a BR. Mainly because threads like this pop up from time to time. Sounds to me like if you aren't blowing smoke up his ass about his knives you need to be shut up or be censored. What's that they say about lipstick on a pig....
 
The only Bark River I have is a fishing knife, with a thin blade in 12C27. I have cut up coconuts before, but I have always used an old Case kitchen knife in 1095. I have used that knife or others in carbon steel (5160) to break up lobster shells and do the heavy work
in the kitchen. A knife in high carbon steel will only have a brittle edge if it is hardened at too high an RC for the work it is
intended for, or if the blade is ground too thin.
One blade contour will not fit all.
 
You mean the forum censored by Mike Stewart?

I guess everyone will kind of figure it out for themselves after enough interaction with the man, but why not make it a little easier on the uninformed? It could actually serve to save some people some grief.

Thems the rules. Cross forum bashing is not looked upon favorably here.

Concerns with knives are completely legitimate. Just keep other sites and what happens there out of the conversation.
 
There have been a series of Bark River failures recently to the point where 'Send it in and they will replace it' and it must have been a 'lemon' have become a common theme, usually voiced by the fanboys and those who know better. Yeh!

I will let this video speak for itself - and keep in mind that this is a CUSTOM :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ss8NtqEkw

Excuse me, but how many of your Bark Rivers were "lemons". Were you just spending too much time on youtube and decided to post about a video you saw? Mine are all awesome and will buy more cuz they are awesome. Just sayin'.
 
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These concerns need to be taken to the forum on which the problems occurred.

Sorry to hear about your problems with your Gunny. Contact the dealer and they'll make it right.

Apologies for being rude. He was sharing his attempt to contact the maker with the issue.
 
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These concerns need to be taken to the forum on which the problems occurred.

Sorry to hear about your problems with your Gunny. Contact the dealer and they'll make it right.

No disrespect, your comment leads me to believe you didn’t read my post. The knife was exchanged. No hard feelings, it was long…………

Thems the rules. Cross forum bashing is not looked upon favorably here.

Concerns with knives are completely legitimate. Just keep other sites and what happens there out of the conversation.

Well. I must have missed something along the way. I read the rules to begin with, read them again, cant seem to find what you speak of

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/faq.php?faq=faq_rules

Listen, I didn’t roll on here to start some big pissing contest. I had enough of that over..... Where were not supposed to talk about.....allegedly.

I think my post brings out I am sincere in my experience. The reality is every knife maker will spit out a bad blade from time to time. My other two Bark Rivers have been great. My trouble with Mike Stewart has been through interactions with him and his clan. I really don’t know how to be honest without mentioning that. Some may not value that interaction, I however value customer service above a lot of other things.
 
Well I guess these stories mean I will never buy a BRKT. Maybe these are isolated cases but the way Stewart handles the claims is out of this world. He's worse than RYP.
 
Here's the way I see it. If I had the problems that Rprecision and others have had with BRKT then I would cut my losses and sell the junk off.
There are many , many brands to choose from these days including customs that are equally , if not lower priced ( as far as fixed blades go ) With this terrible economy you can a lot of great bargains if you look. you can buy a knife that will serve you for a lifetime and not run into edges rolling for cutting a piece of one of the softest woods in nature, all without having to bow down to a bullheaded , self appointed king and his delirious minions. Condor puts out some great blades at a fraction of the cost , ESEE , Ontario , Becker , Mora , Fallkniven , I can on and on , but ya get my point :)

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