Lion Steel Rotoblock

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Josh K said:
I highly doubt it engages on draw. You would have better luck asking existing SR-1 owners if they can unlock it with one hand.
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Tomso said:
Its just a turn with a finger to disengage the rotoblock. It doesn't take two hands to fold the knife. Hope that helps.
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Ah. I was thinking if it engaged on draw that it may have a spring as opposed to the SR-1, which would require holding it in position while moving the lockbar over (like AutoLawks where it can't be let go until the blade is partially folded already). I'm probably just over-complicating the mechanism in my head.
 
No, there is no spring, so its not annoying to disengage...well, at least for me its annoying to disengage autolawk. Its easy with rotoblock. Just a simple turn. But it works well. Adds strength.
 
Josh K said:
Please, explain to me the difference between your knife, another Hinderer Stabilizer equipped knife, and a standard framelock.

While you're at it, please tell me how this knife "locks" (as in really really locks, not just a spring) simply by drawing it out of your pocket.

After you have done that (it's rhetorical, you don't need to actually answer), please take note that you're wrong. Does putting an extra set of wheels on a car make it a Ferrari? I don't think so. Putting an extra safety on a knife doesn't make it any different either. You have already publicly stated that your experience in knife making and the industry in general is limited. Why are you purporting that your knife is better then everything else? Heck, how many people have actually used the thing to validate these whimsical claims?

Any possible attraction I had to the HEST or HEST Folder has been completely lost by your actions in this thread. Congrats.
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First, sorry you feel this way. It all got a bit who's got bigger one.

HEST folder is a better knife then others for RYP and that what he said. It suits his needs and he designed it that way. Its a strong knife, very well build with top notch quality at affordable price. Does that make it better then others? It depends on a person really. For some, the ultimate knife is fixed knife, or a SAK, for some its Hinderer. Honestly, i hope it will be compared with Hinderer knives. As far as i'm concerned, there are are very few knifes that get even close to his x-18. But some would say the same for sebenza, but CRK knives dont do it for me. It really comes down to personal taste.
 
Tomso said:
First, sorry you feel this way. It all got a bit who's got bigger one.

HEST folder is a better knife then others for RYP and that what he said. It suits his needs and he designed it that way. Its a strong knife, very well build with top notch quality at affordable price. Does that make it better then others? It depends on a person really. For some, the ultimate knife is fixed knife, or a SAK, for some its Hinderer. Honestly, i hope it will be compared with Hinderer knives. As far as i'm concerned, there are are very few knifes that get even close to his x-18. But some would say the same for sebenza, but CRK knives dont do it for me. It really is personal taste. That's all i wanted to say.
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How can you say that? Has the knife been released while I was posting? We have people praising an image of a knife that they have never handled.

My apologies if you have actually had one for any appreciable length of time.
 
No worries, mate. Yea, i have HEST folder for few months now. I know all this shit about wave and stuff got heated, but as far as knife it self, Lion steel did an amazing job on what i consider an excellent design by RYP. It really is a great knife and i'm positive customers will feel the same.
 
RYP,

I understand that the Rotoblock, when engaged, prevents the lock bar from moving and the knife from folding(even if you try to close the knife). Correct?

Now, are you suggesting that the Rotoblock engages automatically every time the knife is deployed? If so, your previous statements make sense to me. If not, they don't make sense since we all know there are plenty of knives that have a rapid deployment feature(wave) and "lock" when open.

I think that is the primary source of confusion here. Your definition of lock as applicable to the Lionsteel SR-1 and HEST/F is when the lockbar is engaging the tang of the knife AND the Rotoblock is preventing the lockbar from moving. Others definition of locked is simply when the lockbar is engaging the tang.

So, if the Rotoblock does engage upon depoyment, it seems it would be fairly difficult to close the knife one handed since you would have to first rotate the Rotoblock to disengage and then press the lockbar over and close the knife.

By the way, no hard feelings on anyone, I'm just trying to figure out exactly how the HEST/F w/ Rotoblock operates.
 
dillon_b12, i know you asked RYP, but <allow me to answer you question. Rotoblock engages in lock position when waved properly, but it has no spring, so when you turn it, it stays in unlock position and is at that point just a normal framelock. I know its hard to picture it without actually holding the knife, but yes, it can be closed with one hand with no problem.
 
So it's only when waving the knife that the Rotoblock engages automatically? I'm having a hard time imagining what is causing the Rotoblock to rotate and engage without being manually done by the user.
 
Tomso said:
No worries, mate. Yea, i have HEST folder for few months now. I know all this shit about wave and stuff got heated, but as far as knife it self, Lion steel did an amazing job on what i consider an excellent design by RYP. It really is a great knife and i'm positive customers will feel the same.
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Tomso, you know the rules of the forum. Pics or it didn't happen.:) Please post some pics and or videos of the HEST folder that you have and show us exactly how this bad boy is going to work for all of us. I can't wait to get mine and all this jib jab back and forth is getting me all worked up.
 
It looks like a nice knife. I think my main want on this thing is the glass breaker since I was considering buying a separate glass breaker at certain times. For this and for D2, it seems like it will be a good knife. I don't ever expect to use the bottle opener, I can use a bottle opener for that.

The response for the opening was actually an answer to my question about if the bottle opener can be used as a wave opener. I'm glad it can.

The rest of the stuff, RYP does not research the knife world. Okay, so maybe announcing that your knife is different from the rest of the knife world might not be a good statement to make.

I think this crowd would be better off with more facts and less marketing claims.

Also, arguing on the internet has never proved to be a good idea. Typically, the quickest end is the best end to all arguements (on the internet).
 
Emerson's patent has nothing to do with locks.

Emerson filed a Utility patent. It's good for 20 years (7 more years until it expires) and if the blade on your folder opens by snagging on clothing -then you owe the man some kudos, as he came up with the idea.

Contacting Emerson would be the right thing to do.
 
Tomso said:
Its a strong knife, very well build with top notch quality at affordable price.
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Josh K said:
How can you say that? Has the knife been released while I was posting? We have people praising an image of a knife that they have never handled.

My apologies if you have actually had one for any appreciable length of time.
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Tomso said:
No worries, mate. Yea, i have HEST folder for few months now. I know all this shit about wave and stuff got heated, but as far as knife it self, Lion steel did an amazing job on what i consider an excellent design by RYP. It really is a great knife and i'm positive customers will feel the same.
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Tomso, thanks for your first hand use input. :thumbup:

If I might ask, are you affiliate with Lion Steel? [I think I remember you are. :)]

What is that affiliation, if indeed there is one??
Thanks in advance..... :thumbup: ... :)
 
Thrill said:
Tomso, you know the rules of the forum. Pics or it didn't happen.:) Please post some pics and or videos of the HEST folder that you have and show us exactly how this bad boy is going to work for all of us. I can't wait to get mine and all this jib jab back and forth is getting me all worked up.
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I'll try and post pictures tomorrow if I'll get the time. It's pretty much a production prototype without engravings. Will try.
 
teacher said:
Tomso, thanks for your first hand use input. :thumbup:

If I might ask, are you affiliate with Lion Steel? [I think I remember you are. :)]

What is that affiliation, if indeed there is one??
Thanks in advance..... :thumbup: ... :)
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I was involved with hest folder from the get go, did technical stuff, cad etc, and did all the renders. I was able to visit LionSteel factory in October, Gianni showed me the factory. That was cool.
 
Tomso said:
Rotoblock engages in lock position when waved properly
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I don't wanna argue, I love the knife too much, I'm just really curious how this works. Would you care to explain? Some pics or a vid would also be awesome. If it actually engages the Roto-block and bank vaults the knife directly as you wave it out of the pocket, that IMO makes it all worthwhile. Either way I can't wait to get a hold of the knife.

Until then:

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Tomso said:
I guess when RYP said it locks when opened that way, confused some that didnt understood it was actually about rotoblock. I honestly dont see any point in dragging this shit any further.

As far as cutout on the lock, its not thin by any means. Its actually thicker then on most folders with frame lock. And frame lock is 4mm thick. In addition with rotoblock, which i agree acts as a stabilizer (Lion Steel and Hinderer have an agreement of some sort), but it also when in lock position prevents the lock to disengage. Its a cool addition to what is a strong lock to begin with. Plus it has carbon inserted (dont know if its actually called carbon) where lock has contact with the blade when opened, to prevent too much wear.
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BOLD & BLUE mine.

+1 to the above.

IMO, this has gotten somewhat stupid.

Semantics, misunderstanding, egos, opinions, theories, speculation, legal advice, etc., etc., etc. All accomplishing not much of nothing...... except finally learning how the RotoBlock works. [Thanks for the video TooBuzz & philwar. And thanks for the first had info you provided on it also Tomso.]

Other than that, besides a bit of insight by RYP to his business philosophy :thumbup: ; this has just mindless been a mindless pissing match.

Besides... the cutout in question is pot lifter anyway. ;)
 
I really don't know why it happens, but my guess is brute force has something to do with this. It might be that it starts rotating by catching on the pants, but its hard to really see what is happening if you know what I mean.

I guess its Jibba-Jabba answer. sorry :)
 
Tomso said:
I was involved with hest folder from the get go, did technical stuff, cad etc, and did all the renders. I was able to visit LionSteel factory in October, Gianni showed me the factory. That was cool.
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Well, I'd say you have done a great job from what I have seen. I bet it was cool to get the factory tour also. :thumbup:

Thank for your input here and explanation of how the Roto-Block actually works. I think that is what most of us were curious about anyway.

I could care less about anything but thumb opening & the 'pot lifter feature' personally, but I am/was curious about the Roto-Block.

Thanks............ :thumbup:
 
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