First, I am not angry with anyone, including Greek_God.
I'm not sure everyone here can say that?
There is more than one issue in this thread but this seems to be the crux...
I don't think people are angry, it;s just that this was just a strange situation from the beginning. Not many people drop $2K on a knife without knowing exactly what they are about to get into, what they are buying, what is to be expected, etc. Many, many knife makers use late lockup, it's been the norm for CRK for 25 years now. Now almost any frame lock can be pushed over to the opposite side with some force, it's a fact. As far as your calculations are concerned, they are nice and all, but really it doesn't make any difference lockbar travel can be manipulated with a small amount of force I don't care if you are the one with $1 or $10K on the line, money doesn't change that simple geometric fact. I know a little about it because I've had knives over the $1K mark in my possession and have seen what these art knives can and cannot do.
What if the seller uses words such as: 'brand new', but fails to mention undesirable 'details'?
Seller takes a picture, but, if the buyer can't see, doesn't notice, or optimistically interprets the picture so much the better for the seller.
What is the responsibility of the seller to disclose undesirable 'details'?
When the unwitting buyer discovers the 'detail', what then?
Yep, people use many words, some more accurate than others. However how much detail do you want? Seriously, I mean where do we draw the line? Are people supposed to buy micrometers and literally measure every dimension of the knife, every angle, every single surface area, measure the impurity rate of the Titanium too? Unwitting buyer? NO ma'am, all people are supposed to do their research BEFORE buying anything here, period. Unwitting is resolved by the buyer, by asking as many questions as necessary. You didn't communicate at all according to the buyer after you bought the item. Seems that the culpability falls on you a bit more than anyone else. Are we supposed to read minds now? One thing I wonder is if you realize that this specific knife has a replaceable lockface. That means that when and if it wears over time (not that it would be used much I'd guess), that part can be replaced, thus returning the lock up to whatever the geometry of the ramp allows for.
Would this thread be here if the seller freely volunteered the lockbar has 15% of its travel remaining?
Everyone has their own opinion on lockup, fine, 15% travel remaining is not acceptable for me and I'm the one with $2100 plus $66 shipping out there.
Greek_Gods listing was a bit of a white lie, not fully honest.
Would this thread be here if you knew what you were buying before you pulled the trigger? What if, the very next model you get has 10% lock up according to your own personal style of qualification? You already have a Microtech employee stating that the knife is fine as it is. DO you know what percentage of lockup these knives are manufactured to by chance? Or any of the tolerances?
The message expressed here by others, however, is loud and clear: sellers are free to use trickery and deception and unwitting buyers are criticized.
I have paid for shipping both ways and the item is returned in perfect condition on the next business day. The seller was informed shortly after item was received. It was out of the box for minutes.
That is the correct thing to do. I wonder though, what makes your argument more credible than his? How is his description a white lie and your communication to paypal legitimized?
thx
jenna
