No idea. i happened to look at for sale threads and see sellers now seling them for $1600-$1700. Simple supply and demand. More became available to consumers lowering the secondary price. That is my reasoning and thoughts on it.
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I sold a knife with pictures in the thread of lockup and buyer wants a refund.
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Ridiculously cool knife btw.
It seems fishy to return it, the lockup is not late, BUT since everyone is being made whole, I don't think you can ding anyone for a return. The ironclad rule is no deal is done until both parties are happy right.
It seems fishy to return it, the lockup is not late, BUT since everyone is being made whole, I don't think you can ding anyone for a return. The ironclad rule is no deal is done until both parties are happy right.
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Well, another person to add to the ignore list. BS reason for return. Now lying to PP. Not even confirming with seller about the return.
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I hope that knife actually makes it back to you
This is a very strange dilemma.
Please get in contact with the manufacture and have them give you a statement if the lock up she is claiming is within factory standards and normal. You can use this in your claim.
This is a very strange dilemma.
Please get in contact with the manufacture and have them give you a statement if the lock up she is claiming is within factory standards and normal. You can use this in your claim.
she is a snake in the grass and should be shunned.she scammed her way to get a test run with the knife without permission.you cant do this and now making a claim that its defective.wtf common jlee what do you have to say for youreself youre silce is defining.this is a great way to make friends here just do whatever you like cause it only benefits you.my 8 year oldconducts herself with better manners and asks permission for a favour dpesnt just expect it.
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I would agree if the knife were a sub $100 user. I would be extremely reluctant if the knife were a $2100 custom. The usual and customary reason one sells a knife is because he has a need for the cash. The larger the sum the bigger the headache and if headaches can be avoided by passing up on certain buyers then thats the appropriate course for me.
I had to sell most of my stuff to fund medical expenses. When I sold a knife or a gun I was on pins and needles waiting for the buyer to give a thumb's up because I desperately needed to allocate those funds. Why would I take a chance on a "known" tire-kicker?
This stinks because at the end of the day we all do this for fun ... Right ? But sometimes it comes down to the reality and at the end of the day it is a transaction . The right thing to do would be for the buyer to suck it up and either keep it or sell it ..... It doesn't need to go back because it is not broken, If it was grossly misrepresented that is a entirely different story .. It was not . It was a legit transaction with adequate photos to make a educated decision based on the knowledge of knives she seems to have. Heck I didn't even know all the formulas people seem to have.
Ok... so now this is no longer trading amongst friends and we have determined it was a private sale. Seller makes the rules. Seller doesn't want to give a refund because he feels like he is being played. And so do I . She sent the knife back without making sure it was even OK . Try sending a knife back to a dealer without a RA number and watch a deal go south quick. OP draw the line and make the people who do this nonsense think twice before they commit. I suggest if you are in the mind set that you think you can play the a deal is not a deal unless everyone's happy just do the rest of us a favor and stick to dealer sales only.
Ok... so now this is no longer trading amongst friends and we have determined it was a private sale. Seller makes the rules. Seller doesn't want to give a refund because he feels like he is being played. And so do I . She sent the knife back without making sure it was even OK . Try sending a knife back to a dealer without a RA number and watch a deal go south quick. OP draw the line and make the people who do this nonsense think twice before they commit. I suggest if you are in the mind set that you think you can play the a deal is not a deal unless everyone's happy just do the rest of us a favor and stick to dealer sales only.
Greek_God, ^This is really solid advice. I am sure you are doing your best and it is once again great to see you sticking this out (I wouldn't have had the guts for it) but please do everything you can! Gather this sort of evidence from the manufacturer. Point out this thread and the almost 100% solidarity we have with you on the knifes condition. Even quote from other manufacturers like the point I made about how CRK does lock up. God knows paypal makes a killing on all the fees collected from the CRK sales here and elsewhere. Imagine if every buyer complained like this one about CRK lock up.
Yup, that was my thinking as well. Far too many red flags and now look where we are. Can't risk doing transactions with someone like this.
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I have fear with a $200.00 sale and a potentially bad buyer. I can't imagine what you are feeling. Good luck OP PayPal is not a seller's friend.
Thanks guys,
I have indeed contacted Microtech to ask about the average lock up on the sigils. Getting quotes from Reeve about lock up is also a good play.
I may do that as well.
This was a lesson. Next time I must make sure a buyer is 100% sure they want a knife and warn them I will not take a return unless the knife was defective.
Hope this works out and will update once there is progress.
I have indeed contacted Microtech to ask about the average lock up on the sigils. Getting quotes from Reeve about lock up is also a good play.
I may do that as well.
This was a lesson. Next time I must make sure a buyer is 100% sure they want a knife and warn them I will not take a return unless the knife was defective.
Hope this works out and will update once there is progress.
Buyers Remorse sucks for sellers, and I am still in the camp that believes the easiest way to deal with these kinds of things is to just take the knife back and issue a refund minus any expenses such as shipping, once the knife has been returned, and is in the same condition it left in.
What sucks worse is the buyer with 'remorse' showing up in this thread to piece together a completely ridiculous story about lock up %, detent balls, and some really exact numbers to prove a point that doesn't make any sense in the first place......
I would be shocked to see PP take the OP's side on this one, I mean it's not really their strong suit to try to understand what happened here. Their default safe mode is to side with the buyer.
Regardless, keep us posted on the outcome.
As for the buyer, I would say they have a 42% chance of buying anything again on this forum, but the longer this thread keeps going, and the more people that read it, that percentage will start to drop closer to 30%
With the detent ball fully engaged, it might settle in at closer to 18%, but this kind of math is always tricky....
What sucks worse is the buyer with 'remorse' showing up in this thread to piece together a completely ridiculous story about lock up %, detent balls, and some really exact numbers to prove a point that doesn't make any sense in the first place......
I would be shocked to see PP take the OP's side on this one, I mean it's not really their strong suit to try to understand what happened here. Their default safe mode is to side with the buyer.
Regardless, keep us posted on the outcome.
As for the buyer, I would say they have a 42% chance of buying anything again on this forum, but the longer this thread keeps going, and the more people that read it, that percentage will start to drop closer to 30%
With the detent ball fully engaged, it might settle in at closer to 18%, but this kind of math is always tricky....
I honestly didn't really get the point of those numbers either, how they were obtained (calculated), and how thwt bears any relevance to the weak story. It's one thing to have buyer's remorse, fine, no problem. But just making up all kinds of BS fluff is silly. It's the dishonesty behind it all, the old BS component. Like when you know you are being lied to, it's insulting.
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SADLY these are the facts, regardless of the situation on Bladeforums, if you were paid by Paypal Goods and Services, Paypal will EXPECT a FULL refund. PERIOD.. Been there done that. It is not right, but it what is preached on this forum all the time. Paypal, will protect the buyer, 100% of the time, If an item is in returnable condition, i.e. not consumed as in foods, etc. or perishable or timely. I.E. a July 4th gift, attempted to return in September. ( you gather the point ) . That being said, this members name should be mentioned here IMO, as I and most others will never deal with this member again. There is Paypal right and Forum right. And without a doubt the knife was in excellent condition and exceeded any lock up issues the buyer/non buyer is implying. You, sir did zero wrong. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES REFUND THE FUNDS WITHOUT THE KNIFE IN YOUR HAND. However, again a point members here need to know about, Paypal may already be holding funds on the "non-buyers" behalf. This member certainly is in the wrong. She should already have shipped the knife and offered a partial "fee" for your trouble. So with that in mind, I would like the name of the member to add to my " do not do business with list". As far as forum feedback, you can rest assured that the member would be in a world of hurt if she left negative feedback, as RevDevil has already warned about that within the last month. I smell a plank, if she takes that route. Good luck, I look forward to doing business with you anytime, as you have proven yourself a member of honor.
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Are you kidding me, or yourself ?? this thread alone will drop the OP's next sale by at least 25%. MARK my word. The non buyer/scammer put the "kiss of death" on the knife. The op is going to lose BIG, BIG money.. For someone not dealing with $2100 I guess it's easy to say, re-list it.. The OP has taken a MASSIVE hit. Any Other same model knife will ALWAYS sell before this knife does, If it ever sells. Too much bad publicity for this knife. The Non-Buyer, you say forgive, should be banned, because She stepped on the original sales thread, just as if she had made offers, comments, or negative remarks about the knife in the original thread. This knife now carries a back story of shame and assumed guilt. Anyone with more than 5 knife deals knows this as fact.
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I agreed with you on so many points.....
I decided not to quote your posts (to keep clutter down) and suggest that others who are reading my post to go back and read his posts.
To the OP, I understand you have a vacation and may or may not need those funds. But your causing yourself more burden than need be.
With your vacation nearing, the resell of this item could play a big part in your enjoyment. Meaning.....
Or you could fight this, as long as you understand there's a high possibility the buyer will win. And a greater grief of funds being removed in which you thought you had. In turn, taking something as wonderful as a vacation and ruining it.
I'm sorry, but this entire subject about late/early lockup is subjective, is it not? With some individuals being more anal, than others. So everyone reading or commenting on this situation have their own views.
I don't see anything merry about losing money, and that is where the OP is headed. As far as your comment about the $2100 being a lot, the non-buyer knew this when she messed up the original sale.
I would refuse to accept knife, period, would not sign for return of knife and let paypal sort it out. The worst case is what everyone is suggesting, the best case is you get the $2100. Anyone who thinks you should take it back should send the OP $100, because this is not going to end in the favor of a member who did everything 100% correct, and sadly the knife is FOREVER tarnished to any collector. Not one true collector on this or any forum would touch the knife, if another one exist in the free world, no one. I ask the real collectors who have responded here, both of you, would you ??
Don't know if this counts for anything but my experiences with knives using the Microtech subframe lock have been that the lockup is quite variable depending on how hard the knife is opened, or gripped. I don't think a complaint that the lockup is slightly later ("12%"...) is valid at all. This is a common phenomenon whenever you have a steel locking surface against the tang. It's just a normal variation of how far the lock travels across the tang when it locks up.
The OP standing to lose money should have no play in the issue. If you take advantage of the opportunity to sell at an artificially inflated price, your responsibility still covers what you originally sold the knife for, not what its current value is. I am starting to suspect that the real reason for the return is because the knife has dropped so much in value... Wouldn't be the first time.
The OP standing to lose money should have no play in the issue. If you take advantage of the opportunity to sell at an artificially inflated price, your responsibility still covers what you originally sold the knife for, not what its current value is. I am starting to suspect that the real reason for the return is because the knife has dropped so much in value... Wouldn't be the first time.
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I look at it as the cost of doing business. I can agree with everything you said, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to paypal. This is why a lot of veteran members advocate not spending or planning to spend funds until a deal is complete. Because situations like this can, and do arise. No matter how great you think things are going, you can never put possibilities like this past anyone (or should I say total strangers). Even though, the majority of us among this community are great.
This is one of those..... we can do this the easy way, or hard way quandaries.
Of course, instinct is for the OP to agree or take sides with the individuals who feel the same way he does. In regards to standing his ground. But individuals like me and others also want what's best for the OP. We just don't see the "worth" through this route. Well at least I don't, and like the less controversial approach.
I still have the funds and have not spent any of it. The reason why I am standing my ground is due to the way the buyer has decided to take action and the reason for the return.
There is more to it but I am exhausted as it is the middle of the night and just came back from the gym.
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Understood.
I wasn't implying that you spent it, just stating knowledge learned from the community.
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