Keep An Eye Out for Berak

[tanrichguy]

This has certainly been interesting reading. A few observations:

Berak: when posting "I'll take it" you enter into a contract to purchase what was offered. That is the established "law" here. If you were entertaining purchasing another knife over the one offered here you should not have confirmed your intention to buy. Time elapsed is irrelevant. By indicating to the seller that there was a chance that you would reneg on your acceptance of his offer (however remote), you violated a rule here that depends on integrity. I understand if you did not realize this in the beginning-not everyone shares the same value system. You must realize, however, that dealing individual to individual as we do in the exchange requires a high level of honesty and integrity in order to function. There are no protections such as those offered by cc companies, etc.

I hope that you now understand why people are upset with your behavior. Mistakes are made by everyone. It is how you reflect on your mistakes, own up to them, and change that is the mark of an enlightened individual. Whether you stay or go I wish you well.

Whew! As for the rest of this thread- Beraks performance here has certainly not been exemplary but let's try to keep the flaming to a minimum. It is probably counterproductive.

Your mileage may vary-just my opinion and you know what they say about that!

Well wishes to all.

 

[on_the_edge]

... but let's try to keep the flaming to a minimum. It is probably counterproductive.

I don't think there is a lot of flaming going on in this thread. I do think a lot of folks are trying to convey some very significant points to Berak that he prefers to deflect rather than fully accept. Until he understands and accepts those points, he will do the same thing over and over again.

Like others who have posted in this thread, I have had many transactions in the time that I have been here--easily over 200. Not once have I ever withdrawn from an "I'll take it." That does not mean that I haven't wanted to. It means that once I open my mouth and say "I'll take it", then that is what I do come he** or high water. Period. No excuses. No regrets. No whining.

Berak, if you want to paint me as just another detractor of your impeccable character, then please feel free. I was trying to help you in the Busse forum by posting what I did (posted above in one of Guyon's responses), but obviously you see things differently. That's fine. Ignore me, ignore all the great advice you've already gotten in this thread, and go on about your merry way holding firm to your misguided beliefs. It's your life, however short that may be here on BFC.

 

[Berak]

I know I said I wasnt going to post in this thread again and by doing so I am probably just going to add to my image here as someone not to be trusted but in light of the last two posts I thought I should respond.

First off, I know full well know just as I knew at the time, that I shouldnt have posted Ill take it when I was 100% certain. I made that mistake and I apologize for it. I didnt see the other knife until afterward. It was my intent when I posted it to follow through, and in fact, I was prepared to just hours later but the offer was retracted before I could. I take responsibility for all that nonetheless.

The only issue I have is how it was handled and the tone of the responses for someone new, it really was over the top and harsh in my opinion. I didnt try and rip anyone off or make a shady deal, I told the seller exactly what I was thinking. Worst case he is out a few hours of listing time here where it's free to list. I also didnt think it appropriate for him to warn me just for asking another seller for pics of his knife. That is really none of his buisness.

No I will not be doing the same thing over and over again. Given the facts I dont see how you can leap to that conclusion.

 

[Berak]

On the edge, If your intent was as you state then I apologize to you. I just dont see how that post would have come out of nowhere withoud this thread being here.

 

[on_the_edge]

On the edge, If your intent was as you state then I apologize to you. I just dont see how that post would have come out of nowhere withoud this thread being here.

My intent was as I stated. The problem is (was) that your belief about why I posted was flawed. You assumed that because this thread was here, then that was my only motivation behind my post in the Busse forum. Yes, I knew this thread was here, but it was not my only motivation to post in the Busse forum. My motivation was 1) that this post was here AND 2) that your apparent behavior in a FS thread, if carried over to a Ganza, would end up causing a lot of headache for Amy-0 and a bit of heartache for yourself, all of which is unnecessary. It used to be that some people would ask for the world in a Ganza, and then when they realized that they got everything they wanted and how expensive it is, they would back-peddle and throw half of their take back into the trough. With demand for some knives far exceeding supply, you can see how this would turn into a royal headache for Amy and the rest of the crew. So, I think it was Jerry that finally came out and said that such behavior was no longer acceptable, and that if your put in for something and got it, you better take it or else you'd end up at the bottom of the pile. In this way, he was trying to minimize the likelihood that someone was going to be causing headaches (albeit unintended headaches) for Amy-0. To this day, that unofficial policy still stands. So, proverbially speaking, I saw a big pile of *you know what* on the horizon for you, knew that you were susceptible to stepping in such piles, and tried to enlighten you on some of the nuances that you might not otherwise be aware of. Folks like Morimotom and Guyon and a few others here (and on the Busse forum) have tried to do the same thing. Please avail yourself of their good advice.

 

[Berak]

See thats the thing, your making a huge leap from me *potentially* backing out on one deal to somehow having a propensity to always back out. Its just not the case, insulting. Im sure that Jerry and Amy only care if I dont actually pay, whereas the seller here only cared that there was any chance I wouldnt. Two entirely different outlooks. You see you cant offer your advice over there based on this thread without bringing the same issues up. There is no advice given here that isn't already common sense, so your helpful advice along with the othere you mentioned can be summarized as "We think you lack common sense, here's some advice ..."

I don't want to get back into it again. I said I was wrong, I said it was a mistake and it's not something that would ever occur again even if I did plan to buy anything from someone, not that it is likely.

 

[on_the_edge]

Im sure that Jerry and Amy only care if I dont actually pay,

Ok, right there. That part of a sentence is wrong and that is what I am trying to point out to you. Yes, they care if you don't actually pay, but that is NOT all they care about. They also care about if you say you will pay (ie. "I'll take ...), but then you back off of that. If you don't believe me, try it sometime. Trust me--you won't like the result.

It is that simple.

 

[Guyon]

Below is a quote from Jerry Busse regarding one of the more recent Ganzas. This rule has, as on_the_edge notes, been in place for some time:

**** Important Note: Those who intentionally overload their order request and then cancel most or part of their order AFTER notifications have been sent out, will lose their place and be put at the end of the line, where they may or may not get any of their requested knives. "Order loading" causes innumerable problems for our office. *******

Source: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=752505

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[Berak]

On_the_edge: I am having hard time determining what you mean by "then you back off of that" if that isn't to mean I don't pay for the order. Either I pay or I don't, there really isn't much grey area. I was prepared to pay the seller within hours of my post. I can't fathom a scenario where, let's say I call in an order and then later call back to say that "I may have to cancel the order for some reason, I'll let you know in three hours" , where their answer will be "then I'm cancelling your order now and you won't be buying anything from us in the future either."

Guyon: You post and link is irrelvant. I am not overloading any order request and I never canceled the order, the seller did. Let that settle for second, digest that fact. Does it say, "We will cancel any orders when we don't receive payment within three hours of notification" or something similar? I think not. Repeat, I did not cancel the order, the seller did.

I've already said what I did was a mistake, if it came down to it and I did decide to cancel, I would have assuredly issued the seller an apology and taken my lumps. I just think he was very hasty to act as he did. I wasn't trying to cause anyone undue stress, if I had never replied for a few hours at all, none of this would have even been an issue and I would have that knife.

I started posting again because I wanted to ensure tanrichguy, who seemed to be little more level headed here, that I understood it was a mistake. It is a mistake that won't happen again for several reasons. Again, I don't see any profound advise here that isn't common sense.

Another point, and this is just sour grapes I guess at this point, but I see where other members have actually payed for an item and then asked for their money back and others where they actually did cancel. I would not have canceled just because I found a better deal, and I told the seller that. It may be a subtle nuance but the only other knife I was after was different model altogether. They weren't treated as harshly nor as quickly as I was which I find a little baffling.

I've already ordered two knives from the store and it's all been smooth. I have a BM LE sitting at the post office for me right now and a KZII LE on order from the Ganza. The BM LE will be my first Busse.

 

[Guyon]

My quote and link refute a statement you just made. How can it be "irrelvant"?

Im sure that Jerry and Amy only care if I dont actually pay,

And you effectively canceled the order the second you made clear you wanted the seller to wait because you were considering another knife. If you'd done it in one of my sale threads, I would have booted you to the curb just as this seller did.

You say "I'll take it" and you don't take it? You lose your deal. Simple. The same principle applies to Busse Ganzas.

 

[Berak]

"I'll take it" and you don't take it? You lose your deal. Simple. The same principle applies to Busse Ganzas.

You have a problem with the "and you don't take it" part. That is a lie. I was going to take it. You say I "effectively" canceled it. Again, not true. That was the seller's discretion and I would also bet most sellers would have waited that amount of time.

How much would you like to bet that my order would not be canceled by Busse if I told them after I placed an order, I may have to cancel, I'll let them know in three hours? You seem incapable of making the distinction between saying something might happen and it actually happening. I hope you never have to have a medical test to determine if you have some illness, one can only assume you will assert you have the disease regardless of the testing or it's liklihood.

It's apparent this is going nowhere again as I should have expected, so I'll restrict my responses to ones that have something worth replying to rather than repeating the same mantra over and over.

 

[Cougar Allen]

I can't fathom a scenario where, let's say I call in an order and then later call back to say that "I may have to cancel the order for some reason, I'll let you know in three hours" , where their answer will be "then I'm cancelling your order now and you won't be buying anything from us in the future either."

That says it all. Berak can't fathom it. He can't fathom that a seller could be unwilling to accept his hold and refuse all other buyers while he makes up his mind, in a ganza or in a private sale, and he can't fathom that a person or store he inflicts such a hold on could be unwilling to ever give him a chance to do it again. Even after all this thread, he still can't fathom it. Will he ever be able to fathom it? Gentlemen, place your bets ...

 

[Berak]

That says it all. Berak can't fathom it. He can't fathom that a seller could be unwilling to accept his hold and refuse all other buyers while he makes up his mind, in a ganza or in a private sale, and he can't fathom that a person or store he inflicts such a hold on could be unwilling to ever give him a chance to do it again. Even after all this thread, he still can't fathom it. Will he ever be able to fathom it? Gentlemen, place your bets ...

I never asked him to "refuse all other buyers". If he wanted to immediately post that the knife was still for sale in his sale thread, that would have certainly been OK with me and only fair if someone else bought it in the mean time.

 

[Cougar Allen]

I never asked him to "refuse all other buyers".

You forced him into refusing all other buyers when you accepted the contract by saying, "I'll take it."

If you had asked him to hold it for you while you made up your mind, there wouldn't have been any problem. He probably would have said no, but there wouldn't have been any harm in asking.

If you try asking the Busse company store to hold something for you in the middle of a ganza ... what did I say about Clueless Cat....

 

[Guyon]

You have a problem with the "and you don't take it" part. That is a lie. I was going to take it. You say I "effectively" canceled it. Again, not true. That was the seller's discretion and I would also bet most sellers would have waited that amount of time.

Did you say...

a) Please wait three hours and I'll have your funds to you?

b) Please wait three hours because I'm looking at another knife?

Huge difference.

 

[Guyon]

How much would you like to bet that my order would not be canceled by Busse if I told them after I placed an order, I may have to cancel, I'll let them know in three hours?

Tell you what... try that next Ganza and get back to us. Be sure to mention to Amy-0 that you're looking at other knives you might prefer. I'll be interested in the response.


Unrelated to that little experiment, the point made about Busse was that you shouldn't load up an order and then cancel some of the knives. There is an explicit rule against that strategy of holding knives.

And it is a form of holding... Amy processes the orders in terms of first-come, first-serve. After everything is determined (who gets what), she starts placing calls and making emails for payment. If you don't take everything you've ordered, you've essentially "held" those knives away from another recipient. It ticks off the folks at Busse because they have to recalibrate everything.

 

[on_the_edge]

On_the_edge: I am having hard time determining what you mean by "then you back off of that" if that isn't to mean I don't pay for the order.

I mean simply that you change your mind about what you wanted.

You send an e-mail into Busse to say that you want A, B, C, D, E, & F. That does not mean you will get them, but as luck has it, two days later after busting her butt, Amy-0 tells you that there were enough knives AND you were fast enough that you will get everything that you wanted. Amy has already sent out 37 e-mails that day and has another 250 to send out that day. Rather than say, "Hey, cool, hit my cc as hard as you want because I am ready to buy everything I originally wanted!", you instead say, "Uh, well, I just thought C and D were cool. I didn't actually think I'd get them. And now that you tell me that I did, I really can't...insert excuse here." That situation is one to avoid at all costs.

That is what I was trying to help you with.

 

[Berak]

Fair enough on the edge. This was my first ganza and was only for the KZII LE I believe and I only wanted one. I will keep that in mind if I participate in future ones, that policy only makes sense. If you bid on X items you should be able to buy all of them.

Peace.

 

[Fubarski]

Why is it that I'm absolutely certain you've never gotten laid?

 

[Berak]

Why is it that I'm absolutely certain you've never gotten laid?

Because your the smartest man in the room. Is this the average maturity level, is there an age limit here and is this your best insult?