Larry Harley- Lonesome Pine Knives

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Bubbanumber1 said:
Larry has not "SCREWED" anyone. I'm sure he will take care of this when he can as he is not some fly by night scam operation as you guys are making him out to be. Its a given your unhappy with the way things have worked out so far but its not like Larry has done a runner. He is still there making knives, not bankrupt advising everyone to contact his lawyer.


PS, Your not the first on Bladeforums to suggest I have very large balls :thumbup:.
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Bubba...Did you even bother to read what the OP said?

"Last contact i had with Mr. Harley was approx. three years ago."

There is absolutely no excuse for that -- no knife, no contact, no refund, no nothin'!! Even you can't find a way to excuse that pathetic behavior. "...he will take care of this when he can"??? Really, how much longer do you think the OP should give him -- maybe another three years or so?
 
Bubbanumber1 said:
Larry has not "SCREWED" anyone. I'm sure he will take care of this when he can as he is not some fly by night scam operation as you guys are making him out to be. Its a given your unhappy with the way things have worked out so far but its not like Larry has done a runner. He is still there making knives, not bankrupt advising everyone to contact his lawyer.


PS, Your not the first on Bladeforums to suggest I have very large balls :thumbup:.
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Defending Harley's behavior is indefensible.

If you are truly his friend, you will help him secure funding so he can eat and not have to dig himself deeper in the dungheap than he already is. Get him to make the knives he owes people so he can clear his name, and not have it continually dragged through the mud.

What you are doing now is not helping....you are just driving those with a beef(legitimate and otherwise) closer together in a unified and public disdain for Harley's business practices and failure to communicate.

It is up to the customer to determine when they have been screwed, not you and not Harley.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Again I find myself bemused.

One guy takes customer's money and doesn't provide the customer with the product that they paid for. That guy is a no good scum bag loser because he intended to take their money all along.

Results: Bad guy gets the cash customer gets the shaft.

Another guy takes a customer's money and doesn't provide the customer with the product that they paid for. This guy is a stand up guy because he never intended to to bilk the customer and in fact we're convinced that he will eventually provide a product to the customer... someday... maybe.. when he feels like it.

Results: Good guy gets the cash and the customer gets the shaft.

Does that about sum it up?
 
Yup, both the good guy and the bad guy are scumbags.

The good guy however is a nice scumbag with a big heart and represents the old school method of knife making. The good guy scumbag takes one's money for a knife order to buy materials so he can make someone else a knife.

The badguy scumbags steals the money, the good guy scumbag just uses it for his own needs.

That surely makes a difference.................... :rolleyes:
 
I'm not going to call Mr. Harley a scumbag, etc.,. and I wish y'all would stop it. I still pray for him, hoping his health will improve. If that helps him get knives out to the folks owed, thats good too.
It saddens me that a big hearted fellow like Larry is in this spot. Doesn't keep me from being mad about not getting my knife back though.
 
maybe scumbag is a little too harsh. unless of course I am one of those owed!!

how about poor businessman who has turned a deaf ear on those he owes money and knives to and does not give a crap.

Action speaks louder than words so if he is this "good guy" now is the time to make things right.

Continued silence and a deaf ear equals................???
 
Kohai999 said:
Defending Harley's behavior is indefensible.

If you are truly his friend, you will help him secure funding so he can eat and not have to dig himself deeper in the dungheap than he already is. Get him to make the knives he owes people so he can clear his name, and not have it continually dragged through the mud.

What you are doing now is not helping....you are just driving those with a beef(legitimate and otherwise) closer together in a unified and public disdain for Harley's business practices and failure to communicate.

It is up to the customer to determine when they have been screwed, not you and not Harley.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Steven, my posting was not some kind of Machiavellian or Sun Tzu type of tactical post to pull the blinders over anyone's eyes. I just called bullshit on people calling Larry a scam artist. Anyone involved is more than welcome to make a formal complaint to the ABS or any other organization.

What is funny is to watch certain members of the forum defend unethical honor and valor thieving scum bags then find a thread where Larry is under the bus for getting cancer and screwing up orders. I would view this much different if I thought for a second he was collecting money up to do a runner to Mexico or was some kind of crackhead like a few of the guys the forum has dealt with in the past.

In the past I have advised every maker I ever talked to specifically not to take money on orders more than thirty days out, its a trap and once your in its tough to get out. I'm sorry the customer is not happy but it irritates me to see anyone trash Harley after all he has done for kids and bladesmiths, most of which few if anyone around here knows about. As long as Larry doesn't do anything worse than being found with a dead hooker he is always welcome to hot coffee and a warm seat by any fire I spark off.

http://www.americanbladesmith.com/youth-program.html
 
If Larry's cancer was the sole reason for his failure to deliver knives and refund money most here would be compassionate.
But if he can post on facebook with Cancer he can E-mail those he owes and communicate his plans to get straight with them. Nobody threw larry under the bus, he got there alll by himself.
Sickness/injury excuses can only go so far....................................
 
Bubbanumber1, if you can talk Larry into getting me my knife, I'd sure appreciate it! I don't think I'm asking too much for a little correspondance??? Like wolfmann601 stated, "If he can post on FB....he can E-mail those he owes...."
BTW - Even after all this time I'm still on the fence about the scumbag issue!
 
Bubbanumber1 said:
Steven, my posting was not some kind of Machiavellian or Sun Tzu type of tactical post to pull the blinders over anyone's eyes. I just called bullshit on people calling Larry a scam artist. Anyone involved is more than welcome to make a formal complaint to the ABS or any other organization.

What is funny is to watch certain members of the forum defend unethical honor and valor thieving scum bags then find a thread where Larry is under the bus for getting cancer and screwing up orders. I would view this much different if I thought for a second he was collecting money up to do a runner to Mexico or was some kind of crackhead like a few of the guys the forum has dealt with in the past.

In the past I have advised every maker I ever talked to specifically not to take money on orders more than thirty days out, its a trap and once your in its tough to get out. I'm sorry the customer is not happy but it irritates me to see anyone trash Harley after all he has done for kids and bladesmiths, most of which few if anyone around here knows about. As long as Larry doesn't do anything worse than being found with a dead hooker he is always welcome to hot coffee and a warm seat by any fire I spark off.

http://www.americanbladesmith.com/youth-program.html
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So y'all are sittin' around a fire and Larry reaches out, takes a couple of thousand dollars out of your pocket, then gets in his truck and leaves.
Kind of takes the shine off, don't it?
Larry didn't "Screw up my order". I sent him a knife to be tuned up and he never sent it back. You have an excuse ready for that one?
Thanks for the heads-up on the ABS.
 
If a maker can post on chatrooms despite their illness, then they most certainly can contact their customers and provide them information about their order(s). There is absolutely no excuse to put customers on ignore.
 
Glad I founf this thread as I really like the BAttle Bowie and have been wanting to pull the trigger and order one.

That won't be happening.

I think Larry really finshed himself off. He stated that he knows what he did was wrong, Then he refers to knives that he has taken payment for but have not delevleverd as "Free" knives" Then claims he never screwed anyone over in his 30+ years.

I Think the fact that he took the money spent it and now refers to the knives owed as free knives says it all. They are not free they are knives that you owe people

If they are free sign me up I'll take one, As long as its free take as long as you like to make it.
 
Yes, I will personally look into this. I'm as busy as as a hive of bees in spring but I can make a couple calls, no time line. I should be seeing Larry in February too, for sure in the spring.

I'm not making any excuses for him, none. He is a grown man big enough to whittle his own sticks. That said he has also been in the business long enough to deserve better than having a couple complaints turn into a internet hair fashion parlor where the hair dryers are replaced with keyboards.

For future reference if I had a valid complaint about an member of the Guild, ABS, or Custom Knife Collectors, I would be sending them a formal letter and have them look into the situation. While one should not expect them to insure money any of the three can take formal action against members if they are found to be in the wrong.
 
Bubba, you found the time to post here to defend Larry.

Instead of responding, drop him a dime and tell him what's up.

back to my hair dryer, right next to yours!!!
 
Bubbanumber1 said:
In the past I have advised every maker I ever talked to specifically not to take money on orders more than thirty days out, its a trap and once your in its tough to get out. I'm sorry the customer is not happy but it irritates me to see anyone trash Harley after all he has done for kids and bladesmiths, most of which few if anyone around here knows about. As long as Larry doesn't do anything worse than being found with a dead hooker he is always welcome to hot coffee and a warm seat by any fire I spark off.
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Surely you are not implying that Larry's good deeds(which as an ABS Apprentice, I am well informed about through The Journal) give him a pass? Right behavior does not cancel out wrong behavior.

Why don't you do this.....ask Larry who he owes money to and help cover the refunds for him?

Otherwise, your post reads like "I know Larry is wrongly taking people's money, but that is A-OK with me" and my response to you is....go piss on an electric fence.

Bubbanumber1 said:
For future reference if I had a valid complaint about an member of the Guild, ABS, or Custom Knife Collectors, I would be sending them a formal letter and have them look into the situation. While one should not expect them to insure money any of the three can take formal action against members if they are found to be in the wrong.
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CKCA is a member-run organization as much as anything else. We haven't had a situation come up where a member in good standing has taken someone's money and failed to deliver, but we are also only 2 1/2 years old. IF that situation ever comes up, it will be dealt with. It will not be swept under the rug.


Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Bubbanumber1 said:
Na, just pointing out some hypocrisy but its become a bore.
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As I see it, you are sticking up for a friend in spite of ample evidence of unethical practices that, were he not your friend, you would likely condemn as loudly as you have the practices and lies of certain other makers.

That, in only my opinion, is hypocrisy.
 
Hi Bubban,
Well you could please ask Harley what he did with my knife and custom sheath I sent him over two years ago for making right ( His words). He won't answer me nor return my emails. Three months ago I sent him money to return my knife and a NICE letter. Guess what? No knife, no answer, no money. I wonder what that means???
Regards
Robert (fruitcop)
 
Bubbanumber1 said:
Na, just pointing out some hypocrisy but its become a bore.
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"Hypocrisy"? You're coming across as a fool. You've no dog in this fight but keep posting your drivel.
So far we've got:
ch46- Owed a Battle Bowie/sheath. OVER 3 years. Back in february I get an e-mail from Mr. Harley about saving a friggin' bluegrass radio station. I sent an e-mail expressing interest in a Battle Bowie. He writes: Sure, just send the money. I write back that I'd just like the one owed me: Crickets chirpin'...
fruitcop- Owed a knife/sheath. 2 years.
bridlebutcher- Owed a Battle Bowie/sheath. 1+1/2 years.
Mr. Harley has posted on this thread, admitting to having screwed these customers, and then slunk away. No further contact with the parties owed.
Find somewhere else to post your nonsense.
 
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