New ZT0562CF Won't Flip

[Landshark99]

I am so tired of the constant self-righteous complaints about one brand or another. Or how clever one is because they know the “true value” of one brand over another. How one would never spend that much for a knife or whatever else, and how they used to own some brand but would never own one again, I do not care. If you like the brand buy it, if not don’t. Knife collecting is like anything else we all have opinions, some worth hearing many not so much.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

Thorburns CAN flip like a rocket, so could my velox but the first time someone picks it up, they'll probably pull back on the flipper and it'll come out halfway. Then they'll try it a few more times until they get it.

Completely disagree... Everyone who I have showed my Thorburn knives to, have been able to flip them like they were knife pros. The way he balances the detent, lockbar, and flipper tab axis is not something you seen on many knives. Thorburns do flip like a rocket.

Even in that picture you had to push the lock bar over. Ive worked three of those babies. All low and high serial #s. The factory bend will max out at 60% unless you push it the rest of the way in. Sooo.
Yes, sadly you can easily force the lock bar over that way easily but they just do not ship that way. If for some reason spec was off that much, instead the blade would just flop back and forth with the lock bar looking to be in the middle of the blade tang.

To note, my favorite ZT was the 0200 and the 0561 when they had no steel insert. It was much tougher IMO.
The only thing that can replace the TI IMO is the ceramic call that I have been trying on my 25. Huge difference. And its a ball. Geometry is now based only on the blade. Which is a good thing.

I did push the lockbar over, but it didn't require a lot of pressure. Like I said previously, the lock stick is ridiculous under normal use. Imo, a well designed lock should be able to withstand pretty reasonable amounts of pressure without sticking or late lockup. CRK comes to mind for a well-designed lock, and so does Carson.

Framelocks expose the locking mechanism, and if they can't withstand external forces, that is a flaw imo.

 

[BellaBlades]

That is why I carry a you know what.

As far as Thornburn. I met him a ECCKS last year and he was a delight and so were his fantastic flippers. They are the best.

But G buddy, take it easy on ZT. They are not that bad. They are still the hottest thing going from what I can see.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

Yep, I love the ceramic detent/lock, and the 21's carbidized lockface is unmatched by most makers. If ZT made locks like CRK, I'd be able to look past an overly strong detent. But for my use, ZT falls short mainly due to (very) bad lock geometry.

It's no lie that ZT makes cool designs, nobody can put a Hinderer, RJM, Rexford, Sinkevich design in your hand besides them. But those small details are a deal breaker. I guess a lot of people haven't tried pushing on their locks. That is the first test I check for a Framelock, since that is what the lock will be enduring.

 

[RIPtastic]

I dont understand spending $500 bills on a "limited" production knife. With knives like CRK, Hinderer, and even Strider theres no reason for me to buy those ZT's. I would rather own the real deal Hinderer Eklipse than the 0392 especially being cheaper.

 

[nwmetalbug]

I dont understand spending $500 bills on a "limited" production knife. With knives like CRK, Hinderer, and even Strider theres no reason for me to buy those ZT's. I would rather own the real deal Hinderer Eklipse than the 0392 especially being cheaper.

Blade steel, blade shape, full Ti handle.bearing pivot all come to mind

 

[presz]

Horsepower? Lol...

Some people work with their hands for a living, and a strong detent is very slippery with wet/muddy/greasy/etc. hands. Maybe a strong detent is fine if you push papers or something, maybe cut boxes all day, but for down right work, a strong detent sucks in many ways...

Pair that with a lock that needs 2 hands to close, and it an unusable knife... That's exactly why mine sit in a drawer and are just "fun to play with"...

To each their own.....you can't just leave it at that. No paper pushing here either. I'm a Bricklayer by the way.

And just a heads up you won't need two hands to close them if you don't see just how far over you can push the lock bar. No way you just flipped either of those open and then shot the photo. Lots of knives the lock bar can be forced to over travel.

Once again if there is a knife that I don't like i just don't buy them any more......no bad mouthing them in every thread that is posted.

Blues doesn't like ZTs....................we all get it. Hates might be a better word.

I'm not overly fond of most Benchmades, I've moved on.

I like what I like and buy what I like. What I don't like I sell and move on......no chance someone else will do the same.

 

[bodog]

To each their own.....you can't just leave it at that. No paper pushing here either. I'm a Bricklayer by the way.

And just a heads up you won't need two hands to close them if you don't see just how far over you can push the lock bar. No way you just flipped either of those open and then shot the photo. Lots of knives the lock bar can be forced to over travel.

Once again if there is a knife that I don't like i just don't buy them any more......no bad mouthing them in every thread that is posted.

Blues doesn't like ZTs....................we all get it. Hates might be a better word.

I'm not overly fond of most Benchmades, I've moved on.

I like what I like and buy what I like. What I don't like I sell and move on......no chance someone else will do the same.

Benchmade has a subforum where most of the talks about their knives happen and the outright love and jealousy concerning benchmade fans don't really spill out of their forum.

 

[asdf12345]

To each their own.....you can't just leave it at that. No paper pushing here either. I'm a Bricklayer by the way.

And just a heads up you won't need two hands to close them if you don't see just how far over you can push the lock bar. No way you just flipped either of those open and then shot the photo. Lots of knives the lock bar can be forced to over travel.

Once again if there is a knife that I don't like i just don't buy them any more......no bad mouthing them in every thread that is posted.

Blues doesn't like ZTs....................we all get it. Hates might be a better word.

I'm not overly fond of most Benchmades, I've moved on.

I like what I like and buy what I like. What I don't like I sell and move on......no chance someone else will do the same.

I wasn't able to push the lockbar farther over on my Sebenza, on my Benchmade & Emerson liner locks, or on my Microtech liner & framelocks. For a mechanism on the whole to have so much flex and slip that it can be pushed over to the other scale is neither normal nor desirable.

 

[poolhustler]

Some people buy a knife and love and use it.

Some people buy a knife, don't like it and just sell it off to try something else.

Some people buy a knife that happens to have a defect, they just send it in and have it fixed.

Some people buy a knife that has a defect, don't send it in but just bitch and complain about it.

Some people have unrealistic expectations and just troll and bash relentlessly.

Some people have a life, some don't.

...........to each their own.

 

[GronK]

Benchmade has a subforum where most of the talks about their knives happen and the outright love and jealousy concerning benchmade fans doesn't really spill out of their forum.

Kai packed up their toys and went to another arena where "never is heard a discouraging word." Nothing but positive talk there so why load up our general forum with their fawning love of everything ZT?

 

[trevitrace]

I'm not a weak man, I actually shoot quite a bit so I know my trigger finger should easily be up to the task of flipping a knife open.

I have absolutely no dog in this fight, but found this curious and had to ask. Just for example, I've got a 700 adjusted to 3lbs, an Winchester .22 pert near that, and a 1911 that came as and breaks just under 5lbs...

You're claiming pulling a trigger is a strength-building exercise?

 

[asdf12345]

Some people buy a knife and love and use it.

Some people have a knife with an issue serious enough that the knife is difficult or uncomfortable to use, like a detent so strong the knife will not open with one hand.

Some people buy a knife, don't like it and just sell it off to try something else.

Some people are frustrated that they are now unable to resell the knife to an individual because of said issue.

Some people buy a knife that happens to have a defect, they just send it in and have it fixed.

Some people would rather not have to ship brand new knives on their dime and wait for weeks for warranty service that has been described as spotty.

Some people buy a knife that has a defect, don't send it in but just bitch and complain about it.

Some people have high expectations for a knife they paid $240 and waited 10 months for.

Some people have unrealistic expectations and just troll and bash relentlessly.

Some people order a knife, wait 10 months for it to arrive, and then are disappointed when it has an issue that should have been caught by QC in the first place and will now require further wasting of time and money to fix.

 

[bodog]

I have absolutely no dog in this fight, but found this curious. Just for example, I've got a 700 adjusted to 3lbs, an Winchester .22 pert near that, and a 1911 that came as and breaks just under 5lbs...

You're claiming pulling a trigger is a strength-building exercise?

I normally shoot a pistol with an 8-10 pound trigger pull. I dry fire on a pistol with 12 pound trigger to get used to the heavier springs. A knife shouldn't take more than 12 pounds of pressure to open. I don't know how much they required because I honestly couldn't flip it with one finger. I kind of felt like a puss. I thought it was just me but a dude came up right behind me and he had the same problem with the same knives.

 

[poolhustler]

Some people have a knife with an issue serious enough that the knife is difficult or uncomfortable to use, like a detent so strong the knife will not open with one hand.



Some people are frustrated that they are now unable to resell the knife to an individual because of said issue.



Some people would rather not have to ship brand new knives on their dime and wait for weeks for warranty service that has been described as spotty.



Some people have high expectations for a knife they paid $240 and waited 10 months for.



Some people order a knife, wait 10 months for it to arrive, and then are disappointed when it has an issue that should have been caught by QC in the first place and will now require further wasting of time and money to fix.

..............and then there are those that ...............well............you.

 

[asdf12345]

..............and then there are those that ...............well............you.

I'm sure there are others who don't appreciate having their time and money needlessly wasted just so they can earn some extra imaginary brownie points with forum members.

 

[poolhustler]

I'm sure there are others who don't appreciate having their time and money needlessly wasted just so they can earn some extra imaginary brownie points with forum members.

My posting has nothing to do with brownie points, although some brownies do sound good right about now.

You bring up the worst case scenarios and other peoples opinion and extort them as fact that ZT has major issues.

This is just ridiculous. Any manufacturer who puts out as many knives as KAI/ZT does will have bad knives slip through the cracks.

And you expect every single knife to be absolutely perfect. Its simple really, its just a knife. If it has an issue send it for repair.

If you don't like it sell it. Waiting 10 months for a knife, blah blah blah........ If it isn't right, send it back and have it fixed.

Its not rocket science. Its just a knife. You make it sound like its the end of the world and ZT should shut down.

Ridiculous really........

 

[GronK]

I'm suffering from deja vu all over again. There have been about a hundred threads about another company which read almost exactly like this one. Is it a coincidence that company also left our neighborhood and went "where never is heard a discouraging word"?

 

[poolhustler]

I'm suffering from deja vu all over again. There have been about a hundred threads about another company which read almost exactly like this one. Is it a coincidence that company also left our neighborhood and went "where never is heard a discouraging word"?

So true........

 

[asdf12345]

My posting has nothing to do with brownie points, although some brownies do sound good right about now.

You bring up the worst case scenarios and other peoples opinion and extort them as fact that ZT has major issues.

This is just ridiculous. Any manufacturer who puts out as many knives as KAI/ZT does will have bad knives slip through the cracks.

And you expect every single knife to be absolutely perfect. Its simple really, its just a knife. If it has an issue send it for repair.

If you don't like it sell it. Waiting 10 months for a knife, blah blah blah........ If it isn't right, send it back and have it fixed.

Its not rocket science. Its just a knife. You make it sound like its the end of the world and ZT should shut down.

Ridiculous really........

No. In fact I always mention that most knives from any successful company will be problem free. Otherwise they would be quite literally out of business.

Yes, when you buy a ZT chances are you will get a great knife with no issues. However, it does seem that a higher proportion of ZTs knives have issues that go beyond the cosmetic. It is a combination of manufacturing processes and improper QC that cause knives with functional problems to be sold. Lack of care & attention in either or both can result in a higher proportion of a particular company's knives having these problems.

"If you don't like it, sell it" and "just send it back" are tiresome excuses. I'm buying a product because I want that product. If that product comes with a defect and I am forced to sell it, then I have to mark it down due to the defect, plus I don't have the knife that I initially paid money for. If I send in the knife for an issue to be repaired (an issue that should have been caught by QC in the first place), I assume the shipping risk and fees and have to wait weeks for the knife to return.

Neither of those cases are what I would call a positive experience.