Knives are not prybars!

[KingMC]

Says "Built like a tank."
You know who builds tanks? Humans.
You know who built ZT knives? Humans.

And both use bolts in their construction too.

So it's accurate enough.

Flawless logic

 

[NYOutdoors]

For working with wood, I like a little extra "meat" to the blade.
Not 0.25" thick folders, but the 0.156" of the ZT's is nice.

I'm working on a hiking staff right now (well, not as I'm typing this...), and my Cold Steel Tuff lite got a slight warp to the edge (nice thin hollow grind).
So last night I was using my ZT 0801; the flat grind combined with the edge profile I gave it works great, but I can get around where the braches were and do the sort of twisting cuts needed without any issues.

Or in the woods, when I'm cutting something and do a quick twist at the end of the cut to get the unneeded material off quicker.


Just looking at my ZT's right now, I don't get why someone would try hard prying with them though...0.156" is a really, really thin pry bar.

ZT Folder? In the woods? I thought we were talking about using the right tool for the job?

Not that it won't cut, but why not use any of well, almost infinite fixed/folder options with better cutting geometry and the "extra meat"?

 

[daveb068]

Been using them wrong for all these years. Anyone need some good used prybars.
Seriously, knives are used for cutting. A life or death situation may change that, but I tend to use tools that are tailored for a specific job for that job.

 

[stabman]

ZT Folder? In the woods? I thought we were talking about using the right tool for the job?

Not that it won't cut, but why not use any of well, almost infinite fixed/folder options with better cutting geometry and the "extra meat"?

I pair a folder with something like this:

or this:

or something like this:

A folder for smaller knife tasks, a big knife for bigger knife tasks.
Not a difficult concept.

In the case of the hiking staff, a bigger knife cut down the tree.
Smaller knives are making it into a useful mobility device.

 

[NYOutdoors]

I pair a folder with something like this:

or this:

or something like this:

A folder for smaller knife tasks, a big knife for bigger knife tasks.
Not a difficult concept.

Agreed, a simple concept, but not at all what I was calling into question.

 

[stabman]

Agreed, a simple concept, but not at all what I was calling into question.

I have found that a knife with 0.125" to 0.156" thickness of blade about perfect for my pocket knife uses of cutting things.
Zero Tolerance makes knives that fit in that range, so I tend to like them.

So does Spyderco, so I have a bunch of them too.

On the Zero Tolerance knives I have, the blade grind comes up high enough that they perform cutting tasks quite well...some did require a slight reprofiling of the edge though, but not nearly as much as, say, a traditional like my Northwoods Burnside Jack (I had to put an entire edge on it...seriously, you could have used it as a butter knife).

And since it's now officially a ZT thread...

 

[Shorttime]

Posted without further comment.

 

[daveb068]

Posted without further comment.

Nice! You went and sharpened a pry bar.

 

[Shorttime]

Ha! Actually, I purchased it from TOPS Knives.

The "Lil Roughneck".

With a little help from DMT, it will push cut cardboard, and plastic kitchen wrap. I just need to arrange a meeting between the knife and the sharpening surface on a regular basis.

 

[mqqn]

I don't even think that "ROFLMFAO" is an adequate acronym for this one. Take a breath, mqqn.

I personally own several ZT's and have had great use out of them. Also had great luck with their customer service. With all of that being said, if they don't make these knives thicker, heavier, and more robust to handle non-cutting tasks, then why make them that way? My opinel cuts circles around any ZT I own, so if they were just made for cutting, why "overbuilt" and "like a tank" and sacrifice cutting ability?

For heavy duty cutting tasks?

best

mqqn

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Jobs like prying and cutting occur on a spectrum. Really, I'm prying with a knife when I pop a chip out of a piece of wood I'm whittling. Darn near any pocket knife, including thin-bladed Opinels and slipjoints are more than capable of doing that and have been used to do it for darn near ever. Prying larger bits of wood apart? I'd think you were abusing darn near any folder doing it, regardless of your results, but there are plenty of fixed blades I wouldn't think twice about doing it with. Prying up a manhole cover? Time to put the blades away and reach for a crowbar.

Cutting is the same way. Veggies are nice and easy, wood and cardboard are tougher, plastics and carpet harder still, and if you're using a knife to cut sheet metal you're abusing it (and may be an idiot).

 

[NYOutdoors]

For heavy duty cutting tasks?

best

mqqn

But if I'm doing something really heavy duty, like say cutting thick carpet, why do I reach for my opinel or (shocker) a utility knife? I must be doing it wrong because, well, I have to say, my ZT's don't do very well at that. They are sharp edged tools that can and have been used for other tasks, which is great (I once used my 0550 to hammer a picture hanging nail into a wall, it worked amazing - shocker), but I think it's a bit silly to label them as only "cutting tools" when they do not excel at that and are clearly built to be able to withstand abuse that people will never put on a knife they are JUST cutting with.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion, but that's cool. As much as you guys can't stand to see people posting their disappointment or issues with ZT products, I can't stand to see every person that isn't singing their graces jumped on and berated by their fan club in every single thread.

 

[stabman]

I guess it's just a difference of opinion, but that's cool. As much as you guys can't stand to see people posting their disappointment or issues with ZT products, I can't stand to see every person that isn't singing their graces jumped on and berated by their fan club in every single thread.

I don't see either thing happening.
I see a discussion on an internet forum, and one that's much more calm and level-headed than most.

 

[PG5768]

...As much as you guys can't stand to see people posting their disappointment or issues with ZT products, I can't stand to see every person that isn't singing their graces jumped on and berated by their fan club in every single thread.

So that's how you rationalize the need to troll, bringing justice to BFC.

 

[daveb068]

Ha! Actually, I purchased it from TOPS Knives.

The "Lil Roughneck".

With a little help from DMT, it will push cut cardboard, and plastic kitchen wrap. I just need to arrange a meeting between the knife and the sharpening surface on a regular basis.

I may have to pick one of those up. Thanks!

 

[NYOutdoors]

I don't see either thing happening.
I see a discussion on an internet forum, and one that's much more calm and level-headed than most.

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle, I must be missing something. Ah well, carry on.

 

[stabman]

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle, I must be missing something. Ah well, carry on.

Well, you know, coming from the rough and tumble world of studying history at university, you get used to people being passionate and arguing a bunch about one side or another.

 

[NYOutdoors]

Well, you know, coming from the rough and tumble world of studying history at university, you get used to people being passionate and arguing a bunch about one side or another.

True - I do like a good debate. Even if it is at risk of being called a "troll"!

 

[stabman]

True - I do like a good debate. Even if it is at risk of being called a "troll"!

Perhaps I'll have to try yelling out "Troll!!!" the next time someone is making a different point in a debate.
That would probably be good for a laugh or two.

 

[daveb068]

But if I'm doing something really heavy duty, like say cutting thick carpet, why do I reach for my opinel or (shocker) a utility knife? I must be doing it wrong because, well, I have to say, my ZT's don't do very well at that. They are sharp edged tools that can and have been used for other tasks, which is great (I once used my 0550 to hammer a picture hanging nail into a wall, it worked amazing - shocker), but I think it's a bit silly to label them as only "cutting tools" when they do not excel at that and are clearly built to be able to withstand abuse that people will never put on a knife they are JUST cutting with.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion, but that's cool. As much as you guys can't stand to see people posting their disappointment or issues with ZT products, I can't stand to see every person that isn't singing their graces jumped on and berated by their fan club in every single thread.

The ZT will cut carpet, not the best TOOL for the job. Just like my bouble bit axe can fillet a trout, just not the best at it.