New Knife Co. on the Block " Kizer Knives" coming soon

I don't get it..

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blademaker2, you mentioned that you had US Customs/Homeland Security coming by the show to check out Kizer. Did they confiscate any illegal knives or shut down the Kizer booth. Did they take any action there?
 
I still don't see any resolution to the he said/she said dispute about the Tango/12-401 design origin. Who copied who? The only reason I'm somewhat interested in this issue is because I noticed the Tango on the market recently and really liked the design. Neither side seems to have shown completely angelic behavior in the past with Tim's knife-kits issues and Kizer's sales tax and blade marking lapses. I'll go to the wall if there is clear-cut theft of intellectual property (i.e. I'll never, ever buy anything by Microtech), but I can't see that a clear case has been proved either way on this issue. I guess that "wait and see" is the best approach here for my $$.
 
Hi, GIRLYmann:

Regarding the original line up, they are all what would be considered "in-house" designs. These designs were more to show the mfr capabilities. We put out a call seeking designers and received very positive responses at BLADE show. We are currently working to revamp our line up with custom collaborations and hope to have those available soon.
 
Hi, Relayer:

Your question was for Tim, but I'll answer from the perspective of Kizer rep since I was at the SHOT and BLADE show.

1) We were not approached by anyone who identified themselves as relating to any governmental agency.

2) Kizer booth was open and operating for the entire duration of the show with no interruptions

3) No knives were taken from us by force (ie. confiscation).
 
interesting experience.....showed me a lot re where BLADE show management stands. US Customs/Homeland Security was prepared to intercept the shipment of knives at a Chicago port of entry. Seems that company changed their travel plans and never came thru Chicago. BLADE show management was contacted and they literally won't get involved......they even offered Toubitou which is the parent company a better booth location next year.....even though they were selling illegal goods. US Customs never contacted me at the show and they must have had "bigger fish to fry" elsewhere. Check out Toubitou on the internet....check out the posts on this forum from folks who stopped by their booth....even some photos. MY TANGO was in good company.....designs by Strider and Hinderer were just a few. While you're at it, check out WWW.ALIBABBAEXPRESS.COM (maybe 1 too many B's ?). It's an Asian ebay likewebsite FILLED with ripoffs.....guess who is there selling OUR designs without credit ? You guessed it, KIZER/Toubitou. By the way KIZER is the maiden name of the mother of someone who used to work for Toubitou. Look for them to change names sometime soon...... I'm making 2 new designs/tactical. Both are exciting to me....I'll share ASAP. no more time or energy to argue over who made what.....Im beginning to feel like I've been asked if I'm still beating my wife.......NO WIN....so I'm outta here. Let my work speak for itself.
 
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Hi, GIRLYmann:

Regarding the original line up, they are all what would be considered "in-house" designs. These designs were more to show the mfr capabilities. We put out a call seeking designers and received very positive responses at BLADE show. We are currently working to revamp our line up with custom collaborations and hope to have those available soon.
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well, it's a tough business to be in.
and it certainly will be a balancing act to try and please everyone.
my regards to the owner
and my advise would be
to proud of his cultural heritage
and seriously look-up, train and increase the pool of existing chinese knife designers
well before going in to manufacturing.
the world's market is large enough for everyone
let's forego costly and needless complications.
in the end talent must be recognized and justly rewarded.
that's why consumers are willing to pay insane amounts
for a well designed product, in the first place.
 
blademaker2 said:
no more time or energy to argue over who made what.....Im beginning to feel like I've been asked if I'm still beating my wife.......NO WIN....so I'm outta here. Let my work speak for itself.
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Seems like a very strange attitude for you to be taking...You are the one who made the accusations against Kizer in the first place, but so far you haven't made any attempt to back them up with any evidence whatsoever (for two threads in a row now), made a bunch of claims about various government agencies going after this company, and then never bothered addressing any of the counterpoints or questions posed to you.

...and now you're getting ticked off, why? Because people are asking questions?

It sounds like you're expecting everyone to treat Kizer like they're guilty until they can prove themselves innocent, just on your say-so. This might be as clear cut as Kizer knocking off your knives...but why would anyone believe that without any kind of evidence to prove it, or even a half-decent supporting argument?
 
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Tim:

I will respond to your accusations here since they are being put out on the forum.

1) Kizer's company name:
The root of the name is "Caesar", which in Latin is pronounced "Kai-sar", hence the german word "Kaiser" for "king, emperor". We used the same sound but changed the spelling to "Kizer". It certainly is a real last name as we found out at Blade show when quite a few folks showed up with that name and we gave away some of our pouches with "Kizer" embroidery as a souvenir.

2) Travel plans:
No changes were made in travel routes. Only change made was the attendee line-up as one employee could not make the show as his legs were broken in a car accident and was still recovering.

3) Original Design:
Let's keep in mind that this thread started as a review thread for Kizer products, let's keep all discussions relevant to Kizer please (Kizer is not Alibaba nor aliexpress). Whether other companies copy designs has no relevance on Kizer's conduct.

I will make the same statement as on the other thread. Kizer does not use designs without permission from the original designer.
 
Hi, GIRLYmann:

We completely agree with you on respecting our cultural heritage and training local artists in what makes a good knife design. However, that is the long term goal. In the short term, our solution to this situation is to work with designers to provide a product line up that thrives on variety and quality while we work towards the long term goal. We were very pleased with the Blade show where we had a chance to see some very interesting designs and spoke with quite a few designers who expressed interest in a partnership. We hope to get those designs into production and on the market soon!
 
variety is the spice of life.
all the best then!
the world will always welcome affordable, delicious, superb great quality knives.
 
Wow just read both threads - not condoning counterfeiting and being neither American or Chinese biased, the US Maker Tim? appears full of hot air and no substance. He never denies having an arrangement with Kizar, but I assume at some stage believes to have been exclusively licenced for this model in the US. Kizar in turn explains a commercial arrangement normally left behind the scenes. I have never heard of border agencies giving a hoot to copyright issues ever, certainly not storming into a blade show for a what misdemenour at best and an explain? and i understand sample and prototype items (non commercial) do not always require country of origin markings. Even then, often the markings can be on boxes or packages in many cases, or a removable sticker etc etc.

Anyhow I heard about these as many models are now appearing for sale through US wholesalers latest catalog, including the KI401B so I guess we will see how people vote with their money..
 
Kizer Cutlery said:
3) Original Design:
Let's keep in mind that this thread started as a review thread for Kizer products, let's keep all discussions relevant to Kizer please (Kizer is not Alibaba nor aliexpress). Whether other companies copy designs has no relevance on Kizer's conduct.
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Since you are not a mod, and we are not in a Kizer-dedicated forum, I believe which way this thread goes is not yours to decide. :thumbup:
 
Knives are silly expensive for being made in China. Where's the value proposition that comes with Chinese knives when they are priced the same as the major US makers with similar materials.
 
" PMScurvy092
Knives are silly expensive for being made in China. Where's the value proposition that comes with Chinese knives when they are priced the same as the major US makers with similar materials."/I] 6AL-4V titanium framelock with S35VN blade for under $120. How many other USA produced knives are making their products out of the materials listed above for the same price? If you know of one please do share so myself and everyone else here can hurry and buy up all available inventory.:rolleyes:
 
6AL-4V titanium framelock with S35VN blade for under $120. How many other USA produced knives are making their products out of the materials listed above for the same price?
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Unknown source, unable to provide proof of materials, by workers who make pennies an hour, and all I have to tell you is this new knife is s35vnwhatever and you'd buy it? Nice, send me a pm, I'm low on cash :foot:
 
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