How to flip a Hinderer

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Agreed, I had an Adamas that also would open VERY easily. A little two easily actually, partially opened in my pocket and I narrowly avoided a very nasty accident. Contego wasnt as bad as the adamas.

I think I should add, I really liked the 275 adamas, I can be a stickler for blade play and centering and benchmades well... can have issues with both. Mine did actually.

Yes, I know I am a stickler sometimes but I really enjoy this hobby. I love that there is so many options, always easy to move on and try another. Except my zt0620cf with a belly I slowly sharpened on it... keeper for sure.
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The larger and heavier blades tend to do that with Axis locks. Every Adamas and large onslaught I have handled has been openable by a relatively light shake.
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We recently became a Hinderer dealer and have had approximately 25 Hinderer knives come through our shop so far. I have checked every single one and have yet to discover a single week detent. I will say they are not as strong as the detent on most ZT colabs but they are not far off and they certainly are not anything I would worry about coming open in my pocket while running. I kept an XM-18 Skinner out of the first batch as I have always wanted one. I have been amazed by how the knife gets smoother and better over time, but the detent is still just fine. I think I will experiment next time I go jog by clipping it to my shorts. I am betting it does not open once.

As for Rob Orlando. There are some here who do not seem to be fans of him. Personally I have talked to him on the phone over 20 times and emailed him about the same number of times. The guy is super nice, super friendly and as professional as they come. He is honest about their policies and how they do things, and I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that.

To the OP, thank you for the video. I tried your technique and noticed it did fire a little harder. Truth is I have never thought about how to flip mine because it has never been an issue. Still a cool video with some extra knowledge to pass along!
 
Based on just the XM18 SP I bought new, no problem flipping open here. I also doubt I'm as anal about the flipping action of every knife that makes it to my edc rotation. My XM does not open by inertia for the record.
 
Wow didn't even realize the RHK forum was taken down. Didn't visit there much since I'm not a fan of stifling all forms of criticism, even if constructive. And yes, was an awkward place in general. What's up with the outsourced blades? Haven't heard about that one.

I think I've handled 5 different RHK knives, and they flip decently with the right technique only and can be flipped vertically if the pivot is tuned well. First one I held was in my local shop and was unimpressed by the flipping action, but didn't understand you needed a special technique to flip. I'm down to one XM now that I'm betting will eventually be sold off as well. The chase to get her was fun, but the mystique has kinda worn off by now.

The only thing I can say about Rob is that he was always extremely fast to respond to my emails, like usually within half an hour. They always shipped fast too.
 
I just saw a hinderer xm-18 wharncliffe for the first time yesterday. I'm hard on my knives and I don't typically look into knives in this price range. After watching a few reviews I decided I wanted to try and find one for sale which is how I ended up in this thread. I'm pretty shocked to hear that there's a possibility of these knives opening in a pocket. Is this something that has happened to anyone or is it just a concern? I saw that comeuppance mentioned that there is a similar knife being produced by zt. Any guesses as to whether the zt version would have a stronger detent to prevent the blade from opening in pocket?

It figures, I decide to buy myself something that seems nice and I find out there's a major deal breaker involved. I don't want to derail but if there is a similar offering from a different company without the concern of the blade opening unexpectedly, I would love to hear about it.
 
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Flip a Hinderer?

It's easy. You buy the Hinderer. Preferably through a lotto at a show. Then immediately list it for much more than you paid for it. This only works if you got a deal originally. If you have already paid flipper prices for the knife, flipping it becomes much harder. You may have to craft a back story. Make sure you write something about how rare it is..... like something about unicorn horn scales.....
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That's actually what I thought OP meant when I first loaded this thread. It seemed a much more likely thing to do.
 
Many flippers have their own unique "technique" to open. My Zt 0452 and Microtech Doc require a light switch pull, they laugh at push button. My Hinderer Eklipse and Zt 0392, just look at them and the blade flies open, any technique works on those babies. My recent Hinderer's flip exceptionally well. Newer models definitely have stronger detents, from my experience.

That's not the case with my older gen 4 Xm-18. Even with tuning it, flipping action is poor. RHK won't work on these detents as their warranty states. I see why too, if they would adjust older models with the current detent strength, they would have to hire more people for that sole purpose. Could you imagine how many people would sent their Xm's in for service? I might "adjust" the detent myself. On older models, I wish they would have offered two detent variations, one for first responders and one that actually flipped.
 
Wow, all this over a detent. It seems pretty obvious, whether or not someone agrees with a weaker detent, that is how Hinderer knives are designed. Not really a hard concept to comprehend. People have different opinions on how they like there knives to function[emoji33] . Didn't know this before buying a $400+ knife? Sorry about that.
 
shinyedges said:
Being active duty who ets'd in 2012, I can honestly say I never met a soldier with a hinderer... many guys carry pocket knives but I can't say that any of the ones I know prefer a knife that has a blade that will come open from running, jarring, being knocked, hitting the ground hard etc..

I personally think rob is full of crap and that they sell FAR more knives to civilians than military. That's my opinion.

This whole military depending on folders is silly anyway, a folder is SO low down on gear load out its silly. Fixed blades, rifles, pistols, axes and multi-tools are a few more commonly used items. Some units get issued a folder but not a hinderer. Meh

He'll I was issued a Gerber mp600 right before deployment, I still have the damn thing.
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If I count all my friends, family, and acquaintances over the years that are Military, LEO, Fire, EMT... they may run in the hundreds and no one owns a Hinderer and the two that even knows what a Hinderer is don't own one and wouldn't carry five hundred dollar knives to work.

Regular Joe's have to count for a significant portion of their customer base... The guys that generate the hype to put money in their pockets, yet they treat them as second class citizens as if they aren't good enough for their business. RHK sells us anodized screws and clips though to doll up your hardcore war knife no problem. That just doesn't sit well with me and while I used to think they were good looking folders a few years ago, I'm not going to force my money down their throats. The supply issue is suspect: There are dozens of even smaller operations than RHK and while its hard to get in their books, they are willing to sell their knives to anyone. There are too many other options out there and the bubble has burst on the tired XM platform. Gone are the days of a select few scoring rare versions like Whancliffes and posting it on the exchange for $1000 the next day.
 
A Hinderer is what it is designed to be just like a Sebenza (or any other well-made knife) is what it is designed to be. I have two Hinderer knives ... a XM24 slicer flipper and an Eklipse. The XM-24 flips with ease but the Eklipse less so. The heavier the blade the easier it flips it seems ... I suspect a closed heavy blade acts like a detent of sorts. Hinderer designs and makes his knives with a particular user in mind. For those users the knives work as intended. People outside of the intended (designed for) market buying Hinderers to have a cool knife should not complain when the flipping action and detent are "weak" as the knives were not designed for them. There are thousands of good flippers out there for those that want that as a priority.

I often say to people that my Hinderers will never be my first choice every day carry (office, leisure, etc) but when I suspect/know I need a serious edged tool that can handle tough tasks it most definitely will be my first choice folder. It is a tough job tool. It's not a cool tool.
 
So if Hinderers are built and intended for duty use and nothing else.... Why are they so willing to stock fancy beads, colorful screws, anodized clips etc to the public? Surely duty personel dont embellish their knives like Liberace would. Not intended for civilians but they'll sell these suckers parts like dressing up a Ken doll.
 
Maybe to make money and keep the doors open like any other company does? Who cares, it's a knife brand you don't want to buy their stuff don't. I can't see picking them apart over everything you can. You could do that with any brand. Nothing is perfect in this world. Nothing suits everyone, hence many choices. Hinderer pretty well stated that themselves.
 
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So if Hinderers are built and intended for duty use and nothing else.... Why are they so willing to stock fancy beads, colorful screws, anodized clips etc to the public? Surely duty personel dont embellish their knives like Liberace would. Not intended for civilians but they'll sell these suckers parts like dressing up a Ken doll.
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Because owners want/demand that and it's not for Rick and his team to decide they can't/shouldn't have it. Duty personnel that are into knives like customisation as much as anyone else. We all like to have a unique knife.

The customisation stuff Rick makes are tasteful and not the over the top bling-bling implied by your comment.
 
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Wow didn't even realize the RHK forum was taken down. Didn't visit there much since I'm not a fan of stifling all forms of criticism, even if constructive. And yes, was an awkward place in general. What's up with the outsourced blades? Haven't heard about that one.

I think I've handled 5 different RHK knives, and they flip decently with the right technique only and can be flipped vertically if the pivot is tuned well. First one I held was in my local shop and was unimpressed by the flipping action, but didn't understand you needed a special technique to flip. I'm down to one XM now that I'm betting will eventually be sold off as well. The chase to get her was fun, but the mystique has kinda worn off by now
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All the flat ground blades were done by a third party. He just puts handles on them and sharpens them.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1328574-Hinderer-grinding

It's not a big deal but they're certainly not custom or midtech knives. They're simply production knives no different than high dollar spyderco knives made by a third party factory. If people like the way the blades are made, hardened, and finished then the props should go to the factory making the soul of the knife, like the Taichung, Taiwan factory that makes spyderco knives for them based on their designs.
 
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Nellem said:
Because owners want/demand that and it's not for Rick and his team to decide they can't/shouldn't have it. Duty personnel that are into knives like customisation as much as anyone else. We all like to have a unique knife.

The customisation stuff Rick makes are tasteful and not the over the top bling-bling implied by your comment.
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Oh man, the most whimsical looking dressed up modded folders out their that I've seen have been Hinderers by faaar. And here's the kicker: They actually sell alot of this embellishments themselves unlike other modded knives from other brands that are typically custom made by a modder.

Like I said in a post above, I must know first responders up to the hundreds in my lifetime and for one, NONE of them have Hinderers and NONE have dressed up knives with skulls, lanyard beads, take the time to install green anodized screws and custom flamed filler tabs LMAO. The first responders I know are serious people, you know, they deal with life and death situations everyday... Looking like Liberace is the last thing on their minds.

Owners want it/demand it...Which owners... I thought that Rick and Rob insists that XM's are strictly for duty and everything aspect of it is FOR duty. What the hell does skulls hanging off the side and titanium flames coming out of it do...Does it make you a better first responder? Yeah ok. It's a gimmick. My real point wasn't aimed at first responders anyway..It's the fact that they won't sell their knives to regular Joe's..BUT GLADLY sell us everything else..Because it's not for Rick and his team to decide who should have it you say? How about their knives....
 
The fancy bead, standoff, clip thing doesn't mean much to me. Emerson knives (Love my Iron Dragon) does the same thing. They offer many after market jewelry for their blades.

While perceived detent pressure is an individual thing, I find it weird that a knife (Xm-18) that's so well machined has detents that are all over the map. In their defense, my Zt 0562 has a relatively weak detent but Ive been seeing some people complaining about how strong the detents are on newer models. Maybe this is the how things are in the world of production flippers.
 
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Emerson sells knives to everyone. My point exactly.

Im not against mods at all. Why would I be. It is the ironies with Hinderer I'm talking about.
 
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DJC72 said:
The fancy bead, standoff, clip thing doesn't mean much to me. Emerson knives (Love my Iron Dragon) does the same thing. They offer many after market jewelry for their blades.

While perceived detent pressure is an individual thing, I find it weird that a knife that's so well machined has detents that are all over the map. In their defense, my Zt 0562 has a relatively weak detent but Ive been seeing some people complaining about how strong the detents are on newer models. Maybe this is the how things are in the world of production flippers.
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They say the detents have been the same for all generations. So that must mean all of our preferences are different regarding detent strength. For me I'd rather have a safe knife than one that is made to open on its own at the most inopportune times. That's why there are other knives from other companies that suit me better. And I figured out that fixed blades serve most of my needs better anyway, so that takes getting a "hard use" folder out of the equation leaving me looking and admiring regular folding knives again.
 
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