I sold a knife with pictures in the thread of lockup and buyer wants a refund.

[craytab]

I agree craytab, no completed deal, then no feedback. This thread will be plenty if anyone ever cares to search.

Agreed. This thread will be enough to dissuade many experienced members from dealing with this person again.

Everything is a risk when you buy used stuff from private individuals. Further if you are so sensitive to a perceived 12% lock bar travel difference, so much so that you must hold it in your hand to decided if you wanted it (that is called tire kicking) you should not be buying used. You need to be dealing with a dealer so when you get something and don't like it, even if it is within acceptable specs to everyone else, you can return it. Looking at the pictures, both look fine and I don't think paypal would have refunded over a 12% difference in lock bar travel.

I have gotten knives that were a little worse for where off the exchange. I knew I was taking a risk on some of them. And like a grown up I accept the risk, sucked it up and either kept the knife (using the hell out of it) or taking a bit of a hit and reselling.

 

[Greek_God]

The condition of the knife is not questionable. It is brand new.

I said send it into Microtech since you are so disatisfied with the lockup as an alternative to sending it to me. I provided pictures in my thread which should accurately show how the lock up was when I had the knife. . I would like to settle this with Paypal and have them decide.

The knife was in absolute perfect condition. And the lock up was not questionable.

I would like to point out Demetri is the person driving this thread not me.

I am not tire kicking. I sent $2100 to someone. I would not risk that just to handle a knife.
============ This has not happened before ============
I see suggestion and innuendo associating this transaction with other problems. I apologize for everybody Else's problems but this transaction is not related.

The knife is being returned with a USPS money order for $40.30 to cover Demetri's costs. I expect a $2100 refund to my pay pal account.

The condition of the knife is questionable, even Demetri suggests it should be sent to Microtech for repair. He did not share that opinion with me before I sent the money.

thx
jenna

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

Agreed. This thread will be enough to dissuade many experienced members from dealing with this person again.
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It's the first time she's done it, not a pattern. She's also made it clear she's paying the original shipping, too. Not saying she's in the right, or not being overly picky, but this won't cause me to automatically reject her.

 

[craytab]

It's the first time she's done it, not a pattern. She's also made it clear she's paying the original shipping, too. Not saying she's in the right, or not being overly picky, but this won't cause me to automatically reject her.

You are much more kind than me

Sorry, but worrying about 12% difference in lock bar travel is a red flag. Ditching the responsibility of the knife back on the seller is another red flag. When I was new I would have never considered getting in a mess like this. We take enough of a risk selling and buying used stuff with strangers over the internet. No need to have redflags with a picky buyer who has demonstrated to be unreasonable with expectations and needs to "hold the knife in hand" to determine if it will be kept. YMMV of course.

 

[Greek_God]

Let me just make one thing clear.

The reason why I am being so "intense" in this thread is bacause the buyer is making decisions without my approval or even settling this.

I have only received two PM's regarding the return. The first mentioning that the lock is "too far gone" and after trying to acquire more information a second PM saying she is shipping today without even asking for my thoughts.

Again I am not a dealer nor the maker of the knife. It was perfect condition and still sounds as it is in good condition.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

You are much more kind than me

Sorry, but worrying about 12% difference in lock bar travel is a red flag. Ditching the responsibility of the knife back on the seller is another red flag. When I was new I would have never considered getting in a mess like this. We take enough of a risk selling and buying used stuff with strangers over the internet. No need to have redflags with a picky buyer who has demonstrated to be unreasonable with expectations and needs to "hold the knife in hand" to determine if it will be kept. YMMV of course.

You have a point, for sure. As I said, " Not saying she's in the right, or not being overly picky". I'd be cautious, for sure. Just not automatic in this case.

 

[9Nine]

You sent the knife back already without consulting him? That's a bold and stupid move, considering that if he disputes this with PayPal and wins, he keeps the money and the knife will be in his possession again as well. I'm not saying he would keep the knife, but he definitely could. Ya (quite possibly) dun goofed.

 

[Greek_God]

If that does happen she could be in peace. Because I am not the type of person that would keep it. The knife is hers until Paypal will decide.

You sent the knife back already without consulting him? That's a bold and stupid move, considering that if he disputes this with PayPal and wins, he keeps the money and the knife will be in his possession again as well. I'm not saying he would keep the knife, but he definitely could. Ya (quite possibly) dun goofed.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

Let me just make one thing clear.

The reason why I am being so "intense" in this thread is bacause the buyer is making decision without my approval or even settling this.

I have only received two PM's regarding the return. The first mentioning that the lock is "too far gone" and after trying to acquire more information a second PM saying she is shipping today without even asking for my thoughts.

Again I am not a dealer nor the maker of the knife. It was perfect condition and still sounds as it is in good condition.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and suggest you take the knife back and give a refund. Assuming you get it in the condition you sent it, that is. She's not happy with it, and she's paying your shipping. You won't lose any money, it's just a matter of kicking her payment back. You do still have the money, don't you? Yes, it looks like she's being too picky, but you can relist the knife and be shut of this whole mess, and you'd never have to deal with her again. This thread will also serve to caution others about her. And paypal deciding in your favor might not be the end of it of she funded pp with her credit card.

Just my $.02 worth.

 

[craytab]

Let me just make one thing clear.

The reason why I am being so "intense" in this thread is bacause the buyer is making decision without my approval or even settling this.

I have only received two PM's regarding the return. The first mentioning that the lock is "too far gone" and after trying to acquire more information a second PM saying she is shipping today without even asking for my thoughts.

Again I am not a dealer nor the maker of the knife. It was perfect condition and still sounds as it is in good condition.

And this is another red flag. In all these problems we have seen lately, communication as been a big factor.

You sent the knife back already without consulting him? That's a bold and stupid move, considering that if he disputes this with PayPal and wins, he keeps the money and the knife will be in his possession again as well. I'm not saying he would keep the knife, but he definitely could. Ya (quite possibly) dun goofed.

Slow down there. She can no doubt prove that she is sending the knife back.

 

[endgamer]

she even said its better to hold in hand then in pics.also you are saying you sent 2100$ that means you were a serious buyer.not.paypal had youre back and you new it .if he didnt want to refund you all you neede to do was is call paypal and dispute youre money was never in at risk.you should have asked to handle it first.just be honest and tell the truth .you wanted to handle the knige the 2100$ was a deposit and if you didnt like it he could keep 2% of the deposit and shipping cost.instead you didnt ask him and blamed the lock wich to me is perfect and 100% if you dont agree you dont no much a fell for all this early lockup crap.youre sneeky and dishonest deserve neg feedback and good luck buying trading and selling.I have no doubt it was youre objective to try the knife before committing and didnt tell seller nowing you were protected eather way.this is not how adults conduct ourselves only scammers and manipulaters.

 

[9Nine]

If that does happen she could be in peace. Because I am not the type of person that would keep it. The knife is hers until Paypal will decide.

Well good on you for being a person of character. Lots of folks wouldn't.

 

[craytab]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and suggest you take the knife back and give a refund. Assuming you get it in the condition you sent it, that is. She's not happy with it, and she's paying your shipping. You won't lose any money, it's just a matter of kicking her payment back. You do still have the money, don't you? Yes, it looks like she's being too picky, but you can relist the knife and be shut of this whole mess, and you'd never have to deal with her again. This thread will also serve to caution others about her.

Just my $.02 worth.

I agree. Just take it back and be done. It sucks but the stand up individuals usually get the short end in these situations. Still better to be stand up with good rep than the alternative.

 

[slorenzo]

Personally I would inspect the knife, if it is returned in the same condition I would just refund the money. I agree its a frustrating situation to be in. I think the buyer is trying to justify buyers remorse, but having to deal with paypal will take up additional time. The situation would also continue to be discussed in this thread, which would take up even more of your time. Good luck, hope it all works out.

 

[AVigil]

What does he do when he gets the knife back and sees that the lock up has actually been increased by the purchaser?

What does he do then?

 

[Greek_God]

We must also take into consideration the value of the knife. When the buyer purchased from me they were selling on here for $2100-$2250. I sold mine for $2100 as buyer stated. The value since then has dropped a bit due to the market. What if the buyer is trying to return it just to get a cheaper one?

This is why I will be fighting this and will submit a dispute shortly.

 

[Czechmate]

Accept return.

Once received, make sure everything is in the same condition as it left you.

Issue a FULL REFUND.

DO NOT leave iTrader Feedback.

Decide to transact or not, with said person in the future.

I don't believe it's fair to expect the seller to refund 100% in this situation; especially if he paid the $40.00 for priority shipping as mentioned above.

 

[GuestWho101]

I must be missing something. Would not a full refund include refund of the shipping costs paid by the seller? In that case, the innocent seller is out the shipping costs he paid to get the knife to the remorseful buyer,

The "shipping" should have been included in the initial sell price. So the OP wouldn't be out of anything but his time.

Lots of entitlement-minded buyers here feel they should be able to lookee-loo at others expense.

"The deal isn't consummated until both parties are satisfied" LOL

What rot

Please don't say things that aren't true.

I can only speak for myself, but you asked me a question and I answered. This is coming from a person who has been in a similar situation as the OP. Trust me, dealing with a deranged buyer and paypal isn't as fun as some would make it sound.

Not that this is the case with the buyer (JennaLee).....

It's the first time she's done it, not a pattern. She's also made it clear she's paying the original shipping, too. Not saying she's in the right, or not being overly picky, but this won't cause me to automatically reject her.

Exactly.

 

[Greek_God]

Buyer filed a dispute claiming the knife was internally damaged. I have escalated it to a claim.

 

[Mustico]

Technically speaking -according to forum rules- i don't think you are required to refund the buyer. That said, contact a moderator and do not refund the buyer until you are 100% sure that everything about the knife is exactly as it was the day you boxed it up.

-Edit-

I should have checked the last page before i posted. I hope everything works out.