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OT to the topic at hand - Registered mail is trackable in the foreign country if and only if the destination has a Registered mail (or equivalent) service. I routinely ship to India, and typically get end-to-end tracking since India has a Registered Mail system similar to the US. Once the item leaves the US, the India postal tracking systems are updated till it is delivered.
Now to the original post - I would have taken the buyer's word about non-delivery and refunded him the price (my sales threads generally read I will be responsible till the item is delivered). So far I haven't had to refund ever, and all items have been delivered. Even for international I was prepared to refund. But that's a risk you run while using a third party delivery system. The most reliable way is to deliver the item yourself, and not depend on USPS/UPS/FedEx. Do I risk losing money over dishonest buyers? Yes, sure I do. However, I am yet to come across such a low-life on bf (not that there aren't any). Probably gathers me a bit more good karma, and less things to worry about.
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As I said, a question of fact, not duty and not "law." The finder of fact, be it judge or jury, would decide whether the seller had performed.
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Yes, I can.
Can you?
UCC 2-509 has been enacted in all states. As I understand it, this is a case where it was understood that the seller was to deliver the goods to a given address - the buyer's address. Therefore, this language applies:
The clear negative implication is that is the goods are not tendered to the buyer, the risk of loss in transit remains with the seller who selected the carrier and who can insure against loss.
The fact at issue is whether the carrier tendered the goods to the buyer or, as the buyer here contends, did not.
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The Delivery Conformation is good enough, proof that the seller did deliver the goods to the seller in the eyes of the law. What some here are arguing doesn't even say anything about that, just that the seller has to deliver the goods and with the postal service's proof it is considered delivered. If it's stolen out of a mailbox, or off a doorstep that is breaking a law and has nothing to do with delivery, or the seller.
I put Signiture Confirmation on everything unless its over $200 and has to be signed for anyway.
If they sign for it you know they got it. If not you know they didn't.
Delivery Confirmation means little to me no matter what USPS says. I've had several show as delivered the night or morning before I got the package. It happens to others as well. People have started threads here before about how they thought their knife was lost because it showed up as delivered when they hadn't gotten it yet. I, and others have told them this happens at times and the knife will probably show the next day, and it usually does, but not always.
If they sign for it you know they got it. If not you know they didn't.
Delivery Confirmation means little to me no matter what USPS says. I've had several show as delivered the night or morning before I got the package. It happens to others as well. People have started threads here before about how they thought their knife was lost because it showed up as delivered when they hadn't gotten it yet. I, and others have told them this happens at times and the knife will probably show the next day, and it usually does, but not always.
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The last couple I had that where insured for well over $200 where just left at the door or mailbox, no signature. Not sure if they have a new policy or the mail person signed for it, but just be careful and not assume that if it is over $200 it has to be signed for.
Exactly! Seller and chosen delivery service have done their parts. If I sell something and it's marked delivered, the buyer claims they didn't receive it and the USPS won't pay we're done end of story.
Had this happen more than once myself.
Had this happen more than once myself.
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I've had my local guy scan something as delivered well before it actually gets left at my door or in my mailbox. Half the time it hasn't even left the post office when they scan it delivered. Being scanned as delivered doesn't mean it actually got delivered. It just means that the mailman entered it in as such.
Claims for insurance are on the seller, as the purchaser of the service. It's the seller's responsibility to call the post office and find out where the heck the package went. Did the seller provide tracking? If not, the buyer has no way of following up on the package, nor of verifying seller's claim that it was delivered. Refusing to respond for months is shady. Personally, I ALWAYS buy insurance for my customers, and I always send them tracking. Until the blades are in their possession, it's still on me, both legally and morally. If I had gotten a communication from a customer saying that a package marked as delivered hadn't actually been, I would have been on the phone with their local post office tracking down the driver immediately. The main issue is on USPS, but that doesn't mean the seller is off the hook for total lack of effort or communication.
Claims for insurance are on the seller, as the purchaser of the service. It's the seller's responsibility to call the post office and find out where the heck the package went. Did the seller provide tracking? If not, the buyer has no way of following up on the package, nor of verifying seller's claim that it was delivered. Refusing to respond for months is shady. Personally, I ALWAYS buy insurance for my customers, and I always send them tracking. Until the blades are in their possession, it's still on me, both legally and morally. If I had gotten a communication from a customer saying that a package marked as delivered hadn't actually been, I would have been on the phone with their local post office tracking down the driver immediately. The main issue is on USPS, but that doesn't mean the seller is off the hook for total lack of effort or communication.
The problem is without a signature there is no way to prove that it was delivered to the correct address or at all.The courier can make an error or in some cases scan it delivered and keep the parcel if they are dishonest. I have had my packages scanned delivered and due to the honesty of an individual miles away brought it to me. Scanned delivered ddoesn't mean squat. If I pay for something and I don't get the item I don't care what the tracking claims I'm not going to absorb the cost. If the seller doesn't feel responsible it certainly isn't my responsibility to make sure I get the item. The fight is between the seller and courier.
I've never had that happen, but If I pay for insurance that requires a signature USPS will have to show me if it was signed for if the buyer told me it didn't arrive. If not signed for they would have to cover it since they didn't get it signed for and the buyer didn't get the package.
DC means little. SC means a lot.
Very interesting regarding DC. My friend ordered a knife from KSF. It was over $500.00 it was shipped USPS with dc only. He never got it. KSF told him to pound sand he filed a claim with credit card company and lost! Sooo be careful most credit card companies except Delivery Confirmation as proof of delivery. I see both sides of this. As USPS is not really that dependable . As I buyer I have no recourse if I did not get item. I think a previous poster said we should hand deliver each item lol
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No. I am saying it is a question of fact as to whether the buyer was tendered the goods by the USPS. Will the buyer prevail in an action at law? Who knows? What is the jurors' / judge's experience with the reliability of the USPS? Is the buyer a really great witness?
If I were a juror, I would recall the three occasions when "signature on delivery" items were delivered to my neighbor. Or I would recall the item delivered to me according to the USPS but also, according to USPS, still in New York City. (It arrived six days after "delivery.") And I might recall the local TV report this month about the Mail Carrier who was dumping great piles of mail, including Certified and Insured, in an abandoned house.
Yes. Proof - AKA "evidence." Not a conclusive presumption. The finder of fact may decide to the contrary.
Perhaps so considered by USPS but not by a court.
It is a more interesting question if it is stolen out of a mailbox. That must have some up. There are cases where the gods were stolen off the buyer's loading dock, but other facts (like time of day delivered) were involved.
If the OP's knife was stolen off the USPS truck, that is theft from the U.S. Mails , it was not tendered to the buyer, and, absent agreement otherwise, the seller bears the risk of loss.
Your honorable intent aside, when you buy insurance from USPS you, as the mailing party, are the sole insured. The buyer cannot make a claim, having no rights to the insurance proceeds.
It may end the story for you.
But why so? As you note,
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For those concerned, and there seems to be a couple.
I contacted seller after two weeks of no package. This is the point I messaged him and he got back with me prompt. NOT saying Wali is dishonest. Now, I went to the PO that following week, they told me to get lost. Contacted seller again, he insisted I try all avenues of collecting the parcel once more, and again, and again. Which I did with PMs starting 4/19, 5/07, 5/22, 6/12. Requested we share the loss in the last two messages, no go. Then 7/05 sent one with the link in the OP, no response, then 10/27, no response, then created this thread, no response.
If I wanted to simply screw the seller over, I would file a PP claim immediately. It's been done to me before. I could have also resorted to accusations as some of you have, or even name calling. Not my style.
Am I wrong for referring to the rules and trying to settle my transaction personally before running the the GBU? Some of you guys seem to think so.
I'm not the type to GBU a member right away nor the type that files PP claims without the go ahead. Now PP claims and PO tracking options are gone, and I am seemingly screwed for my purchase price. And a seller cannot be "stand up" till he stands up after an issue like this.
I do still request a full-refund.
I contacted seller after two weeks of no package. This is the point I messaged him and he got back with me prompt. NOT saying Wali is dishonest. Now, I went to the PO that following week, they told me to get lost. Contacted seller again, he insisted I try all avenues of collecting the parcel once more, and again, and again. Which I did with PMs starting 4/19, 5/07, 5/22, 6/12. Requested we share the loss in the last two messages, no go. Then 7/05 sent one with the link in the OP, no response, then 10/27, no response, then created this thread, no response.
If I wanted to simply screw the seller over, I would file a PP claim immediately. It's been done to me before. I could have also resorted to accusations as some of you have, or even name calling. Not my style.
Am I wrong for referring to the rules and trying to settle my transaction personally before running the the GBU? Some of you guys seem to think so.
I'm not the type to GBU a member right away nor the type that files PP claims without the go ahead. Now PP claims and PO tracking options are gone, and I am seemingly screwed for my purchase price. And a seller cannot be "stand up" till he stands up after an issue like this.
I do still request a full-refund.
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That was sort of the point I was making there... Did you read the previous 5 sentences, or the ones that followed the one you quoted?
I think OP would be, at this point, well within his rights to file a claim or a chargeback.
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