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There's rules about being satisfied with your purchase in most places, some even say they'll charge you a restocking fee on returned items and other such nonsense. But, you won't get a refund for non-delivery when the tracking numbers show it's been delivered. That is the standard way most companies ship almost everything today, just 1st class or priority, with the standard tracking to cover their butts. No insurance they figure it's collectively not worth it when they ship a lot out. The rare cases when something isn't scanned delivered they just send a new one out. Self insuring with the money they save by not buying insurance. After you open it, inspect it you can usually return it if you aren't happy, even though some will make you pay a fee to do so.
So I ship a 500.00 knife. I pay for insurance, signature confirmation and require payment from PayPal. Buyer claims he never received knife and scribble on signature paper is not his. Is seller still responsible I don't think so..Paypal will not issue refund to buyer under this example. Post office will not pay insurance either.
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Paypal and the post office isn't going to pay for a 50 dollar knife, with standard tracking that was scanned delivered either and I don't care what anyone here says, it ain't gonna happen.
You are correct, and I agree 100%... When the post office makes you sign, it requires both printed and signed signatures. In this case Bladeforums would still likely side with the buyer, I 'm not sure. It doesn't pay to sell here unless you're willing to take a loss, and that's what it seems like to me. I'm pretty much done selling anything here, as a matter of fact I do not even come to this site very often anymore due to this type of thinking.
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Thats a shame. I see you just hit your 1 mark anniversary taboot. Look, from experience, you are only doing yourself an injustice. Ive had as many deals with people on this site as anyone. Great community overall period :thumbup: A little uncommon sense goes a looong way regardless of where you choose to deal in life.
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But this IS a Blade Forum issue according to the OP. And if the entire trading world operated on this simple principle it would be a better place
You are assuming that the entire trading world is honest, which it is not. That's why we pay for services such as delivery conformation. To keep everyone honest as possible.
Agreed, I've gotten a lot of knives that I've tracked and they require a Sig and say delivered, So I freak out, call the P.O. for them to tell me Yea it was delivered, followed by me raising hell about how it had Sig Confirmation and I nor my wife ever signed for it, So I will check the mail box and my Sun room and front porch and they will just leave my packages in my sun room (not cool as that is a room in my house, that they don't belong in period ), but It's happened a lot.
As for Wali I've had a few transactions with him on this forum as well as others, and He's a stand up guy, Let me rephrase that as I don't know him, but I've never had a problem with him all transactions were flawless, Hopefully all turns out well. I can say I have had the same problem with the P.O as well many of my knives or packages were marked delivered, and they were to my freaking neighbor. Or some they could only track to my zipcode and they were marked delivered. Hope this gets worked out for all. Op I am not taking sides but this happened before July or around July why not take action then???
Yeah, this is a tough one. I don't sell much less than $200, so I'm not really sure how I would ship a $50 knife.
Delivery Confirmation just doesn't seem to mean much as I've had several packages show as delivered the day before I get them. I know others in other parts of the country that has told me the same.
I don't know why they do it, but it seems at times they will mark it as delivered once its at your local PO.
Knowing that, I think I might put Signature Confirmation even on a $50 item. SC has went up to something like $2.50, so I may just take a chance and not use it for a $50 item. I guess I'll decide when/if that occasion occurs.
Delivery Confirmation just doesn't seem to mean much as I've had several packages show as delivered the day before I get them. I know others in other parts of the country that has told me the same.
I don't know why they do it, but it seems at times they will mark it as delivered once its at your local PO.
Knowing that, I think I might put Signature Confirmation even on a $50 item. SC has went up to something like $2.50, so I may just take a chance and not use it for a $50 item. I guess I'll decide when/if that occasion occurs.
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You aren't everybody that comes through here buying knives either. When I place a knife up for sale I don't know anything about many of the people that want to buy it. I've been burned on trades enough here by members with great feedback to know, people here just as anywhere else will try to get by at times. There's a few here I've dealt with I wouldn't again.
I think the issue has now become a BF issue as stated before. PayPal /USPS will not side with Buyer if there is Del. Confirmation under a certain amount, and signature confirmation above that amount. It think the position of BF might be a problem, as any buyer can simply say " I never got item" no matter what the proof, how does that work?
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Apparently B/F places a much higher standard of trust on the buyers word, than other places do. I don't agree with it, but if I don't- I don't have to sell/trade here.
Paypal sided with me when I got burned on a deal, the seller had DC confirmation , The USPS could only track the package to my zipcode , I provided the right info and Paypal sided with me on the matter, Bladeforums is only a facilitator for us all to buy/sell/ and trade, and IMO they have no responsibility/obligation to anyone if someone gets ripped off, the only thing they could do would be shut the exchange down and IMO that would be horrible.
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Tracked to your zip code and not scanned delivered to you is an entirely different matter. All B/F can do is ban someone that they deem is not following selling/trading rules. They certainly can't go after the party and hold them liable.
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Well said
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