Huge Shipping Issue (What To Do)?

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knifehunt said:
That is ridiculous...... Insurance should be used weather discussed or not, it's common sense. If the postal service damaged an item during shipping and you did not insure it then you're out of luck, and that's on you. Same concept.
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Ridiculous or not, there is no real way to force people to do it. That is why it's strongly recommended, but ultimately it's left to the adults doing the deal. We cannot be intervening on every transaction that happens. The overall expectation is that the parties involved in any transaction must be clear on what they will do, that is common sense. We also expect that if a person is going to trade an item, yes they should be 100% sure they want to trade the item. In a sale situation, they should verify that they can financially afford the item before committing to buy, or be sure they want to sell the item to begin with; again more common sense.

The rules are in place as a guide to help folks conduct things in a fair and honest way. A lot of thought was put into them and were written in such a way as to not be encroaching, but helpful to those active in buying, selling, and trading. Knifehunt, check with the post office, give them the tracking number and let them know the item was not delivered to your mailbox. At this point, that is the best course of action I can offer you.
 
Listen I send out knives worth thousands of dollars not hundreds for leather and pics and I do not insure them

If you did not request insurance than you should not expect it

The more you go on the more you look suspect

You found a way out on not keeping your word and you are running it

I've been around here for years and know how things work

Many knives bought on the exchange are not insured

Most are not even declared to the shipper as what they are

You started a thread and you do not like the answers you are receiving

I have a suggestion you should start a poll and do what the verdict comes out to be

If that is Ridiculous you should have never asked the other members opinions

Hopefully the knife shows up tomorrow and this will all be a mute point but at this point........
 
knifehunt. If i could offer a piece of friendly advice, you might want to take a step back and look at the situation from the other person's point of view, or take some time to cool down before you post any more about this. Your responses to a lot of these peoples posts make you seem intractable, self centered and not easy(or fun) to deal with at best and someone who may be dishonest at worst(im not saying you are dishonest im just saying that some people might assume this given that that the post office said the package was delivered and its basically your word against the post offices) All im really tryng to say is you are not making yourself a lot of friends the way you are handling this unfortunate situation
 
knifehunt said:
That is ridiculous...... Insurance should be used weather discussed or not, it's common sense. If the postal service damaged an item during shipping and you did not insure it then you're out of luck, and that's on you. Same concept.
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I think its quite common sense not to back out of a deal when items are supposed to be shipped...
 
Rules For The Exchange & Discussion Forums - (All Rules Apply Site-Wide) UPDATED 6/12/12

Traders/Trading -

1. Be honest and provide an accurate and detailed description of the item. Forgetting to mention defects, blemishes, or other problems is not acceptable. When in doubt, be pessimistic with your descriptions.

2. Provide as many photos as possible, in the best lighting possible. It's always nice to see what you are about to trade for.

3. If you choose not to use insurance to save money, any repercussions will fall on you (Shipper). Insurance is there to protect you, use it.

4. Package and ship your items in such a way that they are safe to handle, will not arrived damaged, and will reach their final destination intact.

5. Do NOT post cash value equivalents in your trade threads.

6. Communication is key, honor your word. If you say you will do something, then do it.
 
Rhesus Feces said:
Rules For The Exchange & Discussion Forums - (All Rules Apply Site-Wide) UPDATED 6/12/12

Traders/Trading -

1. Be honest and provide an accurate and detailed description of the item. Forgetting to mention defects, blemishes, or other problems is not acceptable. When in doubt, be pessimistic with your descriptions.

2. Provide as many photos as possible, in the best lighting possible. It's always nice to see what you are about to trade for.

3. If you choose not to use insurance to save money, any repercussions will fall on you (Shipper). Insurance is there to protect you, use it.

4. Package and ship your items in such a way that they are safe to handle, will not arrived damaged, and will reach their final destination intact.

5. Do NOT post cash value equivalents in your trade threads.

6. Communication is key, honor your word. If you say you will do something, then do it.
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Judging by this, both parties are at fault, and the value should be split.
 
I wont comment on this trade but I will say that Knifehunt had me make a sheath for a knife he had and I didnt. I made it from dimensions instead of using the actual knife. When he received the sheath it did not fit properly. I made him a new sheath and shipped it to him for no charge. He refused accept the replacement sheath for free and payed me for both of them. I would say that says a lot about his ethics.
 
Rhesus Feces said:
Rules For The Exchange & Discussion Forums - (All Rules Apply Site-Wide) UPDATED 6/12/12

Traders/Trading -



3. If you choose not to use insurance to save money, any repercussions will fall on you (Shipper). Insurance is there to protect you, use it.

6. Communication is key, honor your word. If you say you will do something, then do it.
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Insurance wasn't used, but the item was scanned delivered, good enough for all other merchants to not have responsibility.
 
Knifehunt,

You started this thread and asked people what they think. Now their telling you.

If I where the other party I'd be thinking I was just scammed. I'd also see your post as preemptive before I started one about you for not following threw with your end of the deal. Why didn't you inform the other party of your intent to start this thread and try and work it out first? My read is you were hoping people would side with your theory that because he didn't insure the package you bear no responsibility here before you contacted him? It doesn't reflect well on you regardless of your intent.

Yes, you can change you mind. But it's also very clear in the rules and common sense too that you should not offer a trade unless you are absolutely certain you want to trade in the first place. Once you made a deal your were obligated to follow threw.

Ultimately it will be up to you on how you handle this. Keep in mind if the responses so far are any indication of how you will be perceived by other members here on BF then you may want to give very careful consideration on how you proceed.

It's not my business or place to tell you what to do, But you did ask so here's my .2 cents, If the knife doesn't show up or can't be found then you should either send your end of the trade as you should have in the first place, or talk to the other party and see how he wants to proceed and be open to what he suggests. That's what I would do.

I sincerely hope the knife shows up tomorrow and all this is a moot point. I've seen many times that package showed "delivered" because the carrier or mailman held it after he scanned it because he couldn't deliver it that day and I got it the next day. I really hope this is the case.

I really hope this works out for the best. For you and the other party.
 
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MEJ said:
He is a piece of garbage? He would be "a piece of garbage" had he ignored the other trader, and stopped all contact. Instead he comes on the forum to ask peoples opinions on what he should do. To me this says a lot more for his character than someone like you who simply insults somone with no understanding of exactly what transpired.
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I can read and I do understand he is scamming another member.
 
"Ya I'll trade, send your knife"

Once you knew he was sending you backed out.

Insured or not you screwed him over. Enjoy all you have coming THIEF!
 
I've never heard of a DC tagged package being scanned delivered unless the package leaves the post offices care, into the addressee's hands or their mailbox.
 
As has been pointed out already, the PO has indicated that the package was DELIVERED. Insurance is not the issue at this point. The PO will surely investigate the matter if called upon to do so. Postal insurance coverage ends once a package is DELIVERED. The biggest issues are 1. You, KH, DID NOT honor your deal in the first place. And 2. You seem to refuse to accept the consensus of the membership here which is that you are responsible, at this point in time, for the full value of the knife. ... Since YOU ASKED.
 
knifehunt said:
I had every right to rethink, and change my mind period. I find it hard to believe that anyone would think I should be out, and not him even though he did not insure the package.

I'll bet none of you ever changed your minds before...
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You sought out the trade, engaged the individual looking to trade, offered a trade, agreed to the trade, let him ship his part and then attempt to back out and now there are issues with the shipping. If you didn't want to trade you could have not sought out the trade, not sent a trade inquiry, offered to trade or agreed to the trade...

There was plenty of time to change your mind... BEFORE you agreed to the trade and let the other party ship the knife. The right thing to do is not necessary the action that will benefit you. I agree to the thought that you need to cool off and try to think about this objectively. You seem fixated on insurance when it appears that even if ensured according to the circumstances it wouldn't offer any coverage.

There is risk assumed when you enter into these agreements that both parties have to shoulder. That is common sense, In your position especially it is unreasonable for you to think you should be immune from that risk.
 
Psyop said:
I wont comment on this trade but I will say that Knifehunt had me make a sheath for a knife he had and I didnt. I made it from dimensions instead of using the actual knife. When he received the sheath it did not fit properly. I made him a new sheath and shipped it to him for no charge. He refused accept the replacement sheath for free and payed me for both of them. I would say that says a lot about his ethics.
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
 
I offered to Paypal the other party $400.00 if the knife does not show up tomorrow. If he refuses that then I will do no more. That is more than the value of a slightly used Large Sebenza 21.
 
According to a conversation I had with USPS the mail person ultimately decides what "delivered" is.

Myker your post are little to nothing more than insults. Enough.
 
USPS? There is a good chance it actually hadn't been delivered or it was delivered to the wrong place. If you came back Monday and said "it actually showed up today" I wouldn't be surprised.
 
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