How public are you with your knives?

[Ramrodmb]

I'm a knife nut too and have the same reaction to people carrying a fixed blade for EDC.

Openly carried fixed blades makes sense to me on a job site, work context, or when hunting or fishing. But other than that, even when hiking or camping, they strike me as an unnecessary and juvenile display - chip on the shoulder as if trolling people to see if they're brave enough to say something about it.

Knives are weapons and everybody knows this. Even knife nuts know this. Especially knife nuts should understand this.

So is my hammer. And carpenter pencil....You come up with the most ridiculous crap.

You cant see why someone would want a fixed blade for camping or hiking? Trolling people? uhhhh yyyeah. SMH

 

[Trevor_Phillips]

Do the statistics say what kind of knife? I don't think I am going out on a limb when I say the most used type of knife in violent crime is a common no name kitchen knife. I suppose we should regulate those.

I was just about to bring that up. I haven't checked the statistics, but I have talked to local cops and most of the knives used by criminals are standard, dime a dozen kitchen knives. And it makes sense. Who's going to spend $75 for a decent folder when you can achieve the same effect with a cheap-o kitchen knife?

 

[pinnah]

The publicly available FBI statistics (that I can find) don't discriminate between different kinds of knives (i.e. kitchen vs hunting vs tactical - anyone care to suggest meaningful classifying criteria?) nor do they say what kind of violent crime (i.e. a mugger stabbing a victim in an alley with a kitchen knife vs a domestic disturbance that escalated to assault with a kitchen knife).

I don't see how any of this particularly relevant though with respect to the legitimacy or efficacy of state and local regulations.

Let's consider the domestic dispute in a home that escalates to assault which is often held up as the most common time a kitchen knife gets used in a crime. There are plenty of blunt objects in the home that could be used as weapons: rolling pins, hammers, baseball bats, and wine bottles. So why is it that knives get used as weapons several times more than blunt objects?

The answer is simple and obvious - Knives are designed for cutting and stabbing and are, by virtue of this design, more effective weapons (in nearly all situations) than blunt objects are. (And handguns, per the stats and by design are more effective than knives). As knife enthusiasts, we all know this already when we consider martial/tactical/self-defense uses of knives. Knives are weapons and some knives are more effective weapons than others, primarily due to blade length.

Let me put it this way.. if you were being attacked and didn't have access to a gun, would you pick up a hammer or a knife? A paring knife or a chef's knife?

Let's be clear... Regulations don't stop violent crimes but they do help limit the lethality of those crimes by reducing (not eliminating, but reducing) the number of the deadlier weapons in circulation.

It's a bit of a fantasy to play off knives as just tools and the fears that people have of knives as being irrational. But IMO, the statistics give average, non-knife people good reason to be wary of knives and particularly suspicious of people who use them outside of a "normal" context is. It's equally rational for states and towns with higher violent crime rates to regulate knives, particularly with respect blade length.

 

[Quiet]

The publicly available FBI statistics (that I can find) don't discriminate between different kinds of knives (i.e. kitchen vs hunting vs tactical - anyone care to suggest meaningful classifying criteria?) nor do they say what kind of violent crime (i.e. a mugger stabbing a victim in an alley with a kitchen knife vs a domestic disturbance that escalated to assault with a kitchen knife).

I don't see how any of this particularly relevant though with respect to the legitimacy or efficacy of state and local regulations.

Let's consider the domestic dispute in a home that escalates to assault which is often held up as the most common time a kitchen knife gets used in a crime. There are plenty of blunt objects in the home that could be used as weapons: rolling pins, hammers, baseball bats, and wine bottles. So why is it that knives get used as weapons several times more than blunt objects?

The answer is simple and obvious - Knives are designed for cutting and stabbing and are, by virtue of this design, more effective weapons (in nearly all situations) than blunt objects are. (And handguns, per the stats and by design are more effective than knives). As knife enthusiasts, we all know this already when we consider martial/tactical/self-defense uses of knives. Knives are weapons and some knives are more effective weapons than others, primarily due to blade length.

Let me put it this way.. if you were being attacked and didn't have access to a gun, would you pick up a hammer or a knife? A paring knife or a chef's knife?

Let's be clear... Regulations don't stop violent crimes but they do help limit the lethality of those crimes by reducing (not eliminating, but reducing) the number of the deadlier weapons in circulation.

It's a bit of a fantasy to play off knives as just tools and the fears that people have of knives as being irrational. But IMO, the statistics give average, non-knife people good reason to be wary of knives and particularly suspicious of people who use them outside of a "normal" context is. It's equally rational for states and towns with higher violent crime rates to regulate knives, particularly with respect blade length.

Which is the problem.

Also, you and people like you are part of the problem. You keep using the term "normal". Who decides what's normal? You? So, anything you disagree with is not "normal"? Says who, you? Who made you the arbiter of what normal means? People from all walks of life use knives for a million different tasks every day. Who are you say which of those tasks are normal or not normal?

That's my issue. Sorry, most people won't ever carry cheap little crap stuff like you carry, and no one is going to regulate us into doing so. Hell, are you even watching the General page? Knife Rights is constantly getting more and more ridiculous knife laws struck down every day.

Good luck attempting to get more absurd regulation passed. They'll just have that struck down too.

 

[trevitrace]

Opinel.

 

[shinyedges]

And micra.

 

[KingMC]

Let me put it this way.. if you were being attacked and didn't have access to a gun, would you pick up a hammer or a knife? A paring knife or a chef's knife?

A hammer, it is a much more effective weapon than a knife.

This isn't prac-tac, though, this thread is asking about how you use your knives in public, not whether the public should have knives.

 

[craytab]

The publicly available FBI statistics (that I can find) don't discriminate between different kinds of knives (i.e. kitchen vs hunting vs tactical - anyone care to suggest meaningful classifying criteria?) nor do they say what kind of violent crime (i.e. a mugger stabbing a victim in an alley with a kitchen knife vs a domestic disturbance that escalated to assault with a kitchen knife).

I don't see how any of this particularly relevant though with respect to the legitimacy or efficacy of state and local regulations.

Let's consider the domestic dispute in a home that escalates to assault which is often held up as the most common time a kitchen knife gets used in a crime. There are plenty of blunt objects in the home that could be used as weapons: rolling pins, hammers, baseball bats, and wine bottles. So why is it that knives get used as weapons several times more than blunt objects?

The answer is simple and obvious - Knives are designed for cutting and stabbing and are, by virtue of this design, more effective weapons (in nearly all situations) than blunt objects are. (And handguns, per the stats and by design are more effective than knives). As knife enthusiasts, we all know this already when we consider martial/tactical/self-defense uses of knives. Knives are weapons and some knives are more effective weapons than others, primarily due to blade length.

Let me put it this way.. if you were being attacked and didn't have access to a gun, would you pick up a hammer or a knife? A paring knife or a chef's knife?

Let's be clear... Regulations don't stop violent crimes but they do help limit the lethality of those crimes by reducing (not eliminating, but reducing) the number of the deadlier weapons in circulation.

It's a bit of a fantasy to play off knives as just tools and the fears that people have of knives as being irrational. But IMO, the statistics give average, non-knife people good reason to be wary of knives and particularly suspicious of people who use them outside of a "normal" context is. It's equally rational for states and towns with higher violent crime rates to regulate knives, particularly with respect blade length.

All this from a guy who doesn't think it is normal for people to have a fixed blade while camping or hiking.

 

[pinnah]

All this from a guy who doesn't think it is normal for people to have a fixed blade while camping or hiking.

Holy thread drift, cray-cray.

Go to any trail head or any camp ground and count the number of folders vs the number of fixed blades. Fixed blades are way in the minority.

 

[Velitrius]

I'm a knife nut too and have the same reaction to people carrying a fixed blade for EDC.

Openly carried fixed blades makes sense to me on a job site, work context, or when hunting or fishing. But other than that, even when hiking or camping, they strike me as an unnecessary and juvenile display - chip on the shoulder as if trolling people to see if they're brave enough to say something about it.

Knives are weapons and everybody knows this. Even knife nuts know this. Especially knife nuts should understand this.

Everybody knows this?

I've carried knives for 50 years. My father, grandfather and great grandfather did so as well before me.

We've owned literally hundreds of knives. Never once was one used as, or even CONSIDERED as, a weapon.

A juvenile, chip-on-the-shoulder display to carry one? Trolling people to test their bravery?

Having trouble deciding whether you are serious and thereby deluded.... or trolling.

 

[KingMC]

Holy thread drift, cray-cray.

Go to any trail head or any camp ground and count the number of folders vs the number of fixed blades. Fixed blades are way in the minority.

Yes, because when you're camping in a campground you don't need a fixed blade. I have seen plenty of people in my camping outings that have had fixed blades, but since I'm a wilderness camper you can't just 'go to a trailhead' to find other campers.

Generalizations are dangerous.

 

[Quiet]

Holy thread drift, cray-cray.

Go to any trail head or any camp ground and count the number of folders vs the number of fixed blades. Fixed blades are way in the minority.

Perhaps in your neck of the woods. Not in mine, nor any of the southern states I've camped and hiked in. Please stop attempting to speak for the entire country, it just makes you look mentally deficient. Thanks.

 

[shinyedges]

Holy thread drift, cray-cray.

Go to any trail head or any camp ground and count the number of folders vs the number of fixed blades. Fixed blades are way in the minority.

Turns out your myopic opinion is the MINORITY and you speak for yourself only. Living a scared fearful life must be a bummer.

Don't pretend to be the voice of logic for the nation. Well, unless you're from England.

 

[iamjethro]

I teach at an elementary school. I only have one rule in my classroom.

Right place, right thing, right time.

We teach it and try to use it to figure out if any action we are about to take follows that guideline. I tell my kids it is a life rule, not a school rule. Follow it and you will never be in trouble.

If everyone would just do what they are supposed to be doing when they are supposed to be doing it, we could all breathe a little easier. And come up with some new thing to argue about (Cos people likes to argue).

 

[craytab]

Holy thread drift, cray-cray.

Go to any trail head or any camp ground and count the number of folders vs the number of fixed blades. Fixed blades are way in the minority.

Thread drift like saying on a knife forum that knives should be more regulated? Or thread draft like saying people who carry fixed blades are trolling?

And when you count knives do you just look for them or do you go up and ask people?

Lastly, you do realize this is a knife forum right. We are usually pro knife around here. Take care. Im done arguing with the ridiculousness about being pro knife on boardrooms..

 

[pinnah]

Everybody knows this?

I've carried knives for 50 years. My father, grandfather and great grandfather did so as well before me.

<yawn> Yah, me too. Only I can add that my 4xgreat and 3xgreat grandfathers were knife makers turn of the century so not only have we all had 100s of knives we have dozens across the family with our family's tang stamp on them.

Having trouble deciding whether you are serious and thereby deluded.... or trolling.

I'm very serious and the thing I find delusional is the insistence that just because knives are tools with legitimate tool uses that they are somehow magically excluded from being also considered a weapon. It's astonishing particularly since so many here are also gun owners and understand that while guns can be used as tools (hunting, sport) they are also always weapons.

I also find slippery slope arguments particularly delusional. A 6" bowie knife is deadlier than a Victorinox Classic and this is so obvious that it's almost impossible for me to understand this needs to be said. Based on this (obvious) observation, I believe that 6" knives should be banned from flights and knives in the class similar to the Vic Classic should allowed. I also believe it's legitimate for local jurisdictions to regulate knives in public places and say that while typing in a public place with a Buck 110 in my hip pocket which is definitely bigger than the local ordinance allows for. I get away with this because I'm pretty vigilant about where and how I use it. My dad and grandfather called it "common courtesy".

Thread drift like saying on a knife forum that knives should be more regulated? Or thread draft like saying people who carry fixed blades are trolling?

I said neither of those things and you know that. I would say that repeated and clumsy use of rhetorical strawman arguments is trolling and I know that you know that we both know that you do it intentionally.

Lastly, you do realize this is a knife forum right. We are usually pro knife around here. Take care. Im done arguing with the ridiculousness about being pro knife on boardrooms..

I'm pro-knife too. The difference is that I see people who flagrantly display their knives in public without regard to the "sheeple" around them make the problem worse.

 

[shinyedges]

<yawn> Yah, me too. Only I can add that my 4xgreat and 3xgreat grandfathers were knife makers turn of the century so not only have we all had 100s of knives we have dozens across the family with our family's tang stamp on them.



I'm very serious and the thing I find delusional is the insistence that just because knives are tools with legitimate tool uses that they are somehow magically excluded from being also considered a weapon. It's astonishing particularly since so many here are also gun owners and understand that while guns can be used as tools (hunting, sport) they are also always weapons.

I also find slippery slope arguments particularly delusional. A 6" bowie knife is deadlier than a Victorinox Classic and this is so obvious that it's almost impossible for me to understand this needs to be said. Based on this (obvious) observation, I believe that 6" knives should be banned from flights and knives in the class similar to the Vic Classic should allowed. I also believe it's legitimate for local jurisdictions to regulate knives in public places and say that while typing in a public place with a Buck 110 in my hip pocket which is definitely bigger than the local ordinance allows for. I get away with this because I'm pretty vigilant about where and how I use it. My dad and grandfather called it "common courtesy".



I said neither of those things and you know that. I would say that repeated and clumsy use of rhetorical strawman arguments is trolling and I know that you know that we both know that you do it intentionally.



I'm pro-knife too. The difference is that I see people who flagrantly display their knives in public without regard to the "sheeple" around them make the problem worse.

The slipper slope argument is delusional? I find people who think the slippery slope argument delusional, delusional.

I remember you made these irrational statements before.

So can you answer me this,

How do you regulate the actions of people who DON'T listen to the laws already? Are you suggesting all fixed blades be outlawed? Lol

Please oh please let me know how you plan on regulating knives. Murder is already illegal and yet people do it anyway.

 

[shinyedges]

Pretending more knife regulations would stop stabbings is utterly ridiculous. The bottom line is this, law abiding citizens who carry a fixed Blades aren't stabbing ANYONE.

Regulating law abiding citizens knives does NOTHING for the person who looks to harm others.

Your argument has zero logic.

 

[craytab]

Regulations on knives make rational sense.

Openly carried fixed blades makes sense to me on a job site, work context, or when hunting or fishing. But other than that, even when hiking or camping, they strike me as an unnecessary and juvenile display - chip on the shoulder as if trolling people to see if they're brave enough to say something about it.

Wasn't going to post again but hey, I don't use straw-man arguments. Who in the world said the above? Now I'm done. Enjoy!

 

[Jens Schuetz]

The slipper slope argument is delusional? I find people who think the slippery slope argument delusional, delusional.

I remember you made these irrational statements before.

So can you answer me this,

How do you regulate the actions of people who DON'T listen to the laws already? Are you suggesting all fixed blades be outlawed? Lol

Please oh please let me know how you plan on regulating knives. Murder is already illegal and yet people do it anyway.

I think when murdering was legal people murdered much more.
If stealing were legal people would do it more.
Same with smoking pot. If its illegal and takes more effort less people will smoke it than if you could buy it anywhere and it's legal status gave it some societal legitimization.
People drive fast even with a speed limit? Yes, but much less than if you'd say drive as fast as you want to.

Also when a person is fully there mentally and decides not to illigally carry their big knife then they can't use it later that day when things turn south. If then they have to stab that parking lot stealing hipster and they use their legal SAK there'll be less injuries and deaths.

Of course enforcement is another thing which greatly influences the success of such regulations.