How public are you with your knives?

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pinnah said:
Let's be clear... Regulations don't stop violent crimes but they do help limit the lethality of those crimes by reducing (not eliminating, but reducing) the number of the deadlier weapons in circulation.

It's a bit of a fantasy to play off knives as just tools and the fears that people have of knives as being irrational. But IMO, the statistics give average, non-knife people good reason to be wary of knives and particularly suspicious of people who use them outside of a "normal" context is. It's equally rational for states and towns with higher violent crime rates to regulate knives, particularly with respect blade length.
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Didn't say that either I guess.
 
Jens Schuetz said:
I think when murdering was legal people murdered much more.
If stealing were legal people would do it more.
Same with smoking pot. If its illegal and takes more effort less people will smoke it than if you could buy it anywhere and it's legal status gave it some societal legitimization.
People drive fast even with a speed limit? Yes, but much less than if you'd say drive as fast as you want to.

Also when a person is fully there mentally and decides not to illigally carry their big knife then they can't use it later that day when things turn south. If then they have to stab that parking lot stealing hipster and they use their legal SAK there'll be less injuries and deaths.

Of course enforcement is another thing which greatly influences the success of such regulations.
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Well thanks for your thoughts, I guess.
 
Jens Schuetz said:
Thanks for yours too. Seeing new points of views is always interesting and often I learn something.
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Ditto, if you want to chat more on the topic send me an email. I don't believe this thread is going anywhere and apparently people are set in there flawed logic.
 
Guys, Pinnah's not going to be happy until it's a 50 state mandate that people are only allowed to carry lame little French carbon steel folders, and micro-sized multitools. It's all you need...because he says so.

And if it's good enough for him, then the Government should mandate that it's good enough for you.
 
shinyedges said:
So can you answer me this,

How do you regulate the actions of people who DON'T listen to the laws already? Are you suggesting all fixed blades be outlawed? Lol

Please oh please let me know how you plan on regulating knives. Murder is already illegal and yet people do it anyway.
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Chris,

You regulate the actions of people who don't listen to the law by making and enforcing the laws that have a measurable effect on the averages while accepting that laws won't stop certain dedicated individuals. Two common examples...

Everybody (I know) occasionally breaks the speed limit. This doesn't mean that speed limits are worthless. A combination of posted speed limits and selective enforcement (can't have the latter without the former) is what controls average speeds on roads, even while we admit that certain individuals will flagrantly disregard the speed limit. Speed limits don't stop unsafe driving but they help control average speeds.

Second example... Hand grenades. You or I could legally own these if we had the right Federal licenses. You almost never hear about them being used in a criminal activity other than the most dedicated criminal terrorists. Federal control of hand grenades hasn't entirely stopped the use of hand grenades and explosive to low numbers but it has, overall as an average, reduced the number of times they get used in crimes.

Regarding fixed blades, I've not advocated for banning them any further than they are. Note, they are already illegal in many context that we both readily accept. Can't take them on commercial flights. Can't take them into a court house. Can't take one in when visiting your mom in jail. (<- joke, please try to laugh)

What I have said is that I find it reasonable for locales with high violent crime rates to have and selectively enforce knife restrictions based primarily on blade length. That's what I've said about regulation.

What I've also said is that I find people who carry fixed blades in public without a working need to be, well, rude. The US no longer has a fixed blade culture and given the state of locking folders, I view people who carry a fixed blade with no work related need for one as going out of their way to cause a stir and beg for a reaction. Note, where legal, I will often have a fixed blade in my pack with me because I dig having a fixed blade. But, I'm not going to walk with it on my belt nor am I going to be pulling it out in public unless I'm in a place where I'm assured it won't upset people. I consider that just being considerate.
 
I think it comes down to preference. I'd really like to be able to carry some of my fixed blades, but it's just too much of a pain in the ass to do where I live. I'm not showy, or have a "chip on my shoulder"
Anyways, that said, I *really* wish I could carry my butterfly knives. They're by far my favorite style of knife. American Knife & Tool Institute (AKTI) has recently overturned outdated switchblade and butterfly knife laws in several states over the last few years. I'm really hoping they get some wins in California. The ban was written in the 1950s when a switchblade/butterfly was insanely faster than the 2 handed jack knives (traditionals) everyone carried at the time. However now with modern mechanisms and things like assisted opening, this is no longer true. In fact, a butterfly knife is slower to open then a standard modern tactical knife lol. If they ever do overturn these laws, I'm sure I'll get a ton of looks flicking open my butterfly knife, but as with all things people will get use to it in time. The fact that it's perhaps "flashier" doesn't make it any more or less lethal/dangerous than any other similar sized knife. I have quite a bit invested in butterfly and switchblade knives that I'd love to carry. Hopefully one day!


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pinnah said:
The publicly available FBI statistics (that I can find) don't discriminate between different kinds of knives (i.e. kitchen vs hunting vs tactical - anyone care to suggest meaningful classifying criteria?) nor do they say what kind of violent crime (i.e. a mugger stabbing a victim in an alley with a kitchen knife vs a domestic disturbance that escalated to assault with a kitchen knife).

I don't see how any of this particularly relevant though with respect to the legitimacy or efficacy of state and local regulations.

Let's consider the domestic dispute in a home that escalates to assault which is often held up as the most common time a kitchen knife gets used in a crime. There are plenty of blunt objects in the home that could be used as weapons: rolling pins, hammers, baseball bats, and wine bottles. So why is it that knives get used as weapons several times more than blunt objects?

The answer is simple and obvious - Knives are designed for cutting and stabbing and are, by virtue of this design, more effective weapons (in nearly all situations) than blunt objects are. (And handguns, per the stats and by design are more effective than knives). As knife enthusiasts, we all know this already when we consider martial/tactical/self-defense uses of knives. Knives are weapons and some knives are more effective weapons than others, primarily due to blade length.

Let me put it this way.. if you were being attacked and didn't have access to a gun, would you pick up a hammer or a knife? A paring knife or a chef's knife?

Let's be clear... Regulations don't stop violent crimes but they do help limit the lethality of those crimes by reducing (not eliminating, but reducing) the number of the deadlier weapons in circulation.

It's a bit of a fantasy to play off knives as just tools and the fears that people have of knives as being irrational. But IMO, the statistics give average, non-knife people good reason to be wary of knives and particularly suspicious of people who use them outside of a "normal" context is. It's equally rational for states and towns with higher violent crime rates to regulate knives, particularly with respect blade length.
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Aren't gun, knife and homicide crime on the rise for the for the first time in ten years (in Wales and England)despite the regulation you are arguing for?
 
This thread just got fun! The mass head explosion combined with the already twisted panties is going to be great to watch! One guy started it all [emoji1]
 
k_ozdragon said:
I think it comes down to preference. I'd really like to be able to carry some of my fixed blades, but it's just too much of a pain in the ass to do where I live. I'm not showy, or have a "chip on my shoulder"
Anyways, that said, I *really* wish I could carry my butterfly knives. They're by far my favorite style of knife. American Knife & Tool Institute (AKTI) has recently overturned outdated switchblade and butterfly knife laws in several states over the last few years. I'm really hoping they get some wins in California. The ban was written in the 1950s when a switchblade/butterfly was insanely faster than the 2 handed jack knives (traditionals) everyone carried at the time. However now with modern mechanisms and things like assisted opening, this is no longer true. In fact, a butterfly knife is slower to open then a standard modern tactical knife lol. If they ever do overturn these laws, I'm sure I'll get a ton of looks flicking open my butterfly knife, but as with all things people will get use to it in time. The fact that it's perhaps "flashier" doesn't make it any more or less lethal/dangerous than any other similar sized knife. I have quite a bit invested in butterfly and switchblade knives that I'd love to carry. Hopefully one day!


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I don't see any value in regulating opening and locking mechanisms at this point.

Blade length makes much more sense to me.
 
pinnah said:
I don't see any value in regulating opening and locking mechanisms at this point.

Blade length makes much more sense to me.
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By what criteria will you come up with the "legal" number of inches? Solely based on what makes you "feel" scared? Banning things on look? Or the distance to the human heart? That ones surprisingly short, I think 3ish inches could reach. Or are you banning things that can hack, but stabby is OK? Is this going to be criminal, or just another civil offence to drum up some cash?
 
Thefinaledge said:
By what criteria will you come up with the "legal" number of inches? Solely based on what makes you "feel" scared? Banning things on look? Or the distance to the human heart? That ones surprisingly short, I think 3ish inches could reach. Or are you banning things that can hack, but stabby is OK? Is this going to be criminal, or just another civil offence to drum up some cash?
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Dude, you can take your common sense questions and leave, mkay?


LOL :thumbup:
 
From what I've read if you banned kitchens and kitchen knives from homes you could drop about half if not more knife crime. Perhaps you could pass a law that required all food and food prep be done and eaten at government regulated and supervised buildings, and all meat be pre cut:)
We could call them jails. And we could send all the people who kill and commit violent knife and gun crime there so the rest of us can own and use things as we see fit.
 
pinnah said:
I don't see any value in regulating opening and locking mechanisms at this point.

Blade length makes much more sense to me.
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This post is so idiotic I had to log in just to reply to it. Regulating blade length doesn't make sense when you have all the information. For example: Did you know that it only takes a blade length of 1/2 of an inch to kill a fully grown man. To put that in perspective, imagine a regular utility straight razor. They're about an inch and a half long. 1/6th of that could kill pretty much any human. Going that short would ruin any utility value of anyone's EDC knife. Criminals who use a knife in an unlawful way go to jail where they no longer have access to said knives. I am a law abiding citizen who personally enjoys his Benchmade automatic(In case you don't know, it's a switchblade) and my 51 Morpho Bali-Song. They would both be horrible weapons and they have blade lengths well above 3 and 3/4 of an inch blades. My 6" buck 119 special is a horrible weapon

Personally in a fight, I'd much rather have my old-school maglite. The same flashlight carried by police. I hold it by the button and I have about a foot and a half of metal to swing at you and block your knife. I don't have a "chip on my shoulder" either. I am just passionate about my hobby
 
shinyedges said:
Pretending more knife regulations would stop stabbings is utterly ridiculous. The bottom line is this, law abiding citizens who carry a fixed Blades aren't stabbing ANYONE.

Regulating law abiding citizens knives does NOTHING for the person who looks to harm others.

Your argument has zero logic.
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Pinnah's particular slant is that by regulating knives (blade length typically) and firearms (mostly military type semi-auto with detachable magazines), it reduces the lethality of any single event. It is a progressive New England and California attitude. Once set on the path, it is very easy to increase the regulations because the politicians didn't see anything change with the new laws, so they broaden them to diminish the availability of an even more comprehensive range of "weapons" hoping it helps from their point of view. Hmm... let's see if this change works, huh? In the meantime, freedom suffers. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!
 
AsianBeerCan said:
Hey everybody,

I was just curious as to how public everyone is with their knives, because to some degree it is looked down upon/scares the sheeple.
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This is from the OP. He asked the question because "to some degree it is looked down upon/scares the sheeple".

I'll submit to you this: It is the fault of the offended/scared/uneducated public that they feel anything less than comfortable around a law abiding American.

You can be offended/scared all you want if you spot my fixed blade. But remember, it is YOU who have CHOSEN to take offense and feel fear.
 
22-rimfire said:
Pinnah's particular slant is that by regulating knives (blade length typically) and firearms (mostly military type semi-auto with detachable magazines), it reduces the lethality of any single event. It is a progressive New England and California attitude. Once set on the path, it is very easy to increase the regulations because the politicians didn't see anything change with the new laws, so they broaden them to diminish the availability of an even more comprehensive range of "weapons" hoping it helps from their point of view. Hmm... let's see if this change works, huh? In the meantime, freedom suffers. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!
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Hey there watch it! One of those New England states recently removed the antiquated knife laws and made concealed (firearm)carry legal without a license. The problem with New England are the implants who move here and try to force there idiotic ideals and beliefs, usually from California.:)
 
Thefinaledge said:
Hey there watch it! One of those New England states recently removed the antiquated knife laws and made concealed carry legal without a license. The problem with New England are the implants who move here and try to force there idiotic ideals and beliefs, usually from California.:)
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Not only that, but here in lovely New Hampshire, I can carry any knife I want, as long as it's not on any property that says otherwise, such as schools, or workplaces (sadly, like my own) that restrict you from carrying a knife.

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You will notice I did not single out any state. I was speaking of the progressive attitude on law and order. The attitude takes personal choice, reason, and circumstance out of the equation. But it only works on honest people, so why bother? That pesky 2nd Amendment just gets in the way sometimes.

Pinnah, picked up a Leatherman Style CS today (pink one). It was half price at Cabela's. Must not be selling. It is along the lines of the Micra.
 
22-rimfire said:
Pinnah's particular slant is that by regulating knives (blade length typically) and firearms (mostly military type semi-auto with detachable magazines), it reduces the lethality of any single event. It is a progressive New England and California attitude. Once set on the path, it is very easy to increase the regulations because the politicians didn't see anything change with the new laws, so they broaden them to diminish the availability of an even more comprehensive range of "weapons" hoping it helps from their point of view. Hmm... let's see if this change works, huh? In the meantime, freedom suffers. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!
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Hammer meet nail. Dead on. Seriously flawed logic.
 
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